• SmoochyPit@lemmy.ca
      37·
      2 months ago

      Maybe OP knew all along that they wanted to use the previous package list to upgrade and fetch the new one after! Maybe we’re all actually inverting it…

      (I’m just being silly, I recognize that an old package list would probably cause issues with installing or upgrading packages.)

      • groet@feddit.org
        7·
        2 months ago

        (I’m just being silly, I recognize that an old package list would probably cause issues with installing or upgrading packages.)

        No problems anywhere you can always install older versions from a repo.

        Upgrade -> update two days ago and then again today will leave me with exactly the same packages as it would if I ran it correctly the first time and then not at all today. Just the state of two days ago.

      • MimicJar@lemmy.world
        18·
        2 months ago

        I mean technically you did “update” the OS. It wasn’t a particularly useful command by going second, but I bet it was fast.

        • groet@feddit.org
          2·
          2 months ago

          If you run it like that every day you will always be one day behind in packages. Not realy that big of a problem (unless on an internet facing server)

      • dev_null@lemmy.ml
        5·
        2 months ago

        It’s fine! You were trying to show how Windows is better because you can’t make a mistake like that and succeeded!

        I’m joking

    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      2 months ago

      That’s the best part of this post. Windows is fully automatic, while on Linux you need to tell apart two terminal commands with confusing naming.

      • eta@feddit.orgEnglish
        19·
        2 months ago

        Not necessarily. On Arch it’s just “sudo pacman -Syu” and on Fedora it’s just “sudo dnf update”.

          • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world
            6·
            2 months ago

            If you’re too stupid to remember one or two commands there are GUI applications available where you can click “a button” to update your system.

            Or make an alias with the update command and name it “update”. This works on every distro.

              • DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.world
                5·
                2 months ago

                If you can’t remember one or two commands then you are in fact stupid. With that said, Linux is for everyone.

                There are distros that have auto updates as a feature they ship (Linux Mint comes to mind). There are distros that are basically impossible to break and there are distros where you are responsible for building your own system and keeping it functioning. It all depends on your own needs. Linux gives you the freedom to choose and there are more than one way to do things.

      • moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub
        12·
        2 months ago

        On linux, you can do what you wish. You can use a desktop environment with a GUI software center that pops up a notification that prompts you to install updates. Or update by opening the software center and selecting the ones you want. Or use the terminal commands. Or write an alias so you can type “update” and have it execute all your commands in the right order. Or script it to run silently in the background on an automated schedule.

        And you can use your computer during updates, there’s no mandatory update during shutdown/boot.

        • primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexusEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          If I try to update my GPU while I’m running a game sometimes it falls back to integrated graphics and gets slow+warm til I restart. That’s a fuckup I just couldn’t make on windows. Sorry, checkmate fosscommie.

            • missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
              6·
              2 months ago

              fun fact: GPU drivers on Windows run in userspace, because MS got fed up with all the blue screens they caused and kicked them out of the kernel. if the GPU driver crashes, the screen will go dark for a second and then flick back on. if the GPU driver can’t restart then Windows will fall back to software rendering.

              • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
                3·
                2 months ago

                Which is what you see happening when updating or reinstalling a gpu driver.

                Funny thing is, gpu drivers can still cause a bsod by causing fuckups in the directx driver, which ive seen happen :')

      • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        On Mint I set up an automatic update schedule and have been double checking it when I think to. All GUI, no terminal commands. So far it’s been seamless. (Knock on wood)

      • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 months ago

        You think ive touched the apt commands in linux…?
        I mean, youre right, but thats because i like to be hands on. But i dont have to if i wanted :p

    • Storm@slrpnk.net
      7·
      2 months ago

      Thank you, I mostly use pacman but have Debian (rasbian?) on raspberry pi and was fully willing to believe I’d been updating it wrong this whole time

      • DacoTaco@lemmy.world
        5·
        2 months ago

        Op inverted. apt update updates the local package cache of apt so it knows what packages have updates. apt upgrade then installs those updates.

  • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    39·
    2 months ago

    Be me -

    Gets the Ok from IT to switch to a Linux Distro for my work desktop.

    Gets the Ok from my direct manager.

    Gets the Ok from our contracts manager who used to be in my direct managers position before.

    Direct manager reaches out to lead developer, who happens to be a windows fanboy, for the web app we use to ensure “compatibility”, gets told to be careful of what I do and our cybersecurity insurance won’t cover it.

    Be me, looking around at all the minuscule pieces of hardware connected to the internet likely running some form of Linux or Unix.

    • ByteOnBikes@discuss.online
      45·
      2 months ago

      It’s a fucking web app. Make sure it works for a browser. You suck as a web developer if your shit web app needs to work on a specific OS.

      And those are fighting words because I build web apps.

      • Technus@lemmy.zip
        11·
        2 months ago

        I’ve started noticing websites just to refuse to work on Linux:

        • Xfinity
        • Microsoft
        • United Airlines
        • American Airlines

        It’s not like some weird script error either. It’s straight up a 403 Forbidden on certain routes. Works perfectly fine if I switch to my Windows laptop. It’s like it took one look at my user agent string and decided I was a bot.

        • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          2 months ago

          Not saying you’re wrong, but if you’re running a VPN it could be that as well. More and more sites are demanding CAPTCHA tests and verification holds or just returning 403 for VPN access no matter what OS you are running.

      • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        Man they get really up in your business if you aren’t using Chrome and their dinky extension, that I swear he pulled from someone’s GitHub and rebranded as his own, which all it does is open file links in the file browser.

        I made a point by switching my user agent on Zen Browser to report as Chrome, Ubuntu haven’t heard a peep about it yet.

        Side note at one point in time the clock-in we use, which is also a web app, had its admin/manager panel exposed to everyone in the company, I reported it and all I got was a thanks.

    • Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      Install Windows - does updates as part of the installation process. Get to desktop and check for updates - more updates to install. Reboot and check for updates again - yet more updates.

    • groet@feddit.org
      4·
      2 months ago

      No it will update and once that is done it will shut down. But the update includes a restart so it will restart and then require you to type your password so it can finish the update, after which it will shut down.

  • LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world
    21·
    2 months ago

    It’s insanity. I had to upgrade my work laptop to windows 11 this week.

    IT didn’t do their research and turns out our main software isn’t compatible with windows 11 at all. So i had to downgrade back to windows 10. When i did, photos don’t work and the microsoft store wont open.

    Windows is such a horrible system, i have no idea why they made it so poorly. I could have installed any distro of linux and had it working well in less than 20 minutes. Upgrading to windows 11 took almost 2 hours and it still didn’t work.

    Now IT has to scramble to find a solution before the 14th and we lose all security updates, which they are very concerned about. What a nightmare to be in IT.

    • WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world
      12·
      2 months ago

      It’s always a nightmare being in IT lol

      Nobody ever calls to say, “Hey! Just wanted to let you know that my email is working great, keep up the good work!”

      We only hear from people when shit is broken.

      Being in a windows shop only makes it 100x more difficult and expensive.

    • underscores@lemmy.zipEnglish
      9·
      2 months ago

      That’s literally everything ever that is worth it.

      Imagine saying “I really wanna play piano but I just wish I understood how to play it better. I keep having to look up how to do things”.

    • felbane@lemmy.world
      5·
      2 months ago

      I had the same problem trying to use a Windows 11 laptop after running linux at home for years. Turns out the “looking stuff up” part is how you learn how to use it better.

  • alecsargent@lemmy.zip
    17·
    2 months ago

    Last week my brother had to use my laptop and install Rstudio(for some University project) because his Mac was too old and slow. I was out of home so I had to instruct him through the phone and I could hear his awe while he explained how easy was to install the program. He told me laughing that he could see the pacman and started to cheer for it, this made my day.

  • gari_9812@lemmy.world
    16·
    2 months ago

    Nothing like the joy of my system upgrading without a hassle… just need to press the up arrow key until I find the command… I’ll get there eventually

    • Bappity@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      2 months ago

      I did this until my coworker got annoyed enough that they told me to start using history | grep lmaoo

      • felbane@lemmy.world
        7·
        2 months ago

        Or ctrl+r and start typing what you’re searching for, and repeat ctrl+r to find the next newest match.

        For example, [C-r] ssh [C-r] [C-r] will auto fill the 3rd most recent ssh command you’ve run. Try it, your life will be filled with rainbows and unicorns.

      • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
        3·
        2 months ago

        There are even better ways built into the shell, but I can never remember any of them. I also never thought of history|grep, I think I might actually remember that one. Thanks!

    • BlueKey@fedia.io
      2·
      2 months ago

      fish shell and you can type the first chars of the command and it will show an autocompleate.