If the pussy grabbing thing wasn’t, nothing ever will be.
Or the making fun of the disabled news reporter. Or the not renting to black people, or the using a charity as his personal piggy bank. I’m sure the list goes on and on
Of course everybody with two functioning brain cells knew from the start that this fucker is spectacularly unqualified. But when this came out, it was very plain to see for everybody that all the values “conservatives” claimed to stand for meant absolutely nothing to him.
I’ve repeated this many times.
After the ‘pussy’ tape came out, a Conservative woman went on The View TV show to defend Trump. One of the other women on the panel kept repeating ‘pussy’ over and over. Finally the Conservative woman demand that the other panelist stop using that vulgar term.
Or claiming Veterans who were killed or were captured were losers. I thought Americans were proud of their armed forces.
I disagree (with the title but agree with you the post), Jan 6th should truly be the dealbreaker. Why? Cause it’s not even politics, it’s simple rules of games.
If you can’t accept when you lose, you don’t get to play anymore.
They had 4 years to jail him over treason and they didn’t. I said it before and I’ll say it again, Biden should have jailed him for Jan 6th.
Biden should have used the bully pulpit and pushed hard to prosecute. Merrick Garland is technically the one who sat on his ass for 2 years before getting started, which is how Trump was able to delay through the election then throw out his own cases.
Based on the strong bipartisan coverup of the Epstein Files, clearly there are reasons Biden’s donors didn’t want to prosecute one of “their own.” So they didn’t, because the people don’t get represented in America, only capital owners do.
Biden should have had him and the rest of the isurrectionists executed for trying to overthrow throw democracy. Jailing them just changes their platform for inciting rebellion.
All the trumpers would have risen up to do violence, but fuck it: execute them, too.
The only reason the Jan 6th rioters got in the Capitol is because Donald Trump specifically chose not to call in the National Guard to protect the Capitol. If MAGA had attempted a second insurrection when Trump was jailed and Biden was in office, they wouldn’t have gotten anywhere.
This is the kinda stuff I laughed about pre-last election when MAGA was calling for civil war if Kamala won. It’s not funny now, but the truth remains. An outright seizure of the Capitol/White House/SCotUS is nigh impossible unless our leader wants it. Now, the Jan 6th crowd was exceptionally stupid in not even being able to navigate the Capitol floor; but navigation abilities won’t matter when you get gunned down approaching the entrance.
also racism, they have to be careful around White people who are committing crimes too, without angering white voter base in general. alot of them pretend to be on the left, but act very wierdly around POCs.
It is what they plan for the rest of us. Fascism has always been a sort of “blindly obey the leader or die” sort of thing.
The second major problem is that a whole bunch of people are then killed, first for being the wrong ethnicity, or killed for having the wrong beliefs, or maybe you just live on land that some rich asshole wants to steal. These people will never even be given a chance to “obey” but will likely be told that they are being killed for disobedience. Or someone will be told.
And the lie will be believed, because it will be convenient to do so.
Merrick Garland deserves a place in hell with Newt Gingrich, The Koch Family, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Mitch McConnell.
Now I personally believe that Garland was just that incompetent rather than malicious as the others are.
However, his incompetence is dammingly damaging to the future of the entire planet.
Why would people think it was a big deal when the entire news media played it down, and then the guy who did it was allowed to run for the highest political office again.
Yup, the Republican party allowed Trump to go after the nomination, and his Republican opponents in the primaries never brought Jan 6 up for the disgusting act it was. Instead they all protected Trump by repeating the Big Lie.
Imagine Fox News right now, if Jan 6 had been Democrats and Obama. Seriously, they would be screaming for the dismantling of the Democratic party.
And that’s the difference, the Left has NOTHING like Fox News and Newsmax, MSNBC doesn’t even get CLOSE.
the closest thing to a left wing on TV at least, is DEMocracy now. and its not even that left, plus its also on late night where nobody else watches it.
every other one is center right or right wing, that glorfies the military to keep up enlistment numbers. movies and shows: copaganda, and right-wing ganda helps too.
i noticed its coordinated with right wing influencers/grifters also downplayed or dint bother discussing the insurrection. its not by accident its all coordinated through troll farms.
Because, for his supporters, anything but them getting their own way is an injustice.
He’s the narcissist’s hero.
It’s the moderates and centrists that worry me. I know he had a laundry list of deal breakers. But after Jan 6th, he should have lost every sliver of support from anyone who doesn’t support treason.
The problem is that he did, in that moment, and then media and people walked it back and minimized it for 3.5 years until by the time everyone voted again, well, he didn’t go to prison so maybe they made it up or it wasn’t so bad? See also: his felonies were “political”.
Truth is that most Americans are so busy living or surviving that they don’t go learn or seek out different views to become more well-rounded. Propaganda works.
I don’t understand why AIPAC, Citizens United, exorbitant health care and education costs, tax rates for the rich, slavery in prisons, and every other goddamned ridiculous thing that other first world countries don’t have wasn’t a deal breaker.
While I agree, what would it mean for these to be “dealbreakers”?
Bill Clinton gave tax rates for the rich, but he didn’t run on that – he ran on expanding the Middle Class. Barack Obama ran on a platform of fixing healthcare, and he sorta did. Citizens United v FEC was decided in 2010. The next election, Bernie Sanders’ common-sense social safety nets were wildly popular among Democats and purple state voters – not enough to beat the entire Democratic line-up that gave their delegates to Hillary Clinton, but still very popular.
On the debate stage, Donald Trump called out the same ridiculous Republican warmongering and perils of the USAmerican people that Bernie called out. In doing so, Trump sweeped out Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and every other preferred neo-conservative candidate – while being a billionaire rapist fraudster who owned a gold-plated apartment. Trump continued that diagonalization campaign strategy in 2024, to great success. He’s naming real issues, and rallying up support with it, because people are exactly as fed up as you presume they should be. This is why MAGA voters are so aggressive. This is what the Jan 6th insurrectionists thought they were fighting for.
While I curse out the generation before me who allowed this country to get this way, I can’t really say what they should have done differently. It’s not like there weren’t massive anti-war protests. It’s not like the USA populace wanted to be deployed in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Iran. Bush hid the facts. It’s not like people want these massive medical costs and unreasonable student loans… but what do we do? Changes were being teased in Congress; there was hope in the Supreme Court; presidential campaigns promised prosperity and ease, and USAmericans clung to that hope.
So did we sleepwalk through it all? Yes – But I don’t see how people could have been persuaded differently with anything short of foresight of exactly this reality of the year 2025. Reformists aren’t going to burn down the Capitol when Congress is debating Medicare For All, even if it’s the 40th year debating this issue; even after the vote fails.
You touched on it; Citizens United. Change that and we’re back to a coherent timeline.
I also think the consolidation of media outlets into massive billionaire-controlled mouthpieces of industry alongside with Cambridge Analytica opening the flood gates on social medianl propagandization were crucial, but Citizens United will always be the death of the USA for me; it just took a few years for the corpse to start really stinking up the place.
I think we can only make more laws and regulations against it moving forward. High school requirements on media literacy and propaganda to graduate. Also, mandatory elections after 30 days of shutdowns. Laws that no votes in a state can be counted until every able voter has cast a ballot. Term limits. Taxes higher as income increases. Assets can’t be hidden as corporate property. Billionaires taxed out of existence. We just have to prevent more shit like it happening again.
Look, all you have to do is accept my one and only axiom: Most people on this planet are total and absolute idiots.
I mean 50% of the population literally is less intelligent than the average.
Only if the median and mean coincide
If we assume IQ is a proper representation of intelligence than sure they do.
Actually this always was a point against democracy
Even the smart people aren’t smart enough.
I agree, and I think I’m among them too (no I don’t say that because I voted Trump, I’m not American)
Admit it, you voted third party! Just so you know: thats like voting for Trump but indirectly.
Huh?
varnia is suggesting you didn’t vote for the Democrats. Which, considering you’re not American, seems highly likely.
Oh haha okay I had no idea what they meant.
I did vote for Nicusor Dan in Romania and that guy is as much of a democrat as they get around here haha
I’m not inclined to agree with “most”, but the idiot:not-idiot ratio in society is way higher than I’m comfortable with. It’s almost enough to make the question the wisdom of putting so many people on the road, driving their own cars.
The part that really shook me is when I talked to enough people to figure out that stupidity isn’t always obvious. A person can speak well, be exposed to a lot of different news sources, have ample access to information, graduate from a decent school, and still be a total moron when it comes to a lot of things. Like functional illiteracy, grown adults learn how to cope and mask in ways that are shockingly good, considering they cover for huge deficits at the same time.
There are Americans that believe Trump has never lied. Like ever. About anything. He is truth. Some Americans actually believe this.
So they have no capacity to think logically, not even a tiny bit? Or do they just have no capacity in remembering stuff?
They don’t want to think. At all. Just listen to what they’re told by fox or Facebook and get comfort in hating some group(s) “ worse than them “ while they believe they’re better than most people. They’re fully delusional.
Nah, worse than that. The root of the conservative pathology is self-hatred. They fear that they are worthless, shit people. A person who believes that they are better than everybody else can sit smugly in the corner and be superior in peace. Conservatives need near-constant reassurance that other people are worse than themselves, hence the performative cruelty they crave.
They are also too cowardly to live freely, so they end up hating actual freedom and those that enjoy it because they hate themselves for allowing their freedom to be robbed by their ideology.
They are terminally uncurious. Explaining to his cult individually that he has said things himself they can listen to is baffling to them. They only hear it through their filter of choice.
I think you are giving them far too much credit. Just as there are short people and tall people and skinny and fat, there are people that don’t have a lot going on upstairs. When I heard that 50% of people don’t have an inner monologue I was astounded. I thought it not to be true. That someone had to have fucked up. Seeing all this play out, it makes way more sense.
It’s a real problem if you ask me. The older I get the easier it is to notice in people.
They are literally brainwashed. I do not know what the solution to that is.
That just breaks my brain.
Mine was George Floyd. When I saw so many people stand up and say that man deserved death over a bounced check I knew they lost their damn mind.
Nobody deserves to die… Even if they’re… uh… charlie kirk… No I think that one’s ok.
My take on Charlie is that I’m not surprised.
My take on Charlie and similar killings is that we’re in a war, and war is never nice. I don’t believe anyone should be assassinated, but I also don’t believe we’re playing by the rules of civility when we have hundreds of people being disappeared every day by masked agents on our street; and the government is tweeting out Nazi propaganda.
I heard his neck just did that
The idea that death is an acceptable outcome from being suspected of any minor infraction underpins the conversation around basically every police killing, with every single person on the side justifying it being tacitly accepting of that premise.
It’s lunacy.
A few years after 9-11 for me. I grew up watching my classmates sing songs about indiscriminately bombing people in Afghanistan, and news reports of people being beaten or killed in the US for wearing any clothing that appeared Middle-Eastern. It made me sick to my stomach.
The second I saw he was running the first time, I knew it was going to be a disaster. Maybe I couldn’t appreciate just how much of a disaster it would be though
that escalator keeps going down to this day
Where was his cameraman when we really needed him?
Perception is reality.
Control news, social media, and church and you can distort/gaslight reality.
Only the better educated can sometimes see through bullshit.
It’s because the Democrats didn’t inflict any consequences on Republicans and used the “let’s look to the future and not dwell on the past” framing on it. How can you blame voters for not taking it seriously if Democrats didn’t?
You’re speaking of long after Jan 6th occurred. The OP post is talking about on that day. As in, “how did those that would actually stand to benefit become willing to benefit at the cost of following the rule of law?” The disappointing answer is that those performing the insurrection on Jan 6th, as well as those that would stand to gain, are more concerned with being in power rather than respecting justice and the rule of law.
The disappointing answer is that those performing the insurrection on Jan 6th, as well as those that would stand to gain, are more concerned with being in power rather than respecting justice and the rule of law.
Yes you nailed it. Kamala recently expressed sadness at the level of capitulation, saying she didn’t expect it. A lot of us had a rude awakening in the days after J6 when we realized that lot of our fellow citizens did not take the lessons on democracy taught to us since grade school to heart.
They called it out and Americans didn’t care.
alot of the dnc are Dinos, republicans that cant get elected from the right, so they have to pretend to be Dems on some issues, but republicans on most other ones. why we get people like schumer, jefferies, fetterman
January 6 gave the Nazis hope and basically exposed how easy it is to topple the government if they have law enforcement on their side.
Until my final breath I’ll never understand how George W. Bush wasn’t a dealbreaker for every future Republican president. And then they voted for Trump of all people.
Like that’s it. We humans have failed evolution.
He kind of was in a way. The 2016 primary featured a dozen Bush wannabes, and Trump just went on stage and embarrassed them all by pointing out all the things they did horribly wrong (war, healthcare, etc), he correctly identified what made Republicans unelectable nationally. People related to that anger.
That’s one of the most frustrating things about this right wing populism. They’re correctly pointing out problems: wealth inequality, expensive housing, warmongering, etc. The problem they then cause is that they blame the source of these problems squarely on some scapegoats and then do things that only exacerbate the existing problems they diagnosed in the first place.
Billionaire donors gaining even more power and stripping the few checks against said power, doing shit all to make groceries cheaper, and now they’re out there blowing up boats in international waters and committing large scale violence against people in this county. Yet… crickets from the folks who voted them in. Just maddening. They just wanted to shit on the scapegoats
It’s time to point to the LBJ sign again.
I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it, If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you. – Lyndon B. Johnson, attributed by Bill Moyers
its always anger or fear, these are the only 2 emotions conservatives can express.
I don’t blame them for feeling either, honestly. But I do blame them for what they do about it.
White Americans lost their fucking minds when Obama was elected
White americans voted for Obama. Blacks are only 13% of the country.
i doubt most of them voted for obama, alot more went with the gop instead.
Big if true
All my white friends love Obama.
Well…Americans have failed evolution.
Devo was right.
it isnt because evangelicals are afraid of losing thier influence in government, plus thier hold on the US, and oppression of POCs and lgbtq+ people, and are afraid of retribution and reprisal from the latter 2 groups.
If you pour enough money/resources into anyone, you can get them to win an election. Trump was just the easiest one to pour money into: he’s easily swayed, even more easily bought, and has a certain… shudders charisma (?) that makes him more electable than a rando mild conservative.
What you’re witnessing here is just capitalism. People with a lot of money and power wanted to gain even more money and power. Trump a convenient vehicle for that. So they poured money into his campaign and he won.
It’s a good reason to consider sortition, or a system that distributes power so that it’s super diffuse.
An example would be abolition of SCOTUS: Instead we create a special court for each individual case, pulling nine judges at random from the Appeals districts. That way, no Supreme Court justice can be owned the way Thomas and Alito are – or one can, but they’re not likely to get on all the cases a billionaire deems important.
I understand it.
People are paying 30% more to live now than they did before. No one cares about a person’s politics if they claim they’ll put food on your table.
This chart is the whole story. Unfortunately people don’t understand how the economy lags behind everything and Trumps recent actions are going to make the surge from COVID checks look like a blip.
It didn’t lag behind for the rich.
It only lagged behind for the poor.
For four years, and Biden had all the power he needed to make real change for the poor, as evidenced by the last ten months.
There’s no one in the party that knows how to fix any of the problems they continue to create. Like forgiving college loans, but not changing the incentives to raise college prices. They could have allowed student loans to default, anything really. No one’s suggesting real change, just hand outs and corporate marauding.
The voting base went right along with this, “ ya forgive my loan, but leave the exploitative system for my children. “ that’s politics, fix my immediate grievances and pay no mind to the future or bad structures we build
Well you can forgive loans with executive orders, I don’t think you can change the system without an act of Congress. Our legislature is no longer functioning, it’s been locked in a cold civil war since at least Trump, maybe as far back as 08.
The last time Congress agreed on anything it was the patriot act of 2001
They agreed on bailing out the banks in 08, which is why I picked that year. Then the tea party movement pushed us into a deadlock and we’ve been there ever since.
That’s true, the bank bailouts, war in Iraq, and the patriot act were all bipartisan. They will always agree on robbing you and killing you.
Joe Biden isn’t supposed to fix anything, Congress legislates, and the president executes the laws. Your Congress hasn’t represented you in 40 years and you expect the president to fix it in 4? That’s what trumps doing with this unitary executive king shit 🤣 Horseshoe theory strikes again
It’s not about the President, but it is about the party, and the President is also the head of the party. Biden was also the party establishment candidate that they ran against Bernie specifically to kneecap any chance at actual reform. So no, he doesn’t get a pass for the results, just because he was only the President. Look what only President Trump can do.
Look what only President Trump can do.
Look what
onlyPresident Trump can do, when the GOP also has the majority of the House and Senate, and - oh yeah - the Supreme Court.Trump had more influence over the United States Congress and Zeitgeist than Biden did while Biden was President, and that’s a fact. That’s also the reason WHY he now has Congress.
I mean no one would have consented to Biden breaking all the constitutional norms of the country, nor was there any popular policy to push. There was a lot of resistance to Biden from both parties. Judge him how you will, I’m not here to defend his honor or convince you of my opinion of Biden. I just wanted to express my frustration. How both sides want their presidents to act like Congress, while Congress constantly gets a free pass for fuck ups. It makes no sense to vote in an establishment congress and expect the president to make changes.
Question… didn’t congress attempt to impeach trump several times and then have a January 6th committee? They then handed their findings to the justice department who took forever to bring up charges. 18 months in total before special counsel jack smith started his own investigation. So I mostly blame the justice department for delaying so much. Namely Merrick Garland doing fuck all when they had trumps ass for launching a terrorist attack on our nations capitol. Brazil moved super fast and now Bolsonaro is fucked and won’t be launching another assault any time soon.
Four years of the Biden Presidency came and went in which someone could be completely forgiven for forgetting who was sitting in the office. There was absolutely zero political or social leadership coming from the Biden Presidency. None. That was half by design, and half because he was too far gone to be in front of the American people that much.
He was a capable administrator, and under his presidency the liberal oligarchy did choose to make some concessions, and I think he had something to do with that. He had a capable and competent cabinet. But, he was chosen for the role specifically to stall any further continuation of progressive momentum.
EDIT: I forgot to add that permission comes for breaking the norms by creating a movement that demands the breaking of those norms. That’s specifically what the Biden Presidency was designed not to do.
I agree with that sentiment. No one really cares but me; but Biden did a lot to repair the broken ties internationally from the first trump admin. I just don’t know why everyone expected Biden to break norms: he followed the norms for his entire political career which stretched 50 years.
Do you think there was a unifying call from within America that he was ignoring? It seems like everyone loves this fucking oligarchy or doesn’t really care about it. No one was begging Biden to stop the oligarchy.
People still think Elon musk is a brilliant visionary. I don’t think he has more opposition than support.
Dude, the only unifying call that they actually asked of Biden was to step down due to his age. He did and now America is great again. He really was a populist.
Holy shit, someone else understands how things work around here.
Yeah when the SC gives the President immunity for overstepping while he’s in office? You’re damn straight he should have done more. To quote Trae Crowder, “Do you want to be right, or do you want to win, motherfucker?”
That’s a fair criticism, and I share it with ya. The executive branch should have gone a lot further with the power they did have. They let appearances get in the way of justice and democracy again! I’m starting to think there’s a pattern with that behavior
that may explain how desperate idiots fall for the ruse the firtst time… but over and over again?
Propaganda is a helluva drug
It’s because every time until the NEXT one they were hindered into the process by the “bad” others. So you see, it’s once again time to remove others who are preventing success.
/s obviously
Well the answer to “why did people still support Trump after Jan 6th” is actually “Jan 6th.”
Those people that came to DC and walked to the Capitol and stormed out are Americans who were a) pissed off and b) willing and able to travel and march and attack on behalf of Trump.
That’s not nothing in terms of power and influence. And it’s indicative of a BUNCH of people who met condition (a) but not (b). Like probably an order of magnitude or more.
Since no Republican stepped up to steal those supporters from Trump by pointing out how absolutely un-American Jan 6th was, they stayed loyal to him. So the politicians followed, the owners followed, and the media followed.
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