Summary

Many Democrats, especially women, expressed disillusionment and frustration online, viewing the result as a reflection of deep-seated misogyny in the U.S.

Harris supporters highlighted anger that a “felony convicted, twice-impeached” Trump prevailed over a female candidate.

Comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss resurfaced, with many attributing Trump’s win to targeted appeals to young men, including appearances with influencers like Joe Rogan.

The election outcome has intensified concerns over growing right-wing radicalization among young men.

  • @grue@lemmy.world
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    5818 days ago

    It’s really beyond time for this sort of disinformation to fuck off.

    Harris lost because she’s a neoliberal, full stop. Scapegoating it as sexism means you learned fucking nothing and will only keep losing.

    • @PolydoreSmith@lemmy.world
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      1318 days ago

      Completely agree, but I’ve been seeing so many similar sentiments on Lemmy since the election. Today I saw someone comment, almost word for word, that there was no problem with Kamala’s campaign - the issue was simply that Americans are too stupid. Someone else on a totally different post commented that this election proves the Dems could run Jesus Christ himself and half the country would still reject him. And those are just two examples. This is one of more unhinged meltdowns I’ve ever seen.

      • @emax_gomax@lemmy.world
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        817 days ago

        I get the anger from dems against those who didn’t vote but honestly that’s more on the democratic party for not putting forward a candidate that earned those votes than anything else. Neither candidate is “entitled” to votes, just because the other candidate is abhorrent. I do think things will get considerably worse now and that’ll hopefully teach those who didn’t vote that yes that can happen and they should vote but the decision not to isn’t on the electorate, it’s the party that felt like they deserved votes they didn’t earn.

        • sepi
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          17 days ago

          Dem party has no obligation to court voters that won’t show up. Dems should not even bother with that segment ever again. This is why Dems were trying to convert more centrist republicans that do know how to show up and vote.

          • @emax_gomax@lemmy.world
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            216 days ago

            That’s stupid. People won’t show up tp vote for a party that doesn’t represent their values and the dems aren’t just entitled to votes because trump is the opponent. You can’t win an election on just “the other guy is worse”. You need policies that galvanise your voter base and actually makes a difference in their lives so they don’t feel voting for either party is a waste of time. Objectively trump is worse but it’s on the dems to convince the voters of that and they failed horribly.

      • @Vent@lemm.ee
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        1618 days ago

        Dems could run Jesus Christ himself and half the country would still reject him

        I mean, that is undeniably true, but we’ve known that for a lot longer than two days.

          • @GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
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            117 days ago

            they are a problem, but terrible people will be terrible and nothing will change that.

            20 million voters figuratively said, “no, fuck you we want nothing to do with this system.” even though they are literally a part of the system.

            it’s like negotiating with a toddler. ˢᵐᵃˡˡ world view with BIG ambitions.

            • @ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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              117 days ago

              Half of the reason government exists is to stop terrible people from being terrible. Religion is supposed to reign in the terrible people too, American Evangelicalism just creates terrible people.

              • @GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
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                217 days ago

                yeah… Government exists to control the society. They say the government is the will of the people, but that’s been a lie historically for many, many, many years.

                Religion is the antithesis of government. Religion is meant to control the will of the people. to direct it and hone it to a fine point.

                Historically, if you look at the impact that religion had on systems of government, you can see that there’s definitely a negative impact where one becomes weaker.

                The point being, both systems of government and religion are tools in which to control the fate of man. The reason why American Evangelicalism creates terrible people is because there are terrible people leading American Evangelicals.

                And the reason why the American system of government supports terrible people is because it was modified to support terrible people. The same terrible people leading American evangelicals.

                If we had any hope in making impactful change, it would have started with education.

                Now, my fear is it’s too late for education. And what comes next will be horrific.

                • @ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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                  217 days ago

                  I think we definitely are in agreement here. My one quibble is I don’t know that religion is the antithesis of government so much as a more primitive form of government. The earliest religions were a form of law enforcement in world without police or judicial systems.

                  If it’s just you and someone else alone in the wilderness, why shouldn’t you just kill them and take their stuff? There are no consequences. Religion adds the consequences. “God will punish you. You’ll burn in Hell/Hades/Tartarus.” Why shouldn’t I steal? “It’s a sin.” Why shouldn’t I sleep with my neighbors wife? “It’s bad karma.” It’s all just laws enforced by a mythological father figure instead of a real guy with a gun.

      • @TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com
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        718 days ago

        Once all the smart, wealthy, moral, and ethical people flee the US that can flee the US do flee the US I’ll finally be able to get a job!

    • 4grams
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      Sure, go ask the average turnip voter if her neoliberal stances were why they voted for the rapist, 34 time convicted felon who cages children, is literally traded on the stock market and has nothing but praise for dictators, in fact who expressed his desire to be one multiple times on the campaign trail.

      You folks are so desperate to not blame the majority of people who chose to either vote for that, or were at least comfortable with him as their leader.

    • @saigot@lemmy.ca
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      317 days ago

      Harris still might, California is only 60% counted with mostly urban places left to count.

      • n1ckn4m3
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        It wouldn’t be much, but I still hope Harris wins the popular vote – even though I think she was a fucking garbage candidate. At least then I can go back to shouting from the highest tower that we should abolish the electoral college – but living in a world where Trump won the popular vote tells me America as a whole isn’t better than this, this is exactly who the majority of Americans are – hateful, scared and short sighted. I was lied to by my parents for my entire life – they told me there were more good people than bad people, but then they got old and they started voting for the very same bad people they taught me how to recognize. What the everloving fuck happened

  • @surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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    1817 days ago

    No, America is not too racist or sexist to elect a woman of color. It’s that they need to be a progressive. It’s a package deal.

    There’s simply not many people who fall into ‘progressive enough to vote for a woman of color, but conservative enough to be anti-immigrant and pro-genocide.’

  • @Snapz@lemmy.world
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    2017 days ago

    It’s not “just” that, but it was the deciding factor that made this all moot from the start.

    The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn’t have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she’s black - That’s all it was ever going to be.

    " I was this close, Bill… I just wanted more policy details… More time… If only they didn’t make me vote for trump".

    • Schadrach
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      317 days ago

      The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn’t have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she’s black - That’s all it was ever going to be.

      " I was this close, Bill… I just wanted more policy details… More time… If only they didn’t make me vote for trump".

      My Trump-supporting mother, mother-in-law, father-in-law, sister-in-law and sister would all cite “abortion is murder” and “criminal illegals” bullshit before Harris’ vagina or skin ever came into it.

      I almost wish the Dems had run Biden despite his terrible debate performance so that people wouldn’t blame the Dems losing on Harris’ vagina and skin color instead of her terrible campaign.

      Trump did about as well as he did in 2020, that Harris lost is because she did worse than Biden did in 2020. Fear of Trump wasn’t as fresh to animate the base and she only really courted moderate republicans and middle class white women in the latter stages of her (short) campaign and that hurt turnout and turnout is the most important thing for Dems.

  • @WoahWoah@lemmy.world
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    1718 days ago

    Much of America hates much more than just women, but women have got to be at or near the top of the list.

  • @spicylemon@lemmy.world
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    1417 days ago

    “Republicans hate women.” Plain and simple. Saw it on a t-shirt and just had to have it. God bless the truth coming out💙

  • @voldage@lemmy.world
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    917 days ago

    While there were many detrimental factors Dems failed to properly address or apparently expected to be treated as positives, the obvious main one was attempting to outflank the GOP from the right. Every attempt to talk negatively about immigration or social issues was bound to result in more people taking Trump seriously instead of thinking Dems will do something. Everything about the illegal immigration rethoric was false, from the numbers to the effects, and Dems knew it - they decided they wanted to pretend this issue exists, so they can also play the right wing populist game. Pro-genocidal rethoric was also something right wing electorate knew Trump would do better, and some people disgusted with that rethoric decided not to vote. Dems wanted to become more right wing, to get that sweet ability to talk complete bullshit about everything and cover their inefficiencies with the mirages of bigotry. They believed their more “reasonable” right wing populist will win instead of wild maniacy like Trump - exactly as they did back in 2016, except this time Kamala had the chance to shape a different image for herself and she refused to do so. They gambled going to get away with moving further right and still getting elected, since Trump should have been very unpopular by all metrics they were capable of imagining. Instead, they gained no votes from the right and lost a fuck ton from the center and the left. Their arrogant and callous campaign sentenced many americans to likely death. They absolutely could have fought with all they had and ceded concessions to their voters instead of donors and “allies” like Israel. They could have went left instead of right, as many of us hoped after the Walz VP pick. Instead they lost, as the worse and less dedicated right wing party of US. They’re to blame for what’s going to happen next, not some abstract impossible to be pointed with finger voters. Yeah, Harris being a black woman in this deeply conservative society was a detriment to her chances. That was outside of her control, unlike everything else she did or didn’t do.

    I’ll be honest, unless most of the Democratic Party gets purged, it’s probably meaningless to vote for them (assuming you even can) in 2028. There couldn’t have been easier victory to be had, and they fucked it up. They should have called Trump a pedophile, but were afraid that their own pedophiles like Clinton would get hit with a shrapnell. They could have promised to tax the ultra rich, like Elon Musk down to the fucking ground, but they wanted their money themselves. They didn’t want to promise anything big, knowing fully well that no one would believe them with their terrible track record of implementing any meaningful and radical chances, while Trump claimed everything was the fault of immigrants and foreign adversaries and promised radical actions against them. Believing that they wont pull the same bullshit in 2028 is naive, they will refuse to learn anything from this catastrophe, move further right and campaign on “returning to the norm”. Fuck them. Let the greedy fucks burn, just as you will because of them. USA needs a third (and fourth, and fifth…) party, and it needs it now instead of in 4 years. Dems should be completely discarded, and I hope the pain you will feel in next 4 years, pain that they could have prevented but chose not to instead, will convince you as well.

    Yeah, I’m done, sorry for the rant. Posts casting blame on voters instead of Dems majorly piss me off right now.

      • @IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
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        Oh no now democrats are using moral purity arguments. What happened to trashing those for the last year?

        Maybe we need to move further right to appeal to all those sexist racist right wingers,. That will do it. No other reason democrats lost.

  • @SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
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    4717 days ago

    Women should just fucking leave their Trump voting husband/boyfriend and should go no contact with their Trump loving fathers, brothers and sons. Seriously if the men don’t stand behind their women why should these women even support their men.

    Go let them wallow in misery. And let them fight over the remaining nut job women who voted for Trump. The Trump male to Trump female ratio doesn’t favor these men in the dating scene.

  • @AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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    1016 days ago

    People always go with the excuse that coincidentally makes them least responsible, unless they win and then it’s 100% all them.