Curious if anyone has the original Universal Monk comment handy.
And here I thought Lemmy was too small to have prominent trolls. Thanks for the head’s up.
You can always depend on someone having absolutely no life and an agenda to push endlessly.
Oh we had (have) loads.
What do you think was trollish about OP’s example? Looks to me like someone was mad that the guy posted an AP News article. So is posting AP News articles considered trollish now?!
serious question, does shitjustworks have a reputation as a conservative community? I guess I do most of my browsing in the all feed so maybe I just haven’t seen it? definitely not the instance I’d like to be on if that’s the case 😅
I think they’re referring to the /c/conservative community ON shitjustworks. I certainly have never experienced the instance in general leaning conservative.
I love how all the conservative comms have no legit posts above 1 upvotes.
serious question, does shitjustworks have a reputation as a conservative community?
No. And the person in OP’s example isn’t on shitjustworks. It says Donald J Musk@lemmy.today
So where is this word-for-word duplicate comment? Can anyone link to it?
Nope, because it’s not a duplicate comment. I have no idea why the mod said that. lol
My post history is public, so anyone can take a look.
And I’m not a conservative anyway, so no clue why they’re attacking that person for being me. I still post everywhere, so I have no need for a whole fake conservative persona.
It’s Lemmy though. The haters here see me in everyone they disagree with.
At least the universal monk is being honest with their intentions with that user-name.
Except it’s not my username. My username is Universal Monk. This whole thread is about how they banned someone for being me, even tho it’s not me.
Jeez, Universal Monk is still at it? Christ almighty.
He started up another “thenewdonald” comm with a pinned manifesto, dude’s certifiable
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Holy hell, that’s hilarious coming from that ragebait fascist weirdo!
It’s always either projection or the opposite of what they’re saying.
Could someone show me the most fascist thing he ever said so that this doesn’t come off to me as the witch hunting style of allegations I always see?
How do we know it’s him?
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Wdym?
Monk needs serious help.
Good. Lemmy should not be a safe space for fascists.
There’s already a lemmy instance safe space of fascists, they can go there (the instance is blacklisted by the majority of other instances).
Exploding heads?
Yes we should.
I was thinking in another one, so I guess there’s multiple of them to choice.
I saw, and was suspicious of Donald J. Musk. Umonk again! What a dweeb.
Didn’t notice the username at first.
He’s a spicy one, I’ve been poking him for a week or two. He’s about to snap, I can feel it in my bones.
How could one tell when that happens?
Dude is bugged out more than an abandoned gas station bathroom.
Dude is bugged out more than an abandoned gas station bathroom.
I actually like this sentence! Have my upvote!
Did it occur to anyone that “triggering” those who have had or are on the verge of a complete mental break could exacerbate the issues? Like do we really want to be the straw that causes a suicide or mass shooting?
You ain’t wrong but also there is the classic FAFO maxim.
If you monk says stupid shit, we can’t expect people NOT to return the favour.
But yea if you sense somebody is not mentally well, then people best to take the high road.
He’s a spicy one, I’ve been poking him for a week or two. He’s about to snap
That sounds like you’re admitting to trolling. Are you talking about me, or the guy in OP’s post?
You should see a doctor if you can feel anything in your bones.
I feel approaching storms in my bones. But I’m also old as dirt.
Wait until you get hearing aids. My friend’s grandmother had one of those cochlear types of hearing aids, and she could hear thunderstorms before they were supposed to even occur.
sEriOus ConSerVative ComMuniTy
Literally an oxymoron and trust me, I know because I have seen more of it than any of you combined.
It’s mostly all based on: we must make leftist cry. Such seriousness, the very core of it is fundamentally a joke.No wonder right leaning instance is just shitposts and memes galore. This is basically what modern conservatism is.
The sad fact is America needs an actual conservative movement that isn’t just nazis in hiding. Im not sure it can exist anymore as conservatives havent had a “normal” party in 30+ years
Does it though? I mean that would be better than fascism, no doubt, but what are we trying to conserve, really?
Ideally fiscal responsibility and a resistance to government intrusion in the private sphere.
By private sphere do you mean people’s private lives and activities or corporate political organizations? If the former, then I agree, if the latter then those are in dire need of disruption.
The former, the GOP used to be conservative liberals.
Conservatives haven’t had fiscal responsibility in probably near 50 years. People should absolutely stop equating conservatives to fiscal responsibility. It’s a lie conservatives keep telling each other.
The economy has always been better under democrats.
Ideally fiscal responsibility and a resistance to government intrusion in the private sphere.
Which is what libertarians and a LOT of republicans want. But for some reason, Lemmy seems to hate libertarians even more than republicans. lol
No wonder right leaning instance is just shitposts and memes galore.
A conservative visiting lemmy would say the exact same thing. The difference in my mind is that right-wing memes mostly leave me thinking, “No one says or believes that. Fuck you on about?”
Same thoughts I have talking to conservatives IRL. Having only been presented with the most outlandish fruitcakes, they’ve brainwashed into thinking there are legions of fucking nutcase left-wingers out there.
For left-wingers making fun, yeah, the memes more often reflect what the right actually says and believes.
(Yes, I’m biased, but I try really hard to be objective.)
Everyone is biased, in some way. There is no such thing as being unbiased.
As a budding radical centrist I hate every cuck winger with equal passion. The left however has some merit to protect the minorities and at least in theory aims to reduce inequalities. The far left are bunch of unfunny idiots however
Internet exclusive breed of far left ohhh these are people that should be branded with red hot iron
I’d seen comments about this account before and noted how the phrasing and comment behavior was a dead ringer for Universal Monk’s usual bullshit. Glad to see others saw the same thing.
Has his Barry Goldwater alt been banned yet?
Donald J Musk stopped posting for the better part of a week and almost all activity stopped on their comms for a while.
Must be fun talking to yourself through different accounts :)
Edit: reread my comment again slowly, you’ll get it :)
So if he stopped, then why did they ban him thinking he was me? And in OP’s post, the example says it’s a word-for-word copy of one of my comments. But I don’t have any comments that say that.
So I’m still not even sure why he was banned. Plus, he’s still posting, so it wasn’t an instance ban.
He’s not me by the way, so make no difference to me. But you all and your witch-hunts are getting crazy. I’m right here. No need to go seeing me in everyone else. :)
Hm, so other bans are going to follow?
For what though? What would you ban him for exactly? Because he was accused of being me?! That’s the road you guys are gonna go down?! lol
Is there something weird with shitjustworks that I’m not aware of?
I think the conservative com there got taken over by mods that aren’t right-wing and now exists to make fun of the right. I don’t particularly care but I can see why rightists might not love this.
Yes I actually tried joining a few conservative communities for rational and productive discourse. The “progressive” mods deleted my good faith posts and comments, brigaded and made outright hostile comments. God forbid people seek common ground and building bridges, rather than do the exact things we get upset with “the other side” for doing. They certainly have me not rethinking my values, but certainly rethinking with whom I want to align for the greatest good of our people as a whole, regardless of political leanings.
Unfortunately the only common ground online right now is toxicity, group-think, and mutual hostility. That said, I honestly think outreach to most people on the right is a waste of time, at least online. I’ve tried to educate people for so long but the cult mentality is too strong to overcome. Maybe a more relationship-centered approach could work, I haven’t tried this. But that would take a huge amount of energy and effort.
You’re generally right about group-think and hostility, but the couple of good-faith exchanges I had with right wingers may have gotten a couple of snarky replies (maybe pre-emptive defense from being heavily attacked, prior?) but also half-hearted attempts at engagement and addressing my points until the “progressives” came in and did what they do. It’s sad, I don’t even want to alienate others, preemptively, by calling myself that. Leftist definitely does that. And I’m probably some conglomeration of leftist and libertarian (in the global sense, not the Yankee sense) with a sprinkling of anarchism, somewhere in the mix. I’m not sure yet. I’m not exactly in the process of changing my core values, more somewhat refining them into a more mature form. It’s not quite personal anomie, but I haven’t found my solid footing yet on the shifting ground beneath them.
Anyway, thank you for a bit of understanding. I appreciate it more than you know.
There are plenty of conservative spaces online and it’s exceedingly rare where “good faith” and “rational” conversations are possible.
The fact that this one is a satire of that and folks are upset is hilarious to me
That wasn’t the sh.itjust.works or lemm.ee conservative communities.
lol before the takeover, every post made in there was kicked over and over like a sad puppy.
Not that I know of, this is just the unhinged rant of a madman.
I think the conservative community was abandoned there, letting it go to seed with people who aren’t in that cult.
It’s too friendly. Something’s not right.
My experience with UM et al is cavity inducing sweetness of tone while spouting racist BS.
Please post proof that I’m racist or that I’ve said anything racist. You can’t. Because I’m not. I’m actually bi-racial and have been on the receiving end of racism.
I remember how the Catholic schools in my area would teach the kids how to read very, very late, and so one day someone came up with a van that says “free balloons” and none of the kids even paid attention until a teen from a random school got a balloon and all the Catholic kids were like “he’s stealing a balloon! He’s a sinner!”
Darn people and their friendliness.
It’s fake friendliness for exactly this reason. He thinks it makes it so he can say anything he wants, as long as he ends it with “:)”
Oh, that’s what people meant. I joked about it because I can’t help but get Homer Simpson vibes seeing someone complain about friendliness without context.
Is there something weird with shitjustworks
No. Great instance. Great admins. No one should be bringing in the shitjustworks instance into this drama. The admins there are amazing.
What’s the actual lore here?
Universal Monk was a prolific poster around election time; he had tons of alt accounts that all posted stuff purposely made to divide the left.
After his accounts all got banned for trolling and evasion, he started up the Donald J Musk accounts and repeated the cycle, this time posting far-right fascist content and trolling people with lies, disinfo, and general unpleasantness.
It’s been an open secret for a while that they were the same user based on the MO, but apparently he fucked up and reused a comment.
Their favourite m.o. during election season was sealioning and concern trolling, as well as baiting people into breaking the civility rule and then reporting them. It seemed to me like they were taking pleasure from skirting around the letter of the law while violating the spirit of it.
It was completely incredible at the time that they went on for months without getting banned.
baiting people into breaking the civility rule and then reporting them
ELI5: If it’s bad enough to compromise civility over, it’s bad enough to report to get rule enforcers involved, right?
As for the other two things (the “sealioning” and “concern trolling” parts), I guess I’d need examples here. I’ve seen people called “sealioners” simply for asking for translations, and I’ve seen people called “concern trolls” even over pointing out law violations. It invokes thoughts of what PBS calls “fallacy fallacy”.
The fact that !politics_no_um@lemmy.world had to be created still baffles me
As a big Umphrees McGee fan, who had previously blocked and forgot about UniversalMonk, seeing a bunch of posts talking smack about UM really threw me for a loop when it got real bad haha.
who had previously blocked and forgot about UniversalMonk
And if more people did that, we wouldn’t have to have entire threads like this. People follow me around rather than block me. It’s weird. lol
Reminds me of all the people who were banned from editing encyclopedias due to being Scientologists. Always nice to see when people know I’m not the droids they’re looking for.
Tbh, it appears to me the guy is in serious mental health crisis. Social isolation isn’t great without mh support and tends to exacerbate issues. I’m wondering if it’s simply not affordably accessible to them or if it is and they broke so completely they failed to see the necessity. I remember a post they made about breaking up with their gf and that’s when the alt-right accounts became highly visible to me.
He also posted about being happily married; there’s really no way to know the truth about a serial liar like UM.
Although he has serious “50-something-divorced-guy” energy. If I had to guess, his kids and ex hate him for being a right-wing scumbag and this is how he takes out his anger.
The only thing we need to guess, impo, is he’s in serious mh crisis and pushing him toward suicide or mass shooting isn’t a solution. Ignore or block should leave him the option of seeking professional help or spiralling of his own doing, not ours.
It also leaves open the option to keep being a racist, transphobic, fascist troll though, which will leave the door open to becoming a Nazi bar.
I understand where you’re coming from, but it’s not my responsibility to play nice with the people who are attacking the people I love and those like them.
Trolls should be made to feel unwelcome until they change their behavior.
We disagree. Unless we’re moderators, it’s not our job and focusing on other’s demons too much means we’re ignoring our own. Something about the abyss staring back, but that’s the beauty of the fediverse. Just like you don’t get to tell me what to do, I don’t get to tell you. I would only urge you to do some soul -searching and follow your best impulses, while waiting to serve the worst or questionable. There are other options such as utilizing block/report.
Sure, if that’s what works for you.
But I don’t want to see Lemmy turn into a trash site like Reddit, where the worst and loudest are free to harass, provoke, and lie without consequences.
This user has literally dozens of alts he uses to get around bans, so I don’t see unilateral disarmament as a way to keep this particular fascist in check.
Kind words. But misplaced. I’m not in crisis. Still good words though and people should listen to you. Just not about me.
attacking the people I love and those like them.
I’ve never attacked anyone. Please post any proof that I advocate violence in any form. I’m a socialist.
I can hypothetically be his girlfriend if that saves a few people from the brink of insanity.
Social isolation
I’m not socially isolated though. And the gf I broke up with wasn’t an emotional post. I was talking about how she was too clingy and was mad that I dated other girls. There was nothing sad about it at all. Please post the actual comment.
he had tons of alt accounts
How do we know each persona is his?
With your writing style… We know haha
Where I come from, we call that speculation.
We are not in a court of law…
I will take my chances
My point being we shouldn’t act like we are.
You watch long enough, definable patterns emerge, then blow up. Fractal repetition, really.
I’ve seen a lot of mistaken identity occur due to people trying to grasp these supposed patterns. Emphasis on “a lot” too. Among people who have thought I’ve evaded punishment, I’ve been mistaken for (other) full blown celebrities before. It’s to the point where my copyrights have been imbued in their artwork.
They were all UniversalMonk@[insert instance here]. He wanted everyone to know it was him.
I mean the alternative isn’t abnormal. Many of my personas share names with other people who have little to do with me.
After his accounts all got banned for trolling and evasion
What accounts? I don’t have any other accounts except for Universal Monk. And I haven’t been banned. I’m still here posting. As you can see. My post and comment history is public.
People are mad because I voted for the Socialist Workers Party for the election (my post history on lemmy.world is public, so you can see for yourself). Yes, they are still mad.
I have no idea who the poster they banned is tho, but everyone here is saying it’s me. But that’s not me.
I’m not even a conservative. I’m Socialist.
