Honestly call or email the Democratic party offices and voice that you one hundred percent agree with Sanders.

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      Three. Is that a good metric?

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          But even some of his detractors concede that his impact cannot simply be measured in the number of bills passed. Whereas the vast majority of lawmakers have chosen to play the inside game—crafting compromises, extracting concessions, and leaning on leadership—to score legislative victories, Sanders, in the back end of his career, discovered that he could leverage power from the outside, using public spectacle, media ubiquity, and grassroots pressure campaigns to move the legislative debates in ways that he never was able to earlier in his career.

          “He has really accomplished very little legislatively,” said former Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), a consistent Sanders skeptic. “He has accomplished a lot in terms of ideology. And that’s an important role, to be the guy out there speaking.”

          https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-bernie-sanders-really-got-done-in-his-29-years-in-congress/

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            The fact is that in 2026 Bernie will have 20 years in the Senate, and he’ll be 89 when he finishes his term. He also has been very unproductive. But, you’ll still cut him slack, but Biden is too old.

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      Who made a whole chunk of the population realize, they actually want healthcare for all?

      This talking point, as well as a living wage, appeared and stayed relevant because of him. Also student loan forgiveness.

      All Dem candidates have to incorporate those goals now, to be worth considering by the population. The Reps have other talking points, like racism, that cater to their base, so they don’t have to follow this trend.

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        I don’t know where this came from. Healthcare has been an issue since Nixon, and if you want to name a champion of it and minimum wage, without doubt it would be Ted Kennedy who produced many bills on both issues.

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      If you are trying to come for Bernie Sanders as if he doesn’t have a personal history and career steeped in working to help people in this country, you are fucking up.

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          You can ask whatever questions you want. It’s a free country for at least another couple months.

          Acting like it meaningfully dilutes the work he’s done is kind of bullshit though.

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            Therein lies the question. What has he actually done? His job is a Senator, not cultural icon who people fall in love with.

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              And you are free to not love him. I’m neither obligated nor motivated to change your opinion. He’s got a wikipedia page. If you consider none of those things accomplishments that’s your right. It definitely does not boil down to a single metric of “how many bills has he passed” though.

              Even though you are mostly a troll, I won’t block you because your bullshit is interesting from time to time (same reason I haven’t blocked you up to now) but I won’t reply on this topic again. Good day to you.

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                Met Bernie a long time ago. Was just a kid, but he seemed nice. The guy is 83, and there are legions standing in line to give him a pass. It’s hypocritical to renounce Biden as being old but saying it’s ok for Bernie, especially comparing their body of real accomplishments.

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    “do you really think that the Democratic party is going to the mat… and fighting for you?”

    Forget about me, or the working class, the Democratic party doesn’t actually fight for anything.

    2000 election stolen in Florida? Ho hum, oh well… we’ll get 'em next time! (2004 election stolen in Ohio…)

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

    https://www.wired.com/2008/03/the-mysterious/

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-it-guru-dies-in-plane-crash/

    You rightly nominated a Supreme Court Justice but the Senate refuses to give them a hearing? Oh well! Guess we’ll just have to win the 2016 election…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_nomination

    • They couldn’t even prosecute Trump for the crimes he committed. I wonder how many people that stayed home would have shown up for a party that showed it can hold rich criminals accountable. They should have used the 14th when they were discussing it, but decided not to for no known reason.

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        Well, New York prosecuted him, and convicted him, but delayed sentencing until after the election. We’ll see how that works out for them.

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            Federal government isn’t involved in State criminal cases, but you’re right, he could have pushed the two federal cases and maybe raised the question of “Hey, don’t we need to investigate Bedminster too?”

            • The 14th amendment comes to mind but no one choose to enforce it. Colorado courts stated it was a fact that Trump participiated in insurection, why didn’t anyone then enforce the 14th? Theres only one branch of government whos job that is.

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                Supreme court ruled that states couldn’t and by that time, the House was controlled by Republicans.

                I’d argue we need an amendment barring felons from running.

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    So, if I’ve got this right…

    Bernie blames all the Democrats. I’m sure he’s glad he isn’t one today.

    Pelosi blames Biden, and doesn’t respect Bernie.

    Biden will blame someone in his biography, which he’s waiting patiently to start.

    Harris is wondering who to blame, and is probably writing her own book.

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    The Pelosi interview is honestly batshit insane. She doesn’t see the election as a rejection of the party, thinks the Democrats are doing well, Kamala Harris did everything right, Sanders is wrong, and then she made some backhanded comments about how Biden should have dropped out earlier. I know some of that is spin she that she has to say, but it’s still deeply out of touch.

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      Kamala Harris did everything right

      She presented her message of ‘vote for me to keep things the same’ flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don’t want things to stay the same.

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          While that is why will likely happen, most voters aren’t knowledgeable enough to recognize it. They don’t know what tariffs are or how it’ll effect us, for example. They trust the media to tell them the truth, which is horribly misguided.

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          Yeah, if Trump pulls the stuff he said he’d pull (Tariffs and mass deportations), then the supply of goods inside the country will fall drastically, resulting in stronger inflation. Which will then result in consumption of anything nonessential to collapse. This will lead to increasing unemployment.

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        She presented her message of ‘vote for me to keep things the same’ flawlessly. Unfortunately, people who live paycheck to paycheck don’t want things to stay the same.

        Nope. Her plan was “I am going to lower taxes on the middle class and provide additional help n these specific ways”. But she presented that plan in a very flawed way.

        That you were not aware of her actual message is partly your fault and partly her fault.

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            It’s not… I was aware of her 82 page economic plan. How come you weren’t aware of it? It’s your fault that you weren’t aware of her economic plan while people like me were aware of it. If I did you then you could have done it.

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    I frankly think that while Bernie should be right, he’s not. His strategy would have also failed, though I’d rather that have been the attempt.

    Simple fact of the matter is that out of 10 major countries with elections this year, all the incumbents lost. Didn’t matter whether they were left or right or whatever, they lost. Democrats were doomed by being the incumbents at a time when just so many are unhappy with how things currently are, and people are eager to change everything for a shot. Between having the pandemic become endemic everywhere, economies struggling to digest the massive COVID stimulus, supply chains still off due to both recovering from shutdowns and war, and just the overall situation in Ukraine and Gaza, there’s a lot for people to want a change of course, and they don’t know specifically how this all could get fixed.

    Even if they went all-in on more leftist policies, most voters won’t see beyond the ‘D’ and know ‘D’ is what we had today, therefore ‘R’ must be attached to the answer. A critical mass of the electorate either can not or will not critically consider the respective platforms and instead just decide based on ‘keep the same’ or ‘change course’.

    Meanwhile, in political circles, everyone is talking like the specifics and strategies made this huge difference or that huge difference and what it means, when the fact is likely that this result was pretty much a given no matter what.

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      I hadn’t thought about it in those terms, but this makes a lot of sense. Especially in a 2-party system the election is inevitably going to be a vibe check on the status quo as much as it is a specific election focusing on specific candidates and policies. I’d like to look more closely at the margins to get a feel for whether the Republicans could have run a ham sandwich and still been successful as opposed to the specific appeal of Trumpism.

      Not that that changes how rough the next 4 years are going to get for a lot of people.

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    Pelosi’s response kinda proves that the DNC is just the other side of the shit coin running the funhouse arcade game of American democracy

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    Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong as they continually shoot themselves in their collective dick.

    I, for one, will be writing in his name, voting third party or not at all until they give me a genuinely progressive candidate. Until then, fuck them, and fuck this country.

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        Sorry, but losing strategies deserve to lose. Im tired of voting for someone because they’re slightly less bought and paid for.

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          The best reason to vote for Harris was because she was going to raise taxes on billionaires and corporations like Biden did also. Why would you NOT do that?

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        If two partys are not representing my interests at all, the winning strategy is to make my vote about punishing the one that didnt represent my interests when it was in power. This way it will have to adapt to recognize my interests when it needs my vote to get back to power.

        By just always voting whatever party claims to be the less evil for me, all i do is create a race to the bottom of evil, as i make sure that my vote does not need to be fought for.

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      Unfortunately his whole political career has been the democrats telling him he’s wrong

      Nope. Neither Biden nor Harris never once told Bernie he is “wrong”.

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      What is needed is a socialist organization of voters who together have enough voting power to make our break a Democratic representatives career.

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        What is needed is a socialist organization of voters who together have enough voting power to make our break a Democratic representatives career.

        Yes. But it can be any group of voters. Could be a ‘tea party on the left’.

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          Aren’t organization and group synonymous?

          And of course, this is assuming that Trump isn’t going to establish himself as a dictator. Of course, the thing is Trump is too old to be dictator. And the people around him don’t seem to be the most competent, either. So I sort of don’t know what’s going to happen. In any case, I’m glad that I don’t live in the US, thought authoritarianism is advancing globally.

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            If Trump is going to establish himself as a dictator, then this kind of group is even more important. Lots of socialist groups have toppled totalitarian leaders, and when they haven’t, it’s usually because of western countries like the US helping the dictator. Of course, it might have to run underground a bit more, but solidarity between various organizations will be extremely important in the upcoming 4 years.

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          Having the numbers isn’t enough, there needs to be organization. A group of 8% of the electorate that votes in lockstep could affect policy pretty fundamentally, more than any amount of money could.

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    Pelosi is the best example of what’s wrong with Dems. Literally enriched herself off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.

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      Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.

      Bernie is literally quoted in the article saying “Nancy is a friend of mine”.

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        The main thing she’s known for is rampant unabashed insider trading. If that isn’t enriching herself then I don’t know what is.

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        Pelosi is wrong about Sanders. But she did not “enrich herself”.

        Are we playing the “it’s her spouse who is the stock investor” game?

        https://www.newsweek.com/how-nancy-pelosi-net-worth-vastly-increased-while-house-speaker-1762361

        Because if this is how one accumulates wealth, it certainly sounds like it’s “off the pain and suffering of the working class and poor.”

        D.C.-based nonprofit OpenSecrets.org estimated Pelosi’s net worth at $115 million in 2020, a rise of $41 million since 2004 - the first year OpenSecrets began tracking members’ personal finances.

        Paul Pelosi’s company, Financial Leasing Services, has been highly successful in its investments in recent years and those investments have included shares in major firms such as Disney, Amazon and Google.

        The New York Post estimated that the Pelosis had made between $5.6 million and $30.4 million between 2007 and 2020 through capital gains and dividends from investments in five tech companies - Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft - based on public disclosures.

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    Pelosi is Democrat leadership. She is responsible for the supreme court running rampant, kamala, and the war on drugs still being a thing. She deserves to be hung as a traitor to the republic. Furious. We are furious at her. I’m angry at my dog for pissing on the couch. I’m furious at Pelosi.