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Summary
Trump has rejected the EU’s “zero-for-zero” tariff offer on cars and industrial goods, demanding instead that the bloc commit to purchasing $350 billion of American energy to offset the trade deficit.
Following his implementation of 20% tariffs on EU goods last week, which triggered significant market downturns, Trump indicated openness to negotiations while emphasizing his “America First” stance.
He also criticized EU product standards as “non-monetary barriers” designed to block American exports.
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This is just Mafia like extortion. It doesnt really matter now if/when these tariffs are undone - Trump has totally destroyed the US reputation as a reliable ally and trade partmer.
No deal with the US is worth the paper its written on, as everything is dependent on the whims of one person.
Presidential systems are sources of weakness and instabilty it seems. They’re no better than monarchs, and the whole system can easily be twisted into dictatorship. Look at Russia and now the US.
Turns out that allowing people to choose from a very limited pool of potential rulers every couple of years doesn’t actually give them any real power over their society, and maybe it’s just a way to delay revolution while the true ruling class gets all the benefits of the old monarchs with almost none of the blowback, because we’re all too divided over which potential ruler is less blatantly evil to address the real problems.
It’s a very effective method of social control, but it would be a really bad idea for one of the de facto ruling class to try to step into the de jure ruler’s office and try to run it for himself like a dictator. That would probably blow up in his face.
He also crippled the trust in us tech. It will be a slow change but the EU will eventually get rid of Microsoft 365.
And Azure (process is already running at work) and Google workplace like things (searching for a eu partner).
It’s a classical pol sci example for how to do or not do things. Emerging democracy’s that adapts presidential systems are far easier to go back to a dictatorship than a semi presidential or parliamentary system is. So all US advisors in south America pushed for presidential systems.
The EU are currently trying the carrot (offering zero for zero), Next comes the stick (targeted import and export tarrifs)… it would hurt the EU, but cripple the US.
Just tariff cloud stocks, watch everything crumble.
Coordinate with China on this shit. The EU and China may have their differences, but they have a common goal here and together they substantially outweigh the US
I think there is a possibility for an EU, China, Canada plus others… agreement to smooth over the gap from loss of US trade.
Maybe we are going to see a unification of the world over this! Everyone rallies together to fight the U.S. tariffs, and then there’s no more U.S.! World peace at last. Thanks Trump!
I love the vision but despite everything we’re still human.
Yaay uh oh we’re all governed by China now :x
Yeah!! I hope the rest of the world isolates and ices out the US from global trade. It can be done!!!
Or choose to ignore us American interlecutal property and start the second golden age of piracy
EU should target the services. US exports services like google, meta etc than goods. If that happens, US goes to depression.
That one could be trickier as many Europeans work for the US big service companies ( Microsoft, Google etc…)
I don’t live anywhere in the northern hemisphere and I can’t say I know much about economy and international affairs. Which targeted tariffs you think the EU will impose that will cripple US?
I personally am loving the non-tarrif retaliation by China on the US. Basically banning exports to the US of critical minerals that only they produce. Love to see it.
EU tariffs alone would not be that painful on their own, but add in Asian tarrifs and perhaps some South American numbers… maybe bring the penguins in too.
They should say “okay but only green energy, no oil or gas”
Please send solar panels Sincerely,
-Europe
I guarantee that all of a sudden the only energy the USA produces would be green. (According to the USA)
That’s why they want Greenland.
Sounds like there won’t be any good faith negotiations with the US.
This sounds like BS, does the US even have enough capxitt or export $350 billion worth of energy (oil, LNG?).
Even I can sell $350B worth of energy if I increase the price enough.
That is one expensive AAA battery.
Too much effort. Just don’t deliver
But he said the tariffs were permanent. This was not a ‘negotiating’ tactic. Oh wait, he fucking lied, like he does every time he breathes. This is the “art of the deal”, AKA the bad deal. What an idiot bully con man. President Felon.
They basically are permanent if his alternative is the EU buying the entire GDP of Finland in extra LNG every year
What nobody realized is that the “art” in “art of the deal” was one of those modern “monkey threw feces at the wall” type of art pieces.
The Shart of the Deal.
oh my good lord he’s and actual toddler
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We don’t put children in charge of shit they don’t understand for a reason. You don’t understand that, either.
These are mob tactics. He is adopting the fucking Sopranos as international policy. This isn’t childish, it’s thuggish.
How about you fuck off and let people speak their mind on the Internet you creep
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Just say no EU. The more he hears the word the more it will drive home how wrong he is. Of course his type is incapable of admitting that they are wrong.
He also criticized EU product standards as “non-monetary barriers” designed to block American exports.
lol, lmfao even
product standards exist for a reason.
They don’t need $350B of US energy. why not sell something they need instead for forcing your customer to eat “McDonald’s” when they don’t need or want to.
Might as well force penguins to buy ice cube and snow made in US.
Also they dont “owe” the US anything. Trump has a cretinous understanding of economics.
He is all about win-lose
Honestly, pressuring someone into a purchase is how they start to think that maybe your products aren’t worth their perceived value. Otherwise, why the hard sell?
Art of the deal, my ass. I wonder if he can even feel embarrassment or if he simply hides it behind his “masterful leader” persona.
I’m pretty sure he knows they don’t need it and that that’s the point. He’s probably trying to force to buy stuff they don’t need in addition to the stuff they need, which they’ll buy anyway.
Wait, wait, wait.
Trump, under the direction of parties unknown, is trying to force the EU to buy U.S. energy resources, and that’s the linchpin of his trade war with them?
Is he trying to give Europe a nudge back to Russian oil supplies?
If you’re a (western) European leader returning to Russian energy is at best shortsighted amnesia, at worst blatant malfeasance. There’s several reasons to not go back to Russia:
- Official legal based sanctions on Russian energy
- Ukrainian drone based ‘sanctions’ on Russian energy
- Russia’s track record of energy blackmail/hybrid warfare
- LNG and oil production available in your EEZ/the EU, albeit at higher cost than imported
- Domestic solar, hydro, and wind manufacturing/generation is ramping up
- French nuclear energy exports
- Domestic politics ie. voters turning against Russian imperial aggression/expansionism
Eastern Europe has a slightly different incentive mix, but there’s still a lot of reasons to not
Those are very well considered points, but Trump is an idiot.
tRump is an idiot influenced by putin.
Most of these are not really a problem though, even less for the kind of psychos that run the EU. Sanctions can be lifted, and Ukraine shouldn’t be able to do much against both Russia and the EU. While renewables and nuclear are increasing, Russian energy could help until they are 100% ready. Voters won’t do much if they are told “see, the US is trying to scam us, and in these trying times we’ve struck a deal with Russia and you’ll be paying less for power and heat”.
The problem with striking a deal with Russia is that it’s not the most reliable partner right now (your 3rd point), but the people in charge can ignore the rest and have no problems sleeping.
Edit: this is not a defense of Russia but a critique of the powers that be in the EU.
So what do you suggest here? I see no reasonable option…
Commit to renewables. I’d advocate for a nuclear powered off-ramp from fossils whilst renewable capacity and infrastructure is built, but I get that each nation has its own history with fission.
Energy security is fundamental for a robust society and economy - otherwise you’re subject to pipeline shutoffs/attacks, oil embargoes/quotas, or another angle for outside nations to influence or control you. For example, if you’re chill with the French and build your economic strategy around buying their surplus energy, that strategy predicated on the French having a surplus to sell you.
Or y’know, give Canada somewhere else to sell theirs.
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Always has been.
Amerikkka can fuck off.
Ah, so now they are begging for money. Hard no, pass, skip, forget it, we’re good thanks.
" I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.”
Ues, becoming energy dependent on this belligerent administration sounds like a great idea
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