• @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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    People are in disbelief that they would be making this kid into a hero,” he told Fortune.

    Attending a conference for CEOs in New York this week, just blocks away from the site of the shooting, George found that many were shaken and deeply concerned by the reaction to Thompson’s killing. “They’re having plenty of meetings right now to discuss beefing up security,” he said of the business leaders, even as some question how much security coverage is enough. People are asking themselves, “‘What does that say about our society? Where’s our society going?’” George said.

    So they’ve learned absolutely nothing.

    Plenty of meetings to beef up security. How about plenty of meetings to understand how your greed has caused this? They sound one logical leap (that they are unwilling to make) away from understanding exactly what the problem is.

    They managed to find one and only one CEO quote that reflected anything resembling self-awareness.

    “When I was growing up, CEOs didn’t make millions more than everyone else in the company. I think we have to reflect on why there’s so much anger and do something about it.”

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      All I can think of is a TED talk I saw where the speaker had given some presentation to a bunch of billionaires and had some q&a, and one of them who had built a bunker for themselves asked him how they could prevent their security team from turning on them in the bunker.

      The TED talk guy responded “Be kind to them?”

      And the Billionaire said “But where does that end?”

      I’ll try to find it so I can link it.

      EDIT: Found it!

      • @Zahille7@lemmy.world
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        I don’t think it was a ted talk, I’m pretty sure it was a seminar put on specifically by the billionaire class asking this guy how best to navigate societal collapse with their vast amount of resources.

        This I believe was one of the exchanges at that event.

        • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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          And it’s funny because the answer is build an egalitarian compound where your share of the labor is the funding. That’s it. If the guards see it as how they contribute to a shared community then they’re not going to turn on their boss

        • @scarabine@lemmynsfw.com
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          What’s incredible to me is that they don’t realize that societal collapse will render their resources more or less worthless. Their options are the same as everyone else’s: get a bug out plan, be ready to abandon all belongings, etc. What are you planning to do to keep your bunkers stocked past the first month? How will you pay your security if your banks are gone or your currency is worthless?

          • @Zahille7@lemmy.world
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            Exactly. These people don’t think rationally. They truly believe they’ll have a group of sycophants who will do anything they say because they had them all this time before.

            When shit hits the fan, you need to be the only one with the keys to the shock collars. You need to basically become Batman.

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          You’re right, though I was first introduced to the story from the guy telling it at a TED talk. I phrased it poorly.

      • kronisk
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        The guy is called Douglas Rushkoff and he wrote a book on the subject called “Survival of the Richest: Escape fantasies of the Tech Billionaires”.

      • enkers
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        EDIT: Found it!

        Wow, that was actually an extremely insightful conversation. Thank you for going out of your way to share it!

    • Alex
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      They literally can’t see the light for all their wealth because they’re calvinists believing: the greater the wealth, the greater the morality.

      • @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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        Have been thinking about that movie quite a bit since all this went down, but don’t remember it in great detail. Might be worth a rewatch.

    • Skiluros
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      That’s a bridge too far for them, especially with particularly oligarch friendly policies of the incoming US administration.

      • @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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        That’s what makes it sooo good, they think they just got the keys to the kingdom but forgot the all the residents can bite back at any time.

    • @jballs@sh.itjust.works
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      The “what does this say about society” question bugs the shit out of me. It means that our society is sick and tired of being the only rich nation in the world where getting sick or injured will bankrupt you. If these people were truly concerned about the good of society, they’d quit sucking us dry for every dollar that they can and would advocate for a better system.

      • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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        It also bugs the shit out of me because how long have children been being murdered in school in a mass shooting epidemic, but now that the rich are being killed that’s what makes them ask this? Our society has been in bad shape for a long time

      • @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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        Absolutely. The entire article makes it clear that they don’t even have an inkling of what it’s like to have to worry about your health or how much money you have.

  • @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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    Most people don’t hate CEOs.

    Uhhh, that actually might not be true.

    If you were to do a poll in the US I think you can crack 51%, especially if you phrase it by mentioning that they have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit regardless of morality.

    Edit: just had a thought. Given how much more money they make than the average worker, and that the average worker puts their health at risk by sitting at a desk so much, this might actually make sense in terms of risk/reward structure.

    If the ultra wealthy make more than 1000 than me, shouldn’t they take 1000 times more risk of dying (I’m not supporting violence).

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      I would think that the title of CEO might not be appropriate to every organization either. I know a rather big org where the CEO is basically someone who begs for investors, and the CAO does what a CEO usually does. There are orgs where that’s the CFO, or the COO. Regardless of the title, it’s all executives we’re angry about because of the incredible income disparities versus actual responsibilities.

      The executives I’ve met are essentially hype men or thumbs up thumbs down types. All of them were finance types or management types. To me, if your only qualification is many years of managing with barely any experience in the actual product/service your org provides, then that’s a problem.

      Hospitals run by management types? Engineering services run by accountants? It’s all middlemen extracting piece of the pie from the people actually doing the work.

      As a society we need to purge the system of middlemen period. The internet made middlemen obsolete, yet they are still exploiting labor in ridiculous ways.

    • @john89@lemmy.ca
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      I don’t hate somebody just because they’re a CEO.

      I hate all rich people though that aren’t using their wealth to improve the lives of others as much as possible.

      • @slumlordthanatos@lemmy.world
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        I mean, the likes of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos could end world hunger with a snap of their bony fingers, and they’re not doing it, despite the fact that they would still be wealthy beyond comprehension if they did.

        We’re asking them to do the bare minimum and utilize their wealth in a responsible manner, and they’re not even doing that much.

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          the likes of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos could end world hunger with a snap of their bony fingers, and they’re not doing it, despite the fact that they would still be wealthy beyond comprehension if they did.

          I’m reminded of this line Citizen Kane:

          You’re right, I did lose a million dollars last year. I expect to lose a million dollars this year. I expect to lose a million dollars next year. You know, Mr. Thatcher, at the rate of a million dollars a year, I’ll have to close this place in… sixty years”.

        • ObjectivityIncarnate
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          I mean, the likes of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos could end world hunger with a snap of their bony fingers

          Bullshit.

          World hunger, which has in fact decreased drastically over the past century, is not a problem that money can solve, because cost is not the reason it persists where it does.

          One major issue: food donations to poor areas tend to be hoarded and distributed unequally by the most powerful people in those poor areas.

          So we’re one sentence in, and already we need to fundamentally understand local political dynamics and either use force to ensure equal distribution, or to change local leadership structures. This is already out of control.

          You can’t just throw money at the problem and expect it to just be solved. There are real underlying societal and infrastructure issues in a lot of impoverished countries that need to be solved in order for hunger to be solved. You could ship a billion tons of food to a single starving region and there would still be millions of starving people.

          Additionally, simply handing out food would kill the domestic food industry (because who would buy food when billionaires are giving it away for free) and would make the country even more problematic.

          You should know what you’re taking about when you make ridiculous claims like this.

          • @smiletolerantly
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            You can’t just throw money at the problem and expect it to just be solved. There are real underlying societal and infrastructure issues in a lot of impoverished countries that need to be solved in order for hunger to be solved. You could ship a billion tons of food to a single starving region and there would still be millions of starving people.

            That’s a strawman. No-one said “they should just, like, buy enough food to feed the hungry”.

            When people say it would cost x to solve world hunger, they are talking about those “underlying societal and infrastructure issues”.

            So, yes. Everything can be solved with money. You can hire people to “fundamentally understand local political dynamics”, invest in research, pay to fund the programs that will enable impoverished regions to develop the means to build the infrastructure to feed themselves.

            Additionally, simply handing out food would kill the domestic food industry (because who would buy food when billionaires are giving it away for free) and would make the country even more problematic.

            Just because this is the idea you have in mind for how to solve hunger, and it is, as you rightly stated, a fucking stupid idea, doesn’t make it the only idea.

      • @redwattlebird@lemmings.world
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        Most, if not all, CEOs are rich though and I’m sure most people follow your sentiments too. It’s just that CEOs are currently the flavour of the month.

    • @kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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      especially if you phrase it by mentioning that they have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit regardless of morality.

      Also regardless of mortality.

  • @naught101@lemmy.world
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    Bill George, a former Medtronic CEO and executive fellow at Harvard Business School. “People are in disbelief that they would be making this kid into a hero,” he told Fortune.

    Which “people”? Who are “they” in this context?

    Actually most of those quotes read as completely disconnected from normal people’s reality…

    • @DrFistington@lemmy.world
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      Assholes who do the least amount of work and take 95% of the profit can’t figure out why the people who actually make the company money see them as parasites.

      Maybe have your Private jet fly you up a few thousand feet higher for a better view and you might be able to figure it out. Fucking assholes.

      It won’t be enough to eliminate the CEO’s. You’ve got to get the whole c suite and their kids. That should give them the perspective they need.

  • @theangryseal@lemmy.world
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    Just wanted to comment on these two.

    “I have to wonder if the demonization of corporate America and the wealthy over the last four years planted a mind virus in the assassin’s mind.”

    Fuck you! You have the mind virus. A virus which leads you to believe that the rest of us should suffer because you’re better. Eat shit anonymous CEO.

    “If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about.”

    Then light some candles and put out some flowers you fucking cowardly parasite. Hold a vigil, gather your CEO buddies and sing Kumbaya. Be sure and post the date online so all of the healthcare CEOs know when to be there.

  • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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    This was at the end of the article Forbes presented me with:

    Do you have what it takes to make it to the C-suite? Learn how Fortune 500 CEOs overcame surprising obstacles on the road to the corner office…

    I don’t want to make it to the C-suite. That sounds awful. I want to help specific people solve problems they have helping other people.

    Do other people think like this? Like they want a corner office and a big car? Am I that fucking abnormal that this sounds like a death sentence to me?

    • @Demdaru@lemmy.world
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      Lemmy tends to have skewed perception of such things. Truth is, most people want money. As much as possible in as short time as possible. There’s a multitude of reasons, from wanting a luxurious life, to simply wanting to not have to worry about the money or to retire early, but pretty much everyone wants money. Look at how many folk join the lottery.

      Hell, most of Lemmy wants student debt to be forgotten. That’s gaining money, just in reverse order. Same with distributed wealth etc.

      World spins around money, no matter how you look at it.

      But sure as hell I wouldn’t like to be in a place I hate to earn it. :/

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        Of those people who want more money to afford a comfortable life, it is much more rare to be mentally ill enough to want to be a billionaire and that is what is being discussed here really.

        And on the topic of wanting more money to afford a comfortable life, that mostly exists also because achieving this comfortable and fear free life is made more harder by these billionaires who view services which should be basic social rights as sectors that they can squeeze money out of.

        • @Demdaru@lemmy.world
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          Wanting to be billionaire is not to be mentally ill. Who doesn’t like power without responsibility? Whatever moral framework you’ve got, most folk wouldn’t subscribe to when given option to be billionaire. Sorry, but that’s reality - power makes people drunk, and it’s only natural for us to want power - power to make our families and friends live better, to make people we despise grovel, to have all we want. It takes discipline and ideals to veer off into helping everyone.

          And I agree with the lofe being made harder being the reason, but it doesn’t really apply to original comment I replied to.

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            sociopaths and children is who. have you ever been in charge of something important? something that actually matters to a number of people? if it turns into a power trip you need to grow the fuck up. it should be a humbling experience, that many people are relying on you take care of them in one way or another.

            and to make people you don’t like ‘grovel’ is just maintaining a cycle of violence.

    • Alex
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      They’re calvinists believing: the greater the wealth, the greater the morality. Taking it to its extremes is the point as is the cruel structural violence.

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      “suprising obstacles” lol as soon as it gets hard these fuckers just fuck off to a new ceo position at a different company.

      And the only thing hard about being ceo is making decisions that suck for your own employees like cutting back homeoffice or fire/rehire and not have a bad conscience. But since these fuckers dont have any moral or loyalality anyways it isnt hard for them at all.

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      People who read Forbes do.

      I think large parts of humanity still desires enormous amount of money and are willing to spend their lives focusing on it.

      It’s because money gives what people actually want - safety, respect, admiration, power, freedom etc.

  • Why don’t you love your oligarchy overlords? All our surveys say you’re happy to have no choices other than the ones our questionnaire leads you to. You didn’t cancel your subscriptions after we jacked the prices up a half dozen times in the last five years and/or shoved ads at you, so you must be happy.

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    Gleefully looking forward to the US not learning anything from this and moving on to the next gotcha moment! Seriously, the ship’s slowly sinking and I’m buying stock in popcorn and booze.

  • @redisdead@lemmy.world
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    “When I was growing up, CEOs didn’t make millions more than everyone else in the company. I think we have to reflect on why there’s so much anger and do something about it.”, said someone who will do absolutely nothing about it.

  • @Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    US income distribution is on the same level as fucking Russia. Bring back the tax brackets from the 1950’s and 60’s.

  • @GrammarPolice@lemmy.world
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    If you walk by the place where it happened, it’s business as usual, which gives me some perspective. This was a random killing by a mentally ill person. Let’s not turn a tragic incident into a trend. Most people don’t hate CEOs. They don’t care about CEOs. They have bigger issues to care about

    I hope this guy gets it next. How fucking out of touch can you be that you dismiss this as “a mentally ill person doing mentally ill things”? What a fucking loser!

    • @HereIAm@lemmy.world
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      I love the last line. They do indeed, like how to pay for chemotherapy treatment after their claim got denied.

    • @thax@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      It’s insulting toward, what I believe to be, a plurality of the population. Luigi was a gift of a wake-up call. They’d do well to listen. Though, only government could really remedy the situation, and that’s not likely to happen. So we lurch forward toward instability. The powers at be seem more intent on transfixing the masses with fictions, distractions, and eventually: war.

  • @snekerpimp@lemmy.world
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    Here’s an idea, make human life more important than line go up. I’m pretty sure that would get alllllll of your asses off the firing line.

    • @ArbiterXero@lemmy.world
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      Okay but what if we just sent everyone some stickers with our logo on it?

      I mean EVERYBODY loves stickers. Then w we can keep making money, you can keep dying and you’ll have some great bling for your toddlers coffin!

      Everybody wins!

      Think of how few stickers are on the average toddler’s coffin?

      • Stern
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        I was thinking pizza party myself, all our employees (except the ones we fired for being negative nancies) love pizza parties.

    • @whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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      But the cult of the line goes up says the line must go up, are you even paying attention to the line and whether it’s going up?