Having elected a fascist autocrat, who already prepared the way by having the supreme court declare him above the law. Living in the country with the most militarized police, a nation with a massive capability to spy on it’s own citizens, citizens who have little critical thinking capability to begin with. A society where social media creates the reality those poorly educated citizens live in, and social media is owned by oligarchs who benefit from a system where pleasing one narcissistic leader gives them power over regulators and increases their wealth more rapidly. I think people are a little optimistic to believe we can’t call the next election today.
Ding ding ding! This is the right answer folks. US citizens will be lucky to get fair elections (if at all) for the foreseeable future. There is no counterweight to what lies ahead, the doors to hell have been opened and no one is coming to save you. If you are in the US, you have the following choices: leave, survive (read: assimilate or hide), or fight.
If you are in the US, you have the following choices: leave, survive (read: assimilate or hide), or fight.
If you’re wealthy and worth a shit you can leave. No country on earth worth moving to will accept my worthless factory worker ass…
I just watched a video about “easiest countries for an American to move to” and was infuriated… I was expecting countries with low standards for acceptance except this is all it was:
1)digital nomad and retirees
2)digital nomad and retirees
3)digital nomad and retirees
4)digital nomad and retirees
5)digital nomad and retirees
…for fucks sake those people already have the world to choose from… Guess I’ll just suffer.
I’m sorry, it mega sucks and unfortunately you can only pick from the other two remaining options. If you’re not part of the targeted minorities or vocally a part of the opposition, here are some tips on assimilation:
- Keep your head down and keep a low profile
- Stay out of any media attention at all costs
- Be VERY careful with who you trust - denunciations are a common tool used by fascist governments to find targets. Avoid pissing off anyone who could throw you to the wolves.
- Button up any communications that could ever be construed as a slight against the ruling party. That means getting off social media, browsing and communicating on the internet completely anonymously, stop using devices and software that can spy on you. Wipe anything that can be interpreted as criticism of the ruling party that can be connected to you.
- Keep any documents with proof of citizenship on you at all times
- Start sounding like you’ve always supported the party and their ideas, or that you’ve suddenly “seen the way” and agree with them now.
- This one is riskier in the long term as fascists eventually start eating one another, but if you can, try to get a low level position in the party. Something inconsequential like cleaning, paperwork, etc.
Essentially, start studying what other people did to survive under similarly oppressive regimes. The change won’t happen overnight, but if this is going the way I think it’s going, your access to options will become increasingly limited so do what you can now to get ready.
Alternatively, wait until it becomes clear that you’re a political target, travel somewhere where you can get refugee status and claim asylum once you’re there. You don’t want to leave this until it’s too late, and it’ll get increasingly harder to do, but there’s no way to tell yet what the trigger could be.
Keep any documents with proof of citizenship on you at all times
US Passport cards are really handy for that. all the identity power of a passport book, but in a card you can keep in your wallet. Anyone who “looks foreign” at all should get one and carry it with you at all times. You shouldn’t have to, but you should anyway.
Nah. I’m just gonna get louder. Might even fly massive Harris flags
The Orange Hitler is on track to take power and you wanna put up a flag to support America’s Chancellor Paul von Hindenburg. XD
I appreciate the advice!
I’ll fight. There’s a line that I draw: if they start deporting legal immigrants I will be a domestic terrorist, just like the GOP
Strange, I can’t find a picture of the banner that said exactly that at cpac. Just like the GOP said, nah I’m just kidding
Hey man, you do what you have to do. Good luck either way!
I think they’re a little optimistic to assume any elections that aren’t Putin style going forward. We are done as We The People. The American Experiment is over.
That feeling in your belly? That need to huddle with your people, in closeness and silence? It’s the waiting room. Because you don’t know what we are going to be yet, but it’s not going to be a democracy and it’s not going to be America.
Wishful thinking is part of how we got here.
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It’s easy to break stuff. Building up the United States of America again? Probably not. Rome has fallen.
Worse, this creates a giant power vacuum globally. We’re already seeing bits of it from his last presidency in Russia and Israel.
We are certainly in a stronger position than woman when they had no right to vote, or black Americans during the civil rights era.
I know this is bad but we can’t be whiny bitches about it and give up the moment the scale tips in their favor.
Freedom is still a strong message that can resonate. Professionalism and sound economic policy too. I suspect they will be even more greatly appreciated by then…
Sure, fake elections are a possibility, but with overwhelming exit polling and local activists doing everything they can to provide accurate vote tallies we can at least make it abundantly clear if 2028 ends up stolen. Illegitimate power leaves MAGA exposed to a broad range of potential challenges.
Or maybe not.
But at least be ready for that moment if it comes and don’t actively discourage others from doing the same. If MAGA can fight this hard for complete bullshit nonsense from some billionaire that openly manipulates them, then we can fight harder for the rights of our children and future generations.
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Big difference between this and 2016 is JD Vance is the adult, not Mike Pence. His ties to Peter Thiel is scary. Also we just had a billionaire buy votes, no way that is going to stop now.
I seriously never thought I would wish we had Mike Pence in a position of influence
Well we can bend over and spread our cheeks or we can at least make it as difficult as possible and maintain whatever last rays of hope that we can. It’s the least we can do if we really are the last real American citizens.
Trump certainly didn’t roll over and apparently that pays off in surprising ways sometimes.
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The trend is that when the economy is bad for the average person, it hurts the incumbent.
I don’t think the people whose votes swung the election in Trump’s favor know how tariffs work or what policies Musk has in mind. They don’t even know why eggs are expensive (bird flu); they just know things were cheaper last time Trump was president.
Of course that’s assuming there’s a free and fair election next time around.
And these goldfish forgot that gas prices were low because of a botched COVID response that way, way reduced demand and rocketed back up because we all got out of lockdown and demand went back to normal, at least that was partly why the prices went up.
Complaining that people don’t know how economics work and that they have the memory of a goldfish is like complaining that knights move weird in chess.
These are the rules of the game we’re trying to win. Whining about how stupid everyone is doesn’t change the fact that we need to get stupid people to vote.
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This is the answer. Corporations were quite giddy over this, in fact.
A bit of that, a bit of ordinary inflation, and a bit of Putin’s war. I find it unlikely the current president had reasonable options to prevent any of that.
And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that.
I really hate that I’m seeing this everywhere. Americans overwhelmingly didn’t vote. Yes, according to math that means they voted for Trump, but why they didn’t bother to vote is a lot more important. Yes, that means they’re responsible for what happens, but if Democrats can’t get people to vote for them how do they expect to win?
Not voting is the same thing as voting for a Republican. The odds are already stacked against any progressive candidate because conservatives are more willing to open their wallets to corporate donors. Non-voters are traitors just the same. They failed to accept their civic duty.
If Democrats can’t point at a fascist and say, “Look, I’m running against a literal fascist. You and I may disagree on some things, but we all know fascists are bad” while Trump aligns himself with other autocrats and fascists, then what is even happening in this world? We failed ourselves on election day. Trump has made himself known. A majority of voters picked him, and they collectively either completely ignored reality for the last decade or decided they’re on board with his vision. The party isn’t to blame, when the alternative was so foul. People chose this, whether through ignorance or malice. Make no mistake, both made an appearance
I already had a trucker come into work saying the Dems have been propping up the economy and it’ll fail for God-Emperor Cheeto. Already making excuses.
Suspending or terminating the Constitution by the federal government is definitely a good reason for secession if I’ve ever seen one. I hope California and other such states are thinking hard about their future here. That would be the last act of the United states.
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Nah bad economy means the incumbent gets kicked out.
Happens every time
Democrats are NOT leftists, they’re center right at best. They ultimately serve corporate interests and NOT the will of the people.
You will never get universal healthcare, police reform, free college, less military spending, and other leftist ideals from the Democrat party because they’re not leftists. Doing these things runs counter to the interests of their corporate masters.
We have a fascist party and a conservative party, but we don’t actually have a liberal party. We haven’t had one since before Clinton.
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We needed Bernie.
We need a labor party.
Democrats are NOT leftists, they’re center right at best.
Americans are NOT leftists, they’re center right at best.
Edit: Also, everyone loves to blame Democrats for turning conservative after Jimmy Carter, but have you looked at the election results from 1980? 1984? 1988?
You run to represent the population you have, not the one you wish for.
Historically, fascist governments are voted in.
They’re never voted out.
This is exactly what has me so horrified. Hitler was stopped as was Mussolini.
There’s no one strong enough to stop America and with our geographic and strategic locations we’re practically invincible. :(
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It was all Russia for some of them. The Hungarians did jack shit and it shows to this day.
It was getting late for libs to start bringing up socialism to diagnose their fascist oligarchy. The USSR collapsed in the way most socialist states have collapsed: at gunpoint, after decades of siege, sabotage and outright insurrectionism sponsored or directly enacted by the US. It’s no accidentt that Vietnam, the DPRK and China have robust security states, you can’t survive the US without them.
Well, I’m hoping we are a little closer to Franco’s Spain, and things just peeter out once Trump dies.
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Ummm…are you forgetting WWII? No one is coming into the country to help us drag them to the Hegue. Of course there will be compromise. The only other scenario is WWIII.
There is also civil war though, or an USSR style dissolution of the union.
Trump gonna die ( kill by it’s masters ) so Vance can get promoted as the perfect puppet to push the US even more into dictatorship using the coup for more violent repression of everyone they dont like
My bet is Trump gets the 25th amendment treatment just after he passes the 2-year mark of his term. That way, the back half of the term won’t start the timer on Vance’s 2-term limit and the fascists can keep Americans sleepwalking for the next 12 years before we collectively wake up and realize we’re in a dictatorship. I hope I’m wrong but I could easily imagine this plan already having been drawn up.
Why would there be term limits?
But they can also be ended with protests. See East Germany.
Yes, but that was more a case of the government collapsing due to Germans fleeing through Hungary and Austria.
Besides, I don’t really want to wait 50 years for the GOP to finally wither away.
40 years and while that was definitely an important part of it, it was mainly half a million people protesting on the streets of every major city.
Just gotta get yourself a foreign sponsor to start sabotaging the US and get the rest of the world to stop selling you food, oil, or consumer goods like the US did to the DDR.
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Mussolini had power for 21 years.
Franco for 36, though he took power by coup not votes.
And Orbán had 18 so far and 2 remaining from this term for a more recent example.
Haven’t seen many people asking, but aren’t an awful lot of votes being counted by ES&S?
Who even says we voted this one in?
You don’t vote fascism away. This is why it was so important for the DNC to listen this time around.
You don’t vote
fascism away. Thisis why itwas so importantfor the DNC to listenthis timearound.Oh no, you accurately assessed fault. DNC sucks but fascism sucks harder. Great job non voters.
People have got to stop believing that “things will just work out.”
No, they won’t.
We aren’t guaranteed anything. I’m sorry after school specials lied to you, but there is no “spirit of goodness” that permeates reality that will make all of this okay.
There are no heroes coming to save us from the fire.
We let the worst happen, and now if we ever want decency again, we are going to have to fight tooth and nail against tyrrany to make it happen. Period.
Don’t waste your time listening to anyone still talking about this situation in terms of candyland simplicity and standard decorum. Not even the shitty status quo will save us, because we blew up the status quo in favor of fascism.
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…and Republicans will certainly crash the economy.
The only question left is whether or not there will be elections in 2026.
There will be elections in 2026. The question is how fair they will be.
Actually, to be quite honest… we’ve been looking at a pretty much inevitable recession in 2025 for about nine months now.
The slight upside is that this will happen in the onset of Trump’s term and likely lead to widespread discontent instead of hitting a Harris administration right out the gate.
For poetic justice this whole cycle of greed-flation into recession seems to have been mostly triggered by Trump royally fucking up his pandemic response on the first place.
It’ll just be blamed on the Harris administration, there will be some type of propping up of the economy to give Trump an upswing and then another event will happen and it’ll be the new reason it’s not trumps fault
“Oh we see Germany gearing up their military, and you know what that means WWII, we have to fund new military programs it or we will all die….the economy is gonna take a hit, but we are patriots America”
It’s funny, economic issues early into a presidential term should almost always logically be blamed on the last guy but for some reason that never fucking happens - the people feeling pain during economic stress always blame the new guy.
None of that will matter if things are still shit when it’s time to vote. Just like with Dems in 2024… we had every reason to blame inflation on COVID and Trump’s horrible response but many people just decide by looking at their grocery bill a couple days before heading to the polls.
All those infrastructure investments Biden made will begin to pay off economically during Trump’s term.
He will be sworn in, do nothing, and declare inflation has been solved. The media and right-wing podcasters will parrot it, and all your relatives will brag, grinning from ear to ear, how smart they were looking past his rudeness anf picking the guy who saved tjem from those crazy prices they saw during the Biden years.
Republican voters turn out for anyone with an R.
Reality doesn’t matter to the cult.
You think there’s going to be another vote?
Another way of saying “Americans have absolutely no spine”
And absolutely no memory. I keep seeing “I was better off four years ago.” Really? We were in the middle of a pandemic that was so badly mismanaged that we suffered a higher death rate than any other developed economy, and caused all the issues Biden has worked four years to untangle.
Around 2/3 of us, yes. The 1/3 who voted red, and the 1/3 who did not vote.
But not all of us.
I don’t know how to tell you this, but the third who voted democrat are at fault for repeatedly letting dems know they’d vote blue no matter who.
Not everyone wants to vote in Mussolini to avoid getting Hitler.
Americans do have a spine. The problem is that too many of them are no longer connected by functioning brains. Those spines are what elected Trump.
Assuming Democrats are still around to campaign expect the same milquetoast, center-right bullshit platform of getting things “back to normal” to kill any kind of enthusiasm from their base. Don’t get me wrong I voted for Harris but I’m getting really tired of voting against having evil men in power over someone I actually like. I want Bernie Sanders, not Margaret Thatcher Lite.
They’ll campaign on abortion and re-legalizing gay/interracial marriage.
Those will require a trifecta of branches, with significant margins in the Senate, which will seem impossible so no one will vote for them because we’ll know they can’t deliver on what is being promised, just like this time around with Kamala and Abortion.
We’re a seesaw government now with both parties captured by corporations. Each party will take turns as the world turns to shit.
That’s how it’s been for basically decades
No, that’s what we were.
They needed to remind people how they had to scramble for toilet paper when Trump was in office. That was on his watch, not Biden’s.
Was Biden’s economy bad? Yeah, but not “buying bootleg toilet paper” bad.
