• Atelopus-zeteki
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        From (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman)

        No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect an initial a posteriori claim from a subsequent falsifying counterexample by then covertly modifying the initial claim.[1][2][3] Rather than admitting error or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, the claim is modified into an a priori claim to definitionally (as opposed to evidentially) exclude the undesirable counterexample.[4] The modification is usually identifiable by the use of non-substantive rhetoric such as “true”, “pure”, “genuine”, “authentic”, or “real”, which can be used to locate when the shift in meaning of the claim occurs.[2]

        Philosophy professor Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an “ad hoc rescue” of a refuted generalization attempt.[1] The following is a simplified rendition of the fallacy:[5]

        Person A: “No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.” Person B: “But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge.” Person A: “But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.”

  • Owl
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    63 days ago

    Chinese ragebait tankie bot spotted

  • fxomt
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    1453 days ago

    Ah yes, the infamously transphobic instance, lemmy.blahaj.zone.

    • @Kichae@lemmy.ca
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      213 days ago

      Well, you see, if you criticize a trans person’s politics, that’s transphobia. Doesn’t matter if their politics are orthogonal to their transness, and it doesn’t matter if you, yourself, are trans.

      Just look at Israel to see how this works.

    • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
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      53 days ago

      Would you say the nazis were socialist because they called themselves “National Socialists”?

      Anyways, pretty much any time I see trans people talk about that instance, they complain about all the transphobes that gather there (probably to be transphobic to trans people) and mods/admins do nothing about. If an instance is full of transphobia, seems pretty fair to call it transphobic instance.

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        No, i wouldn’t. I was saying that lemmy.blahaj.zone is a trans (and lgbtq in general) inclusive instance.

        I must admit, i don’t know much about the userbase, so i’m not immediately doubting that it could have issues, or outright transphobia. I was just pointing out that the user in the image immediately accused the OP and the instance in general of being transphobic, despite the instance literally being for trans/lgbt+ people.

        • @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
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          293 days ago

          It has nothing to do with “transphobia.” It’s just a way to slap a label on someone you disagree with, out of nowhere, to engage a tribal and reality-free way of thinking where they can be the good guy and you can be the bad guy.

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            13 days ago

            deleted by creator

            • @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
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              33 days ago

              I’m aware. I’m saying it’s simply a label for the person who brought it into the conversation in the screenshot, from literally nowhere for literally no reason.

      • @rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works
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        273 days ago

        Is the unopposed transphobia in the room with us right now? I don’t see it in the meme communities I’m subscribed to there.

        • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
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          33 days ago

          I don’t really pay attention to which instance I’m in and don’t really see all the much transphobia in general, but like I also don’t read through the comments on the types of things that would attract transphobia (things like talks about banning trans people from participating in sports, for example - no meme communities). Just pointing out what the argument is of those who have beef with blajahzone.

            • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
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              23 days ago

              Seems like a weird schtick to post primary in trans communities just to make in 1 in 1000 comments a complaint about their own experiences in a specific community. But sure, you get to be the arbiter of who gets to count as real trans people.

          • @ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works
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            So trans people are actually the real transphobes, because real transphobes flock in to trans space to attack trans people… That’s some real sound ass backwards logic you got there, bigot (being trans doesn’t exclude you from lateral bigotry, which is what you are actively participating in).

        • @spujb@lemmy.cafe
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          33 days ago

          have a discussion with person i disagree with ❌

          call them mentally ill ✅

          love this place

          • @pimento64@sopuli.xyz
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            113 days ago

            Choose to keep stupidity to yourself ❌
            Actively choose to say insane shit ✅

            “Why are people calling it crazy to say unhinged shit without prompting”

            • @vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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              23 days ago

              Fun fact you can fit a lighbulb into your mouth but cant get it back out without it breaking.

              Dislocation of the jaw and unhinging doesnt count, the snake people can go back to Reno where they belong.

              I am choosing to say insane nonsequiters for my own amusement.

        • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
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          43 days ago

          I’ve probably only forgotten to take my HRT like a couple times in the last few months. I did accidentally miss my allergy medicine a couple days ago. Never have gotten any medication for ADHD though - my mom was against it when I was a toddler and a doctor tried to prescribe it and I haven’t bothered trying it on my own. Getting a new diagnosis as an adult seems annoying and expensive.

            • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
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              23 days ago

              Was wondering if they’d get more explicit with what they were implying. Probably not after having a couple people point out how its problematic, but they also got a some upvotes from people who might just be upvoting all replies to my comment.

              Still, the ADHD stream-of-conscious posting probably doesn’t help. I’m reminded of the jokes about English classes forcing students to give some explanation of the “meaning” of small details in stories even if the author actually intended no such thing.

      • @spujb@lemmy.cafe
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        if you have damning evidence of blahaj’s unchecked transphobia, i suggest you post that rather than comparing the largest trans instance to the literal nazi party. otherwise put down the hearsay stick.

        • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
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          13 days ago

          I never compared blahaj instance to nazis. I compared the argument that the name having “blahaj” in it to meaning the instance is inherently free of transphobia to the stupid argument that having “socialist” in its name means nazis are socialists.

          I haven’t had any personal problems and certainly wouldn’t make sure a comparison. Also just realized why its seemed so dead: apparently they defederated with the instance I’m using recently. Seems like they’re at least trying something.

          • @spujb@lemmy.cafe
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            233 days ago

            cool. however you characterize what you are saying, don’t do it unless you have evidence.

            • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
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              Evidence that many trans people feel they’ve experienced lots of transphobia there? Would be easy to find that, but I don’t care to do that for some off-hand comment. My point had nothing to do with blahaj itself, but rather about how common that opinion is from trans people.

              • @spujb@lemmy.cafe
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                243 days ago

                “trust me bro the evidence is all over the place and its so easy to find it would take me 0 seconds but i don’t want to.”

                thats you. that’s how you sound.

                • Miles O'Brien
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                  143 days ago

                  Also “for an offhand comment”

                  proceeds to argue over multiple comments and several hours

    • @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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      No I think they’re putting words in OP’s mouth because I recall some drama where Blahaj members accused sh.itjust.works of being a transphobic instance

      • @TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works
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        can someone give more information about SJW and Blahaj? I know there was something about !noncredibledefense@sh.itjust.works and ADA @ blahaj where the noncredibledefense mod was being dumb, but was there more drama than I know about?
        I moved here because of .world being controversial and I don’t wanna move again :/

        • Miles O'Brien
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          163 days ago

          Like many right-wing fascist-simps-in-arms, plenty know some buzzwords to get people riled up, but don’t know when and where to properly use them.

        • 1ostA5tro6yne
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          what’s even more fun is how i got banned from blahaj.zone’s c/transgender for saying hexbear is extremist and they decided to frame that as “calling trans people extremist”.

  • @obre@lemmy.world
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    783 days ago

    In interactions with authoritarians, I’m often reminded of Jean-Paul Sartre’s description of anti-semites.

    “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

    Tankies follow the same underlying basis for their justifications of authoritarianism as every other stripe.