We need to swiftly transform No Kings from a Democratic Party spectacle to a grass roots resistance movement.
Article has a point. No kings should embrace local activists who are actually doing things on the ground rather than the corporate politicians who got us in this mess in the first place.
Also be nice to see it turn into kind of a grassroots movement rather than acting as a relief valve for political action.
Yeah my governor gave a speech and he is a democrat and hes great. We got a scrappy young women running this year. I welcome everyone who wants to stop the violation of our constitution and laws by the executive. IE anyone against this attempted facist takeover.
I am sure the governer of your state could find other venues to campaign.
I think it would be infinitely more helpful to let the people on the ground (volunteers and activists that are feeding people and providing other services to those in need while our government flounders) address the people and really humanize the issues while presenting solutions isolated from government shenanigans. We can all help out and do more than working with the DNC and its only solution of electoralism.
I mean if you mean the way washington compaigned for president in the revolutionary war. Our state is being invaded and he is doing a good job. Regardless he was not the only one to speak and the majority were activists from the various group that worked to get the event going.
LOL what? I was at both and this take on it is dumb. It is very grass roots. I saw American flags, both right side up and upside down, Mexican flags, Palestinian flags, LGBTQ flags, and more. No Democratic party flags. Yes, frogs, axolotls, spongebobs and Santa’s. You know, democracy.
I legit didn’t know there was a Dem flag. Is it just a flag with a donkey?
Also. This post is definitely propaganda b.s
Man you guys are trying really hard to delegeitimize this thing before it gets going. I just read MAGA had started posting to BlueSky. Guess they’re already here in Lemmy too…
same, Saw no democrats in there, no stalls, no flags, nothing. the local DSA was there though canvassing for free healthcare and other common sense policies.
I’ve found out about them during the first no kings
Nice! It seems like these events might a good place for smaller parties to make their presence known to people. Maybe even get some new ones going!
Yes, my DSA is growing thanks to NoKings.
no doubt the us is fed up with Democrats, even though republicans is the main evil, the uselessness of corporate owned political parties is pissing everyone.
Yep. From my experience of them I think people are really just looking for some new options.
Yhea, the democratic party is a dead party. they couldn’t even win against Trump, the worst candidate and president in US history.
And so many dems bent the knee to trump, and only offer symbolic useless resistance.
I’m glad it didn’t happen where you live. But you’re saying this “take is dumb” because you didn’t experience it at two out of thousands of protests, which is like saying, “since it didn’t happen to me, it didn’t happen.”
I saw the democratic establishment propaganda at my local protest. That’s not to say that the protests are bad, but having a party that’s right of center glob onto what is essentially a populist movement and use it as a campaign rally is kind of disheartening.
We need to be voting for actual leftists. Whether they run as a democrat, a green, or an independent.
The take that it’s a ‘Democratic party spectacle’ as the OP said is a very dumb statement.
deleted by creator
I saw nothing whatever to do with the Democratic party at any of the protests I went to.
I did.
Well I’ll take any allies we can get. I’m not a communist, but I’m thrilled to see them show up, I’m not a libertarian, but I’m thrilled to see them show up… nor am I a democrat, green, or an anarchist, but I saw them all out together. No one needs to pass a purity test or be thrown out of the movement before it has even begun in earnest.
I believe that The No Kings Movement has three fundamental tasks – 1) to assure that the Democratic Party does not gain control of the coalition, 2) to expand the coalition to include those without an institutional voice (the poor, the unhoused, the unregistered and non-voters, and most importantly, the millions of undocumented US residents at risk for MAGA’s genocidal zeal). The third task is the most difficult and subsumes the goal of limiting the influence of the Democratic Party. 3) The No Kings Day project must take the critical jump from protest to civil disobedience.
Nice to see they remembered that MAGA is a part of the problem.
I’m not a big fan of the Democratic party, but I wouldn’t put stopping them as the number one goal.
Oh look, more disinformation and division mongering.
And its posted by a dbzer0. Of course.
These fucking comments are the reason shit is so bad in the US. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Yep, what is it they say: stronger divided than united? Makes total sense.
Anybody who share the same noble values should be allowed
So you guys WANT the republicans? It’s wild that Trump and the GOP are actively demolishing democracy and you guys still see the Dems as to e enemy. Right wing propaganda and social media rotted your entire country’s already rotted brains
they literally are the first hurdle into solving the republican problem.
and while i do appreciate that they are FINALLY doing something i can point to and say it’s a good start (holding fast to their demands on the shut down) they otherwise hold the rest of us back. they need to stop harming the chances of progressive candidates in their own party, stop sueing to block passed ballot initiative for progressive action. stop their actions to help their corporate doaners, and actually pass progressive laws
Look, the most third party senators the USA has ever had was 11 in 1899. Even when the parties dissolved or rearranged it was always Demcoratic Republicans v Federalists, Jacksonians v AntiJacksonions, Democrats v Whigs, Democrats v Opposition, Democrats v Republicans.
Last congress there were 4 Independents and it lead to Republicans sweeping the 2024 election.
This is a two party system. One of them wants a King and the other does not. Democrats are the only way to progress. The only way. Singular.
Get Republicans out, then fix the damn system by changing the voting system so you guys can finally have more than 2 parties
But the only way to get Republicans out is voting for the DNC. Otherwise you’re splitting the progressive vote because the DNC are progressive, despite claims otherwise.
Yes, that’s the order it has to be done in. And once GOP is out and voting is reformed, you can introduce better parties
Okay, good, it’s just that certain crowds are in here advocating we don’t vote for the DNC and I wanted to make sure we were on the same page.
your ask is cyclical
The biggest issue with No King’s, at least out of my perspective is that it is only centered around Trump and his cronies, and doesn’t actually target the system that keeps churning out people like Trump, produces them and puts them into power. Americans believe that Trump happened to them like a natural disaster would, and that they were sadly just ill prepared. They fail to see and correctly point out that the system thrives on people like Trump and actively pursues putting them into positions of power. Until that isn’t addressed, these protests will bring about no material change.
P.2025 has been decades in the making. They have been systemically cutting funding for education for as long as I’ve been alive. Add in social media and it’s manufactured division, it has been a perfect shit storm for a takeover.
Note, I’m agreeing with you and adding a thought here. I’ve always figured it would need to get ugly if any meaningful change were to happen, how ugly does it need to get? This is the only question I have now.
Isnt no kings specifically to under mine trump so democrats and retake power and the country doesn’t keep imploding? Why would you remove the political party from it, makes no sense.
That would be a good argument if the Democrats hadn’t paved the way for Trump. We need new politics and new systems.
The only people who paved the way for trump were the people who didnt vote against trump and the right wing media machine. There is no looking at the two platforms and think its a hard choice. If your values lean left the choice is easy.
Removed by mod
And how do you suppose you get that without primarying incumbent and establishment dems with progressives? Which involves voting Dem and in Dem primaries.
There is a non-negligeable number of people convinced that all of the Democrat Platform are policies they don’t stand for. They think Obamacare was just Romneycare. Ideological puritans who would rather everyone abstain from participating elections than pick harm minimalization option.
This ideology gets furtherd and promoted by foreign psyops who frequently post on DB0 and Lemmy ML, much in the same vein that Russian operations promoted Bernie Sanders on FaceBook after he had already lost the primary and asked people to vote for Hillary in the general.
Basically everything is burning and some people think adding fuel is better than water.
Removed by mod
Not watching Israel bombing Gaza was never on the table but the USA definitely had a choice between more death and less death, and it chose more.
Uh, no. It is a grass roots thing that the Democrats are on board with. They aren’t much better, but at least they actually want to govern, not have a KKK rally and complain about randos on social media making them feel bad. You have two fucking options, pick the lesser evil, please!!! Or make a better government. Just fucking do something! The whole waiting for someone else to save you thing was cute at first, but pick your fucking selves off the ground and stop having a tantrum like a two year old.
At my No King’s, a politician made their request for us to vote for them. I will consider it, as they dared to be amongst the plebian rabble, rather than the ivory halls of the bluebloods.
Look at their actions and their voting record. Have they voted against human rights for minority groups? Have they supported Citizen’s United? Have they contributed to our current surveillance state? Have they supported genocide? Have they beat around bush regarding healthcare as a human right?
If so, kick them to the curb.
In favor of a Republican?
What? No. Forget parties for a second and ask the questions of anyone running for anything. It’s about to be midterm primary season in the US.
Don’t forget relevant information, don’t delete context and nuance. That’s just ignorance.
Vote whoever you want in the primary, but come midterms its time to lock tf in.
Absolutely do not forget parties. Republicans always vote in line with party, and green are co-opted by Russia. Independents may have some leeway but they’ll likely never get elected. Just primary dems with progressives, drag the party left.
It’s not a resistance movement. It’s an echo chamber parade.
