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I mean, nothing here is wrong but I have rarely had C being my primary issue when dealing with roundabouts. Idiots randomly entering the circle with no regard to other cars, THAT I’ve encountered quite frequently…
Ah yes, car E driven by Leeeerrroooooyyyy Jenkins
Watching the shadow of the car, it takes out the top of a tree
To the moooooooooooon
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Biggest problem I encounter is people failing to signal their exit
So I end up being C because I yield to a bunch of bozos who didn’t communicate they were’t going to come my way
Well we can kinda only go when the signal is accompanied by another indication like slowing and or beginning to turn - “never trust a signal” eh?
That’s because Americans don’t know how to use them, once you live in a place where people use them OPs picture becomes your issue and you never see yours.
Americans have a hard time driving, period. They can’t “keep right unless passing”, they can’t understand 4-way stops, they can’t understand traffic circles, and so much more. So frustrating and dangerous here.
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It’s completely F’d up. In the region I live in there are a lot of 3-lane highways (6 lanes total). People “cruise” in the #2 lane and treat it like the slow lane which forces faster traffic left and right around them in the #1 and #3 lanes sometimes going 5 under the limit, often confounded by a #1 lane camper going the speed limit or just a few over. Nobody obeys any sort of rule or has a clue they aren’t being the asshole. They refuse to keep right or yield to faster traffic.
I know that „there must be a German word for that“ is became a meme, with lot of fake words being thrown around, but I’m not even joking: There’s a German word for that lol ✨Mittelspurschleicher✨
Many dont understand four way stop signs either
I think that’s location specific, I’ve lived in a few different places in the US that had roundabouts, although I’ve always called em rotaries in the northeast.
Yeah same here. Only know roundabout because that’s how the GPS says it lol
My city (US) used to have one that was signed all wrong, so cars already inside the circle would have to yield to the ones entering. Naturally this led to congestion instead of flowing traffic. Also it was way too close to a tangential road so that made things even worse because the backed up traffic on that side then affected cars that weren’t even going to the circle.
Fortunately they ripped that shit out and redesigned the entire intersection.
Or badly designed ones with a combo of yield and stop signs that effectively prevent the people with the stop sign from ever proceeding
The only real problem I regularly encounter is on two lane roundabouts.
If you want to take the first exit you need to enter in the passenger side lane.
If you want to take any exit after the second you need to enter in the driver’s side lane.
If you enter in the passenger side lane, you must take the first or second exit. Taking any exit after the second from the “outside” lane is gonna cause an accident.
I see this happen a few times a year. It’s so common that most drivers foresee it.
Yeah the solution there is spiral roundabouts with hard barriers at critical points.
Hit them
C is yielding to a pedestrian, but carbrain D cannot fathom yielding to anything smaller than their car.
Were this a 2 lane roundabout, car d would be changing lanes to bypass car c, nearly striking that pedestrian
It took me three attempts to parse
We’re this a 2 lane roundabout,
Your mistake is even harder to type than the correct ‘Were’!
Nope, same level of difficulty since the swipe keyboard autocorrect added the unneeded apostrophe.
Hate it when that happens!
Autocorrect fucks me on were we’re all the time. I bet that’s what happened.
Yup. Swipe keyboard.
yall need real keyboards.
Pedestrian crossing without traffic lights at a 2 lane roundabout entry? That’s just murderous design.
Traffic lights on a roundabout kinda defeats the purpose doesn’t it? might as well signalize the intersection
Signalised lead ins are helpful to solve flow issues caused by an imbalance in traffic direction at certain times of day. When you get too much traffic building up that can’t enter the roundabout due to no gaps you activate the red light before the entrance dominating traffic flow to give a period where the other directions can move through. The actual roundabout works as per normal and you don’t have to deal with lights during non-peak periods.
Lights on a roundabout make it not really a roundabout but an unholy mishmash of intersection design. I’ve got one near me and the only thing going for it was that converting a roundabout was significantly cheaper than the flyover intersection it really should be made into.
There’s only one or two in my area that would warrant adding signals, but they’re only backed up during rush hour by people trying to take a “shortcut” around the highway traffic. So I consider them kinda self limiting due to the traffic. Not many more people try to take that route at that time when they’re aware that it’s clogged in the direction of rush hour traffic.
The other is right next to a private school and is only clogged because nobody uses their bus service, so, I don’t have any sympathy for the parents.
Tho not preferable, there’s cases where it can work. The roundabout layout still provides a better (easier) entry to the crossroads, the traffic lights can create a “cadence”. Technically not a roundabout anymore, it does use some of it’s qualities.
Anyhow, pedestrian crossings on 2 lanes right before any kind of intersection without any lights is way more dangerous than a roundabout with lights.
Try a 3 lane roundabout entry. I cross that shit twice a day on my commute to work every fucking day. Other options are very far out of the way as to make them non-viable.
I always wave on traffic so that I may cross when it is safe. Sometimes, a car stops to let me through, and refuses to move. I won’t go, because I can’t see the other two lanes past the car that is stopped. Four times in the past year, that car was rear ended by a massive fuckoff truck. For whatever reason, they get pissed off at me, not the guy that rear ended them.
I only once encountered it in Czechia near Plzen with 2 lanes. Think it took me 5 minutes before I could/dared. Can’t imagine it with 3. Crazy dangerous situation. Stay safe!
Does turning your head/body to face away from that car that refuses to move help much?
There’s no pedestrian in the image.
Cars are bad enough as it is that we don’t have to imagine more problems with them.
A pedestrian would cross between C and D, or even behind D.
Pedestrian would be safer crossing somewhere with a pedestrian crossing
I’ve been car A and still had car D behind me beep at me. We hate car D.
Not everybody is cut out to drive (i.e. to operate dangerous heavy machinery in a fast-changing environment with others depending on you handling the situation correctly). The problem is when we structure our societies requiring everyone to do so to participate.
requiring everyone to do so to participate.
Bus, taxi, bike, walk, whatever.
I vehemently disagree that everyone has a ‘right’ to have a license, as so many argue.
That infrastructure is majorly lacking if you live in the US.
They never said that everybody has a right to drive. The reality is that, at least in the US and similarly planned countries, cars are priced like a luxury and treated like a necessity by the powers that be. Anything that isn’t driving a car is an afterthought.
My favorite is when the pink car stops to allow car ‘A’ to go 🙃
“if I randomly stop in the middle of the road so another car can get in, the car right behind me probably won’t hit me”
Cyclist here.
Someone did that for me, so I tried to rush across the street to not hold up traffic.
Woke up a few weeks later in physical rehab, not remembering anything because of the TBI. Evidently I was in the hospital for about three weeks. No recollection!
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THIS! FFS
Oh God I love that its just so hulaeuosly dumb when it happens
I just put my hands in the air and yell at them
Some larger roundabouts work that way. Most (in)famously the arc de triomphe in Paris.
Where I live there are two of these
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But they are on the right side.
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No, they are on the right side.
Whose on first?
Woosh~
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I hate getting stuck behind the “I won’t move until there are no cars anywhere on the planet” drivers.
ITT: People road raging over imaginary traffic.
Drivers seem to love complaining about drivers
Wait until you see the magic roundabout in the UK. It’s a “close your eyes, pray and hit the gas” type of place.
I’ve seen this so often before and I still don’t understand why they didn’t just build an ordinary roundabout. It’s just six roads that meet there. That’s not beyond ordinary roundabout capabilities. Who said “you know what, let’s just do a circular arrangement of five roundabouts here, that’s so much better than what people are used to”?
My money is on “the french love roundabouts so we’re not doing that”
It’s really five regular roundabouts circling one central roundabout.
Left side driving should be illegal
It is in the most places on earth.
Good.
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That roundabout needs a speaker constantly playing Entry of the Gladiators on repeat
People will unironically see this and proclaim that it’s actually not that complicated…
Then you see the cars completely ignoring the sub-circles and driving over them or backwards to the arrows.
I drove through that one, not easy. I prefer the turbine design we use in Germany.
C may be right to yield depending on where pink and yellow are going and the speed they’re doing.
this just here, we don’t have many roundabouts but, the amount of drivers who think it’s a race to get from point a to point b is unreasonable. I’m not about to enter the roundabout as car c if the pink or yellow car is flying with no indicators.
C has plenty of space to be out of the way before pink and yellow can catch up to it.
It’s a small roundabout and it’s prudent to wait a second to see what they’re doing. Being impatient isn’t a good trait when driving.
If C is moving (and they should be), there’s no reason to wait. If C isn’t moving, yeah, maybe it’s worth waiting, but then my question is why they weren’t moving.
Don’t drive in NJ then. /s
Not if they’re moving quickly and not signalling their intent.
Signaling is not useful in a circle because it’s on the opposite side of the car. By the time you see the signal, it’s too late to make a decision based on that anyway.
As you approach, you should adjust your speed to fit into traffic in the circle. Don’t look for signals, just look for cars.
I am car C. I don’t care if car D is pissed at me, because I have autism and driving is overwhelming for me. I’m being extra cautious because it takes me longer to process sensory input because I can’t filter out the irrelevant things. Plus, I always make sure to check the crosswalks. I as a pedestrian have come very close to being hit while crossing multiple times and it seems most other drivers don’t give a shit about pedestrians at all.
This is no excuse. If sensory issues make it difficult for you to drive correctly, then you should not be driving at all.
Because our society has widely available public transit and pedestrian/biking options, of course there is no overwhelming pressure to drive to be able to hold down a job and purchase food. /s
sorry this is a problem too american for the rest of us to sympathize about.
If you think being cautious is incorrect then you don’t know what driving incorrectly means.
Stopping when you shouldn’t is not driving cautiously, it is driving dangerously in disguise. Drive the way everyone expects you to or you will cause accidents.
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And there’s literally only one car to keep in mind, so it’s way less problematic than a traditional 4-way intersection.
They didn’t say they would yield, just take slightly more time to make the appropriate checks. And not sure about your car, but most have lights that indicate what they’re doing (slowing/stopping and signaling); which a cautious driver would likely use more effectively than I would assume someone who just drives how they think other people are expecting them to would.
Being cautious is correct. Being unpredictable because you’re driving abnormally is super dangerous.
The reason we have a driving system is so that everyone knows that to expect from everyone else. If you operate outside of that system you’re a danger to yourself and everyone else.
Literally what I said
No… It’s not
Assuming binary options of cautiousness (either you can be cautious or not) and only one being correct, ‘being cautious is correct’ is equivalent to NOT ‘being cautious is incorrect’. Which is what I said.
It’s not a binary option. It’s a spectrum. You need to be cautious while driving, which is correct. You CAN be TOO cautious, which is in itself incorrect.
Stop being a pedant.
Can’t speak for other nations, but driving is pretty much mandatory in most parts of the U.S. And the parts that have good transit and/or walkability are also the more expensive areas. Our car-centric infrastructure is very ableist.
They say that driving is a privilege. But not having to drive is also a privilege.
on the one hand, fuck you for your gatekeeping bullshit. You obviously don’t understand how nearly every developed country has built infrastructure to exclusively allow car eccentric transportation. Busses, if they exist, suck ass. Bike lanes, if they exist, are also terrible. If you don’t have a car, you can’t live.
On the other hand, almost nobody should be in personal cars. Public transportation fucking sucks and needs to be massively improved so that people like whom you responded to don’t need to drive.
edit: bring on your downvotes, I’m right and you can’t handle it.
Seriusly, if you cant filter information or you are not able to react to your surroundings please dont drive. Half a second of reaction time more is a lot when you are driving a 2 ton car with 100kmh around… that si rhe reason drunk driving is not allowed or driving while high…
I live in freedumb land so cars are the only reliable option. I’d love to use public transit, but doing so would require me to at least drive to a park and ride, and the bus system where I live is unreliable. I’d love to immigrate to a country that isn’t car brained, but I don’t have the resources.
If you can’t drive don’t get behind the wheel
I’d gladly opt out of driving if it were reasonable to do so. Give us transit and proper bicycle infrastructure so I that don’t risk getting pancaked but some fuckwit driver with their nose in their phone.
Note that I’ve been driving for over a quarter century without collision or moving violation, so not so much a skill issue per se.
It sounds like you’re disabled in this area, and it’s unfair that the world is not more accommodating.
“Change the world to accommodate my disability and I’ll quit being a hazard to people’s life, limb, and property” is not an acceptable attitude.
It sounds like you’re disabled in this area
I’m not quite sure how you got that from my original comment: “Note that I’ve been driving for over a quarter century without collision or moving violation, so not so much a skill issue per se.”
My bad, mistook your reply as being from the top level comment OP.
If the crosswalk is designed properly, a car approaching a traffic circle should only need to look at traffic, because the crosswalk would be well in front of the traffic circle. Once you pass the crosswalk, there only reason to stop is if there’s a car in the way.
That’s the great thing about traffic circles, they reduce the sensory input so drivers only need to worry about one thing at a time. At a regular intersection, you need to worry about pedestrians and potentially cars coming from two directions.
The safest thing to do at a traffic circle is enter and exit as efficiently as possible. If you stop unnecessarily, it’ll take longer to get your car moving (increasing accident risk in the circle) and potentially cause backups in other intersections behind you.
Most of the roundabouts near me have the crosswalks right up by the circle, so you’d have to either stop on top of the crosswalk, or stop with it in front of you. If you stopped with the crosswalk behind you, you’d be in the circle.
And I do look at the circle ahead of time and will go if it is clear, but if it isn’t then I do stop, and it happens to take me longer to make a decision as to when I am good to go than most other people.
If I didn’t live in freedumb land, I wouldn’t drive, but driving is the only reliable option here.
Yeah, US infrastructure is pretty crappy, I live here too. Traffic circles, when they exist, are poorly implemented and in stupid places.
One super annoying one is about 100ft from a traffic light, and the traffic always gets backed up into the circle. If that intersection was also a traffic circle it wouldn’t be an issue. But it’s right next to two high traffic stores (Walmart and Home Depot), and is the best way to get to several others, so it’s always stuck.
The rest are really far from traffic, so there’s not enough traffic to actually get much benefit. Yet people still screw them up.
We really need to double down and put traffic circles in important areas so people learn to use them. Instead, we hide them away and put them in stupid spots.
Then there is this cluster fuck of a roundabout in my city Lansing, MI. Yes they do have a full STOP sign at each entrance to the roundabout for the crosswalk not just a stop for pedestrians which would make more sense. So you have to stop then yield to circle traffic then go. The entire roundabout is useless because once you stop you lose the benefit.
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That’s a traffic circle, they all suck.
Those crosswalks are too close to the circle, move that back and remove the stop signs.
The roundabout that I cross every day to go to work has the crosswalk even closer.
Ew.
hostile infrastructure. if you’re not in a car then fuck you.
I hate it.
I thought that referred to anti homeless spikes
included, but not limited to.
I love roundabouts as a driver and as a pedestrian. I do admit that the double laned ones can feel like an utter cluster at times though
Yeah I’m a fan.
My city has no traffic lights. Roundabouts everywhere. It’s not a particularly big city.
There are some problems but in general I think everyone gets where they’re going a lot quicker.
I have The Perfect Round-A-Bout for you.
It’s insane. It’s also brilliant.
Gotta be aggressive for those
Alternative scenario: C starts entering, A decides to FUCKING FLOOR IT, slams into C
Ive had the ‘pink’ car stop in the roundabout and motion, me as the ‘A’ car, to go. Like i dont even anymore.
There are specific times when this might be appropriate. For example if I am turning off at the exit after where the car is joining from, I can see they’re indicating to making a move around the inner part of the roundabout which is clear, and if I proceeded I would join a queue for my exit and block them. I’ll usually stop short and gesture they move in.
But otherwise it’s usually safer all round to stick to the rules.
I’ve never seen a roundabout with a queue
Really? I see them when travelling to London all the time. I used to live in London too. A very common occurrence and if you want to keep traffic moving, allowing people that can proceed to do so, just makes sense to me.
Just give the one finger salute.
When I have a Car D behind me, it’s because they overestimate my car’s acceleration capabilities.
