Turning Point USA spokesman Andrew Kolvet on Saturday said Charlie Kirk’s surgeon called it an “absolute miracle” that the bullet that killed him didn’t exit his body because dozens of people were standing behind him when he was shot.
“I want to address some of the discussion about the lack of an exit wound with Charlie. I’m usually not interested in delving into most of this kind of online chatter, and I apologize this is somewhat graphic, but in this case, the fact that there wasn’t an exit wound is probably another miracle, and I want people to know,” Kolvet, the executive producer of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” wrote in a lengthy post on X.
Republicans and Democrats agree: Charlie’s body is fantastic at stopping bullets.
Is this a right wing phenomenon?? More studies are required!
Toilet paper USA confirms that God wanted Charlie Kirk dead so he could use the event to show of his powers a little.
deleted by creator
This is their Blutfahne, their Blood Flag. It’s mythmaking - you just have to get people outraged enough and they’ll believe pretty much anything they’re presented with. I truly believe they had all this in the tank for when Trump keeled over (actually I think they were drawing this up before he nearly bought it in Butler PA), but martyrdom is a POWERFUL force, especially in a critical mass of people who are primed for martyr culture in the way the largely-white-supremacist-flavored American Evangelical communities are. The GOP is pissed that nobody successfully took a shot at Reagan, either Bush, or Trump I, so now they’re latching on in an attempt to get SOME gas on the fire before it burns out.
Removed by mod
Well in north korea they are forced to worship their great leader and/or don’t know anything else. Americans do it for no reason at all.
To be fair, killing Kirk probably did save some lives
Thats some grade A BS
I’ll admit it’s pretty tenuous, but if it at all helps prevent the US’s descent into fascism then I’ll have been right.
No way to be totally sure without a crystal ball that sees alternate timelines, though.
You’re only digging deeper… it’s not likely that killing one man is “but if it at all helps prevent the US’s descent into fascism” noooo… dont even go there. Soon we’ll be rounding political decenters. If he were fascist, His death wouldn’t prevent the US from descending into fascism, especially now that he would be a martyr for fascism. You cant justify murdering someone because they might be indirectly involved in future deaths. He has never promoted violence. No, no excuses why his murder was ok. It was not ok. For anyone.
I said it was tenuous.
When someone that promotes gun violence and decries justice to its victims dies by gun violence, it’s not a tragedy; it’s poetic justice. Unless you mean it’s alright to live by the sword, but wrong to die by the sword.
You’re one who’s been poisoned. He didn’t do anything close to “promote gun violence”, especially to the point of justifying assassinations.
“It’s not a tragedy; it’s poetic justice.” Such a disgusting take… have you no humanity?
He certainly didn’t “live by the sword”, he was a debater. Usually a mass-debater. (I had to). If you do anything other than abhor and disapprove of CK’s brutal public assassination, you need to inspect your heart and mind, because something isn’t lining up.
Let me ask you, out of curiosity, when people said intolerance must be met with intolerance; what did you think that looked like? Peace? Tears? Or do you even understand the Paradox of Tolerance? All my sympathy goes to the victims and families of the victims of the actual tragedy that happened that day. The school shooting in Colorado. I guess I just have nothing left to spare for a fascist mouth piece.
Oh yuck… oh you ran out of sympathy, or you’re a sociopath. Fair argument is guess.
when people said intolerance must be met with intolerance
Lol. And who said that? No one, you just made it up, and its not true. Intolerance doesn’t have to be met with Intolerance. The is objectively weak and pathetic. To be clear, exactly what “Intolerance” are we talking about right now?
This is literally physically impossible, by the way, to make comport with the current official story.
There is 0 chance a 30.06 round fired from 150 yards would stop ‘just under the skin’.
A 30.06 at 500 yards can blow apart the bones of an elk or moose.
Literally 0 chance that what is being described is physically possible.
Have you seen the ballistics gel videos on YouTube? The entire human head explodes
Yes I’ve seen it, but that is from a shot hitting roughly dead between the eyes.
Yes, that is what a 30.06 would do had it entered there… but what we are being told is that it entered around where the neck meets the shoulders, on Kirk’s left side of his neck.
When bullets of sufficient energy hit a human head, the head tends to basically crack like an egg.
The neck / clavicle region would not… explode to quite that same degree, but the wound should be larger for a 30.06, roughly at least the size of a soft ball should be completely blown out of his neck area.
Yeah should be a spectacular exit wound, especially so if it hit bone like the doctor claims?
Yeah.
So… this means…
Either it was actually Robinson who took the shot, but not with a 30.06…
Or… It wasn’t Robinson, and there was another / different shooter, Kirk was not actually shot from the front, the blood geyser was an exit wound, not an entry wound, again from not a 30.06, but with a smaller caliber and different bullet trajectory, where the bullet could actually have made the neck geyser wound, and then lodged itself not too far away, near the skin … and Robinson is being set up as a patsy…
Or, whoever this surgeon is, is lying.
Or, the TPUSA person claiming some surgeon said this, is lying.
EDIT:
It is also probably worth mentioning that uh, Netanyahu denied Israel was involved in the shooting… before anyone made that accusation.
Because we all know everything Israel and Mossad does is above board, totally morally perfect in all ways.
Netanyahu’s response comes after MAGA commentators have claimed Kirk was privately far more critical of Netanyahu’s Israeli government than he let on publicly.
See, nobody of major prominence on the right wing had actually said ‘I think Israel killed Kirk’ before Netanyahu denied killing Kirk.
What people on the right were saying was that relations between Kirk and some Israeli donors had gotten tense in the days and weeks prior.
… But nobody had actually directly said or implied that Israel killed Kirk… but Netanyahu felt compelled to deny that, explicitly.
And just in case anyone reading this needs a refresher on how words work:
Israel != All Jews
Anti-Zionism != Anti-Semitism
Also, most American Jews are uh, you know, highly critical of Israel’s ongoing genocide… its white evangelicals that have a hard on for Israel, by way of hating Muslims, and the destruction of Israel being necessary for their apocalyptic end times prophecy.
Also also, Tiktok is currently ablaze with a mass religious/spiritual psychosis trend of many American Christians believing the rapture, the apocalypse, is going to happen on… this upcoming Tuesday.
Mhm. Yep. This all seems very normal.
From what I’ve heard in the endless discourse from unverified sources, he was wearing plates because he was afraid his new stances on a certain topic would get him killed, which is why the sniper went for the neck
What you’ve heard is wrong.
You would have been able to see the outline of plate armor imprinting under his clothes.
Instead, you can see his nipples poking through his fairly thin white shirt.
Would make sense, not going to watch that video again to double check.
Its been bad enough that I’ve had to spend the past five or so years navigating the internet between ethnic cleansings (there are multiple currently happening, West Papua is being bombed as we speak), war crimes and police killings.
I’m sure it’s doing wonderful things to the brains of the people actively watching
Not only that btw, but the armor needed to stop a 30-06 is NIJ level IV rated, like these. Thick bois. Not only could it have taken out a moose at 5x the distance, at that distance it would have blown through level III plates, much less soft armor that’d be concealable. And none of that helps when the round hits your unarmored neck lol.
I have also seen videos of guntubers actually testing the same caliber and range, against a level 4 plate, and they aim the shot at the top edge of the plate, such that it could maybe kind of plausibly do the internet theorized ‘it bounced off his plate into his neck’ test.
Yeah, the top chunk of the plate breaks off.
Not even level 4 plate is guaranteed to totally stop a 30.06 at such a close range.
And we… would have seen a chunk of plate blowing off in the up close, higher res videos.
True, it’d have to pretty much be a square hit especially at that distance (but it is rated by the NIJ to stop two 30-06 black tips, supposedly at 15m.)
Lol, add a tactical phonebook, just to be safe.
Sure, but have you considered jesus?
Funny suggestion, coming from, ostensibly, a Slaaneshi cultist.
With that logic, God could have stopped it a few inches sooner, but chose not to.
Could have deflected it by few inches and saved him but apparently the guy behind was more worthy of a miracle.
I guess its RIP for Charlie “Tiny Face” Kirk.
Uh. No one was standing behind him.
And where was this miracle when all those people were killed around Trump? Did they get medals and statues?
Since these kinds of people love to shoehorn divine intention into everything, what does that specific case mean?
That Kirk was the only person there that God thought needed to die?
deleted by creator
A .30-06 round at 150 yards didn’t exit his body. Right.
Haven’t watched this frame-by-frame take on the ballistics, but I would think a 30.06 would blow half his neck off. There is a frame I looked for while skimming, and oh yeah, his neck expands.
First time I shot a 30.06 my buddy and I were drilling holes in 3/8", high quality steel. Looked like we used a drill press, wasn’t even jagged on the exit side.
Correct, the scenario we are being presented with, with this latest detail, is laughably impossible, if one has any experience with shooting this caliber.
Not implausible.
Impossible.
A straight on shot from a 30.06 at 150 yards, yes, would have blown off a chunk of his neck at least the size of orange, a soft ball.
It is completely impossible that a 30.06 would have just stopped barely under the skin, stopped by a collar bone or vertebrae.
A 30.06 at 150 yards makes entire cinder blocks explode.
No human bone can withstand this intact, none, full stop, this is not a question, a 30.06 at 150 yards has approximately 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy, more than double that of 5.56 at the same range, any human bone a 30.06 hits from 150 yards away would shatter and explode within the body, the bone fragments tearing through the body, probably also erupting out of the skin.
And before anyone comments this: No, Kirk was not wearing body armor, you would have been able to see plate armor on his chest leaving tell tale imprinting signs with that light shirt he was wearing, and you can just literally see his man nipples through the shirt.
Anything less than level 4 plate would have been blown directly through by a 30.06, it would not result in a ricochet into his neck as I keep seeing people say.
(And realistically, level 4 plate might not even hold up to a 30.06 at that range.)
Most of right wing gun tube is currently extremely pissed off over this ‘news’, as … they tend to shoot targets on video for a living.
And anyone can go right now and watch them show you how impossible this described scenario is.
This is absolute horseshit, it is an obvious lie.
My immediate assumption was that it was 5.56 or 2.23. No analyzing it in the moment I saw the video, just seemed reasonable at the time. Didn’t notice there was no obvious exit wound.
If you showed me that video for the first time and said, “The round was a 30.06.”, I’d laugh in your face.
The facts the FBI has presented are laughable on many points. If this guy has a solid lawyer, I can see him sowing a shitload of doubt in the minds of the jurors. As it stands, with what I know in this moment, I’d let him walk. This evidence is far too smelly to be beyond reasonable doubt.
Anyway, I’m off to finally watch that video.
My initial guess was .270 or .243, out of a common bolt action hunting rifle.
Now, I have no fucking clue what has actually happened, all I know is the narrative the government and admin connected right wingers are going with is impossible.
Steve Bannon, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones are all calling bullshit on this as well.
Not that I trust them as reliable sources, but large parts of the right are not buying this either.
If you are going to watch the video, up close, and you have PTSD or cannot handle gore well… fucking be ready.
I had a legit PTSD panic attack watching the fucking geyser of blood leave from his neck.
Its fucking bad, if you’ve ever seen anything like that in real life.
EDIT
Also, another whole fucking weird oddity is that Robinson’s family has not actually gotten him a lawyer.
Robinson is still, right now, trying to get a public attorney assigned to him.
Yeah, thats right, he does not even have any legal counsel at the moment.
Wonder if the Epstein files are thick enough to stop a bullet
As a commemoration release the files and copy them to Mythbusters this.
Redacted, they are two thin pages.
I mean if it deformed enough to curve into bone I’m pretty sure we don’t call it a miracle we call it fluid dynamics.
Either it didn’t, and this is a lie, or the bullet that hit Kirk was not a 30.06 from ~150 yards.
Somebody is lying here.
Yes, lower caliber rounds can and do actually do what is being described.
Not a 30.06. A 30.06 will blow apart a cinder block at that range, easily.
A 30.06 at 150 yards has about 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy.
A .22lr pistol round is much more likely to do what is being described here… even from less than 50 yards, you’re talking more like 100 FT/LBs of KE.
A 9mm at less than 50 yards? Around 250 FT/LBs.
5.56mm? At 150 yards? ~950 FT/LBs.
Again, a 30.06 at 150 yards is ~2200 FT/LBs.
The actual physics of fluid dynamics and composite materials do not work with the scenario we are being told happened.
You know. I hadn’t thought about that. I’ve seen that round hit a deer, and my thinking before was that it instantly killed the deer sort of like Kirk.
But that hole was much bigger and it was knocked clear off its feet. Like it got hit by a car.
Kirk was still sitting upright and the would was far too small.
Yeah, I am enough of a gun nerd, and video game /software nerd, that I have actually made more than one milsim level ballistics simulations as mods or sort of toy models from which to then try and optimize down to something that could work in realtime with many players as a reasonably true to life ballistics and player damage / effects model.
And I’ve also shot a decent bit in real life.
I actually originally taught myself matrix algebra and transforms simply to be able to properly do richochets as a Source mod, way way back.
… Maybe not quite the same degree of fidelity as the people that code say, the actual material physics simulations used to model exactly what different tank rounds would do to exactly what kind of tank armor, how much spalling there would be…
But yeah.
The scenario we are being presented with is indeed miraculous, as in, it completely defies the laws of physics and is literally impossible.
Like, the reason world militaries went down from something like a 30.06 as a mainline infantry combat round, down to something closer to a 5.56 … is that a 30.06 is massive overkill when it comes to killing a human.
You do not need that much power, you rarely need that much range, that much recoil, you can down caliber and still be very deadly, but also now your soldiers have a lighter weapon, more ammo, and can more easily get off multiple, accurate, lethal shots in a shorter time frame.
You do not need your entire armed force to be equipped with roughly ‘sniper rifles’.
You know who is well known for covert assassinations with .22LR rounds? And preemptively denied involvement?
I actually don’t know that, what is your answer?
The Mossad, Israeli special forces
Awesome.
Wonderful.
I love this timeline.
… God damnit.
not in this country we don’t 😤⛪🙏
I knew it. I knew Charlie’s Mom was special.
They 100% are going to use this to try and make him a Saint.
He was 🤏 this close to becoming a Catholic.
But he wasn’t. So he’s unlikely to be granted sainthood.
Won’t stop these mouth breathers from trying.
I suppose it’s because you need to have a confirmed miracle in order to have him made a saint.
What surgeon? He was declared at the scene. Are they talking about the coroner?
He was not declared dead at the scene, Trump was actually the person who broke the news that Kirk was dead, about an hour after the shooting, maybe 45 to 30 minutes after Kirk arrived at the hospital… he was reported as in critical condition, but likely already dead…
…but uh yeah, yeah it would be nice to know who this surgeon was, or, you know, maybe get us a fucking autopsy report?
I thought it was Netanyahu? Or did they post at roughly the same time?
Exactly the same time, the same minute
Uh.
I was unaware of that.
… Well that’s fucking odd.
Oh no.
