Plenty of ex cons or people in shitty situations in general do their best to get by without directly harming people, by having or gaining morals and trying to genuinely be a good person.
Taking the path of least resistance in terms of ‘career options’ just makes you a bully and a coward.
I am a person who has gone homeless and hungry, from being the victim of these kinds of people… I’ve never hurt anybody, I put up with all the bullshit and paperwork and constant harassment from every member of society that comes along with being homeless, and managed to crawl my way back to not being homeless, and doing PT, and repairing my credit after having my wallet/bank cards/id stolen.
I have infinitely negative sympathy for people who have actually done crimes and then victimize more people out of the mere fear of ending up dispossed.
Fuck, they could just go work on the farms instead, that would be a legitimate line of work, lots of job openings there!
Your logic is horrendous and allows for a society where anyone doing anything shitty for basically any reason can be pearl clutched and crocodile tear’d away by unduly sympathizing with their personal sob story.
You really think you’d feel the same if these ex con neo nazis fucks busted down your door and sent you to GITMO, CECOT, or Alligator Auschwitz, simply on account of your skin being too melinated and you having a foreign sounding last name?
Gimme a break.
You gonna sympathize with their victims? Write an opinion piece from their perspective?
You are doing apologia for the modern Gestapo, that shit didn’t fly at Nuremberg, if it flies with you now, you’re a fascist apologist.
These motherfuckers looked a job description that read ‘You will routinely carry out crimes against humanity’ and said 'Hell yeah, sign me up!"
They deserve all the sympathy of the Nazis captured by the Inglorious Basterds, tap tap tap goes the baseball bat.
EDIT: But hey, at least your user name is apt, Sanctimonious Ape.
How very absolutist of you. The real world isn’t so black and white as your idealistic view of things. There’s nuance to everything, and to go straight to labeling me as a “fascist apologist” for recognizing that fact makes you no better than any other the other propagandists. Black & white judgements of people are designed to separate us into camps where each thinks they’re better than the others, rather than recognizing the humanity in all of us making us all rather imperfect.
EDIT: also, how convenient of you to ignore the fact I acknowledged that most were likely indeed into the job. No, you’re not manipulative at all. 🙄
Regarding your edit: I probably haven’t moved my profile description over from Reddit, but it went something along the lines of “to ‘ape’ is an old term used as a verb for imitation, so I’m ‘aping’ your sanctimoniousness, and giving it right back to you.”
Oh what a suprise you’re a reddit power user, I am shocked, shocked I say, to find such a person being a fascist apologist via dubious rhetorical manipulation!
Yeah, many situations have nuance.
I have considered, and indeed, first hand experienced the ‘nuance’ that you describe and now hint at, and find it hollow.
You are obviously an extremely privileged perma online person, who delights in being theoretically morally superior in all situations, not actually giving a fuck about the plain and obvious injustice of a situation.
Yes you truly have mastered the art of sanctimonious aping, bravo at being a completely insufferable ass.
You can’t seriously be trying to deploy the ‘you’re doing black and white logic’ tactic when… you yourself acknowledge that these people are into it, that they voluntarily engage in it, and also just utterly ignore that I’ve personally known many drug addicts, ex cons, who have ended up homeless, and actually did their damndest to get off drugs, to go straight/legit, to recover, that they walked the hard path because it was the right path.
Again, I can only hope that ‘nuance’ visits your doorstep and impacts your life personally, because you are obviously a disingenuous, solipsistic troll who can’t learn anything until it hits them in face like a brick.
Kindly fuck off back to reddit, most of lemmy is really doing its best to be rid of people like you.
People like you are the reason I’m here, so the same in kind. I have to get going now, so rant away. Your lengthy diatribes just lend credence to my point, anyway. Only bullies try to overwhelm everyone else’s perspectives with so many assumptions resulting in so much BS.
Aggrandizing yourself is not the flex you think it is. Your selective concern trolling is nothing but a push to divert the issue at hand to make yourself feel better, or more sinister, a part of a subtle propaganda machine to stop people from pushing back.
You should sit at the front lines amongst the ones being affected and we’ll see how your statements stand up.
Again, another absolutist - at least you recognize some nuance.
I never said any of this was okay. I did recognize that there are likely some among them who are simply people trying to survive who saw an easy to get job that paid reasonably well & decided to put up with the crap in order to get the money they needed. They aren’t likely educated enough to understand the full moral implications, and too pressured by life’s demands to spend much time caring about them. Once they’re in, I’m sure there’s plenty of “team building” manipulation that helps keep them there.
I’m sure to you that makes them evil, but I think ignoring the fact they’re human just propagates the hate and division. Like I said earlier, I’m sure they’re not saints, but they may not be so far gone that respecting their humanity would be a waste of time. Some of them probably just needed support they weren’t getting elsewhere. If you actually want to change their mind, you’ve first got to understand what got their mind there to begin with. Treating them as subhuman isn’t going to get you very far. You can respect the person without respecting their job.
Nah, fuck em.
Plenty of ex cons or people in shitty situations in general do their best to get by without directly harming people, by having or gaining morals and trying to genuinely be a good person.
Taking the path of least resistance in terms of ‘career options’ just makes you a bully and a coward.
I am a person who has gone homeless and hungry, from being the victim of these kinds of people… I’ve never hurt anybody, I put up with all the bullshit and paperwork and constant harassment from every member of society that comes along with being homeless, and managed to crawl my way back to not being homeless, and doing PT, and repairing my credit after having my wallet/bank cards/id stolen.
I have infinitely negative sympathy for people who have actually done crimes and then victimize more people out of the mere fear of ending up dispossed.
Fuck, they could just go work on the farms instead, that would be a legitimate line of work, lots of job openings there!
Your logic is horrendous and allows for a society where anyone doing anything shitty for basically any reason can be pearl clutched and crocodile tear’d away by unduly sympathizing with their personal sob story.
You really think you’d feel the same if these ex con neo nazis fucks busted down your door and sent you to GITMO, CECOT, or Alligator Auschwitz, simply on account of your skin being too melinated and you having a foreign sounding last name?
Gimme a break.
You gonna sympathize with their victims? Write an opinion piece from their perspective?
You are doing apologia for the modern Gestapo, that shit didn’t fly at Nuremberg, if it flies with you now, you’re a fascist apologist.
These motherfuckers looked a job description that read ‘You will routinely carry out crimes against humanity’ and said 'Hell yeah, sign me up!"
They deserve all the sympathy of the Nazis captured by the Inglorious Basterds, tap tap tap goes the baseball bat.
EDIT: But hey, at least your user name is apt, Sanctimonious Ape.
How very absolutist of you. The real world isn’t so black and white as your idealistic view of things. There’s nuance to everything, and to go straight to labeling me as a “fascist apologist” for recognizing that fact makes you no better than any other the other propagandists. Black & white judgements of people are designed to separate us into camps where each thinks they’re better than the others, rather than recognizing the humanity in all of us making us all rather imperfect.
EDIT: also, how convenient of you to ignore the fact I acknowledged that most were likely indeed into the job. No, you’re not manipulative at all. 🙄
Regarding your edit: I probably haven’t moved my profile description over from Reddit, but it went something along the lines of “to ‘ape’ is an old term used as a verb for imitation, so I’m ‘aping’ your sanctimoniousness, and giving it right back to you.”
Oh what a suprise you’re a reddit power user, I am shocked, shocked I say, to find such a person being a fascist apologist via dubious rhetorical manipulation!
Yeah, many situations have nuance.
I have considered, and indeed, first hand experienced the ‘nuance’ that you describe and now hint at, and find it hollow.
You are obviously an extremely privileged perma online person, who delights in being theoretically morally superior in all situations, not actually giving a fuck about the plain and obvious injustice of a situation.
Yes you truly have mastered the art of sanctimonious aping, bravo at being a completely insufferable ass.
You can’t seriously be trying to deploy the ‘you’re doing black and white logic’ tactic when… you yourself acknowledge that these people are into it, that they voluntarily engage in it, and also just utterly ignore that I’ve personally known many drug addicts, ex cons, who have ended up homeless, and actually did their damndest to get off drugs, to go straight/legit, to recover, that they walked the hard path because it was the right path.
Again, I can only hope that ‘nuance’ visits your doorstep and impacts your life personally, because you are obviously a disingenuous, solipsistic troll who can’t learn anything until it hits them in face like a brick.
Kindly fuck off back to reddit, most of lemmy is really doing its best to be rid of people like you.
People like you are the reason I’m here, so the same in kind. I have to get going now, so rant away. Your lengthy diatribes just lend credence to my point, anyway. Only bullies try to overwhelm everyone else’s perspectives with so many assumptions resulting in so much BS.
Aggrandizing yourself is not the flex you think it is. Your selective concern trolling is nothing but a push to divert the issue at hand to make yourself feel better, or more sinister, a part of a subtle propaganda machine to stop people from pushing back.
You should sit at the front lines amongst the ones being affected and we’ll see how your statements stand up.
Again, another absolutist - at least you recognize some nuance.
I never said any of this was okay. I did recognize that there are likely some among them who are simply people trying to survive who saw an easy to get job that paid reasonably well & decided to put up with the crap in order to get the money they needed. They aren’t likely educated enough to understand the full moral implications, and too pressured by life’s demands to spend much time caring about them. Once they’re in, I’m sure there’s plenty of “team building” manipulation that helps keep them there.
I’m sure to you that makes them evil, but I think ignoring the fact they’re human just propagates the hate and division. Like I said earlier, I’m sure they’re not saints, but they may not be so far gone that respecting their humanity would be a waste of time. Some of them probably just needed support they weren’t getting elsewhere. If you actually want to change their mind, you’ve first got to understand what got their mind there to begin with. Treating them as subhuman isn’t going to get you very far. You can respect the person without respecting their job.