Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.

Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.

The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.

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    Trump has a team of people who dedicated time, energy, and resources, to find a loophole around a ban on torture.

    That sums up this administration’s direction pretty succinctly.

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      I agree, but there’s a difference. Trump is a figurehead. It’s not his team. Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation are the “deep state” that the right voters were convinced were controlling them through the dems. Peter Thiel, Putin, the Koch, Scaife, Uihlein, Bradley families and/or foundations, Barre Seid, Leonard Leo, Coors, Walmart, Exxon mobile, etc etc they’re all financing and guiding the hydra.

      Trump goes away and Peter Thiel wormtongues Vance into doing the same shit

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      its a great distraction for the dumpy supporters, so they arnt focused on the actual things that mattered.

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    Orange hitler needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison for his previous and current crimes.

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      I was hoping this would happen after his first term. However it will never, ever, EVER, happen. There just isn’t anyone with a spine who will do anything about him.

      Now I’m hoping he gets a debilitating stroke/heart attack.
      Or a long painful death. Colon cancer is fine, anything that can’t be treated.
      Last resort is assassination, not because I’m above such things or find it distasteful etc. I was, but not anymore. No, it’s because if that happens then it’ll probably be quick and painless. And that racist rapist kiddie fiddler doesn’t fucking deserve that mercy.

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        Assassination would stop him from hurting people quicker than cancer. Even if he had a stroke that debilitated him he wouldn’t get impeached, he’d just effectively be a more obedient puppet.

        Not to mention, assassination sends a message to his peers too. As much as I want him to suffer, I think a quick assassination would be more effective.

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          Work is your entire livelihood in this country for most people. They have workers by the neck, daring you to step out of line so they can leave you to die on the streets. I don’t blame people for attempting to survive.

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            And ignoring your neighbors as well. As if those with extra couldn’t help those without so everyone can come together and fight your dictator. That’s the only way any of this works and history has shown by far, bullets are the best and most often only way to depose a fascist. But you would have to help people you don’t know and that’s awfully socialist and goes against everything you have ever been told by your government and oligarchs.

            Organization would solve many of these problems but if you never go out and meet like minded people with the same goals how do you organize?

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                Then there isn’t a reason to continue living like that and the only way to change it is to force it or die in a camp. I am Canadian. I am also disabled. My family has nothing. I’d haul my cripple ass out there. I am now and my situation is vastly different then yours. Can I afford it, fuck no. When you have nothing already there are no more excuses.

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      You could look at it from the perspective of the moral foundations.

      • Care/harm✅
      • Fairness/cheating✅
      • Loyalty?/betrayal?
      • Authority?/subversion?
      • Sanctity?/degradation?
      • Liberty/oppression✅

      Only about half of these are clear to me. I think Trump needs to step up his game if he wants to get to the worst outcome possible.

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        It wasn’t taken care of then, which is why we’re dealing with it now. After all, we have to mOvE oN aNd LoOk To ThE fUtUrE iNsTeAd Of DwElLiNg On ThE pAsT.

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    Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

    Legal or not, why are you looking for excuses to torture people?

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    According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.

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      Shit. That is going to work. The SCOTUS will want to suck Trumps balls a little after telling him “no” 5-6 times … to make it up to him. I bet they are going to pass this.

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    The fact that the riots have only just started, and for something that has been going on for months, says a lot about the citizens of the US. I have no faith in any of you.

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        Just to add to your point of the size of the US, I recently traveled from San Bernardino California to Salmon Idaho in my 2001 Toyota Tacoma. Even avoiding high traffic areas like Utah it was still rough, that’s with it being a more or less straight line through Nevada, only 20 fucking hours.

        Honestly I suspect that this will be both a boon and a curse for resistance as time goes on, since it does heavily restrict how fast you can physically move people around. This means any response time by the feds is going to be decently lagged out.

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            Hey at least its broadly to our advantage, between the Routes, Highways, Biways, and Interstates there’s basically no way to lock down a county let alone a state without immediately overextending your manpower massively. This ain’t the Soviets in WW2 where the Germans could just knock and the railway and isolate a city.

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      People really don’t want to believe that there is no electoral solution anymore. People really don’t want to believe that it’s too late to save the illusion of peace any longer. This is a late af wake up call to how incredibly fucked we are, and many people will still hit snooze.

      For what it’s worth, speech doesn’t mean as much anymore, as we now live in a time where violence is the dominant form of power. For this reason, peaceful protests will do little, and mass riots can easily help the oppressors escalate even further. Fighting the incredibly militarized federal and local governments is practically untenable. Over half a century of cowardly libs empowering anti-riot forces has made this a nightmare scenario for resistance.

      There is so little recourse at this point that the best thing we can do is prioritize not dying so we can outlive Trump’s reign. We’ll need luck and cooperation to survive the infectious diseases, natural disasters, and economic devastation that the state will do less than nothing to mitigate. It’s up to us to support each other, because there is no social contract left.

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    Pretty tough talk from the orange dude that vociferously whines about reporters asking “nasty” questions.

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    I’d be happy if he got his wish and then magically disappeared and we heard rumors of him being waterboarded for fun. I’d do it myself.