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That’s because hormonal birth control for women takes advantage of existing biological processes to prevent pregnancy.
Men don’t have any known biological processes that can be utilized like that, although it’s been consistently studied for decades.
I had thought that another part of it was the levels of harm compared to the problem; getting pregnant is incredibly stressful and possibly harmful, up to and including death as a possibility. A medicine that can stop that but has side affects that are less harmful than pregnancy is a lot more palatable. Whereas, for men, the harm caused by pregnancy is zero, so any harm caused by the pill is weighed a lot heavier.
It’s really frustrating how often this gets framed as sexist, when it’s a totally different problem. I get why people would equate them but they are very different biological processes. Producing a baby is a complicated process, and there’s a lot of steps that we can intervene in to prevent it. Producing a million sperm is, maybe surprisingly, less complicated and it’s harder to target a specific thing and produce easily reversible results.
Men have had vasectomy on the table for a long time now. It’s just more serious than most forms of female birth control, in terms of implementation and recovery, still not foolproof, and not as easy to reverse.
Even more frustrating is that sexism definitely does exist and play a role. It’s just more about the human parts of the process, like dealing with medical staff, dealing with insurance, dealing with local, state, and now federal governments that want to bar access to women. Looking at the pill side is misplacing the anger.
I am pretty sure there have been attempts at temporarily blocking sperm so not having to do vasectomy for decades and it was not yet successful, it’s not like this problem is not being worked on because scientists are sexist or something
Vasalgel, I was signed up for updates, but after about 10 years I gave up on that and got a traditional vasectomy.
There are also medical benefits to female hormonal birth control besides not getting pregnant.
I think men should consider the potential harms to their partner in their calculus. If a man participates in causing a pregnancy that results in serious complications or death, I would sincerely hope that he would be as devastated by the loss of his partner as he would by suffering the harm himself. If men can’t empathize with their partner enough to consider the risks to her, then he shouldn’t be having sex in the first place.
Iirc there are trials for pills for men right now
So far, there’s no male birth control pill on the market. But there are two types of birth control pills in the works: YCT-529 and dimethandrolone undecanoate. YCT-529 is a hormone-free male birth control pill that aims to stop your body from making sperm by targeting the vitamin A signaling that makes sperm production possible.
Researchers studied the effects of this male birth control pill on animals. They found that in mice, after four weeks of use, it was 99% effective in preventing pregnancies. In primates, sperm counts dropped in just two weeks of use. Researchers also completed a phase 1 human study to test how safe and tolerable the drug is. Now, they’re recruiting participants for a phase 1B/2A study, but more research is needed before this drug can hit the market.
The other male birth control pill, dimethandrolone undecanoate (DMAU), may also be available as an injectable. This one is a hormonal birth control, meaning it impacts your male sex hormones, causing them to temporarily stop your body from making sperm.
In a phase 1 study, participants took DMAU for 28 days. But the participants weren’t relying on DMAU for birth control, so more research is needed. Even though a phase 2 trial is in the works, it’s not complete.
https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/male-contraceptives
Huh. I thought the trials had been completed, but I guess not. Feels like I remember hearing about them like 4-5+ years ago.
You’ll continue to hear about them every few years for the rest of your life. Its always “just a couple years” away.
Also, that imply i have to plan doing sex weeks before if i have to take the pill
Also, that imply i have to plan doing sex weeks before if i have to take the pill
Same with the female pill. The intended usage is that you take birth control regularly, regardless of how often you actually have sex.
Also we have condoms too so i don’t get what everyone is talking about
I know I should use them but I really don’t like using them.
As long as you both don’t mind, enjoy
Happy father’s day.
Condoms are horrible for birth control.
Yes, but even when used correctly the chance of pregnancy is still significant.
And many people do not know how to use them correctly.
This is a yes and situation. (You should use condoms regardless of other contraceptives, for sexual health reasons)
Nature is sexist, got it.
Basically. There’s no biological advantage for men to shut down sperm production, so evolution never pressured a mechanism to do so.
So basically it’s like jailbreaking an iPhone?
More like trying to root a Samsung phone with Knox (for men)
Weird how it seems like it’s all for women and safe sex but then criticizes a tool women have to checks notes take control of their sex lives and make decisions about getting pregnant.
Non-surgical birth control options for women tend to come with a lot of side effects and a number of risks that don’t always outweigh the benefit. Hormonal birth control can cause tons of problems for the women taking them and some of them are associated with life-threatening side effects like increased risk of clotting leading to DVTs, PEs, and strokes.
Yes, and male birth control doesn’t solve these problems because the only way to be 100% sure is to be on birth control yourself, especially important with huge chunks of the US banning abortions
It’s not a great option for more casual encounters or early in relationships, but for established couples that already have children and don’t want more or are in a committed, trusting relationship, male birth control opens the possibility for the male partner to ease the burden of birth control effort and side effects.
And it’s their choice to pick that option and it’s not my place to remove that option because I’m done rando on the Internet who thinks he knows better
I’m absolutely not advocating for removing that option. However, increasing the options for male birth control is necessary for a wide variety of reasons, including allowing male partners to take the burden off of their female partner if she isn’t able to tolerate the side effects or can’t find a birth control method that actually works well for her. It is, in effect, another birth control option for women to be able to defer some responsibility to a male partner in a committed relationship.
I just checked and yeah, your comment didn’t say anything about birth control options for men and only talked about the negative effects of the pill.
So you see why one would think that you were trying to say that the birth control pill is a bad thing and that we should remove it.
How does this unscientific instagram vomit has 500 votes on lemmy? Are we turning into reddit?
Because it sounds good to people that never made it beyond high school level biology or bothers to search things
This is literally the shitpost community
Always have been. Down to hivemind downvoting in several places here.
Lemmy was advertised as reddit alternative, so it’s exactly what we asked for. I came here during that wave too. So yeah, I’m part of the problem.
Those 9 men could prevent women getting pregnant by cumming in me instead.
based
Honey your desperation is showing.
Not everything is a conspiracy against women
You say that as if women haven’t been treated like property in nearly every society ever since we learned how to farm
This is one of the dumbest wagons to hitch that argument to in particular.
It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility
Well yes. But it also occured to society that stopping 1 egg per month is easier than millions of sperm every day.
This sounds like it would make sense on the surface, but is just not true. You can look up pretty easily that there wasn’t really any research on the viability of male hormonal birth control until half a century after female hormonal birth control became a thing, so it’s not like they made a rational decision based on scientific findings. When they found out how to do it for men, it was roughly comparably complicated, with similar side effects. This too is easy to look up.
It makes sense that the side effects were too much to legalize hormonal male birth control because today’s standards are much higher. Which is a good thing ofc- im glad they don’t allow new medication as easily as they did in the past. Female birth control wouldn’t be legalized if it was invented today, and neither would, for example, aspirin. They get to stay around because they don’t take that stuff back out usually, even if it wouldn’t pass modern standards. That’s a bit of a tangent though.
Many men would LOVE a reliable, non-condom, male-controlled birth control method
Currently for men there are two options — condoms, which are problematic and difficult in several ways, or vasectomy, which is essentially permanent or at least difficult and uncertain to be reversed.
The third method is to take WAY too many TOO HOT baths, but that also has uncertainty and is a real hassle.
As it stands, really for men they either need to use a condom, or trust that your female partner is reliable.
100% agree. The fact that they’re only researching it now has been hurting everyone involved.
Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your “in historical terms”, youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.
Why is everyone in this thread acting like men are always the ones providing and insisting on using barrier methods? Have yall talked to a woman who’s had casual sex before about what it’s like out there?
Yes, men AND women are both taking responsibility. Just because you can point to few cases of morons, doesnt make “women are sluts who use abortion as birth control” anymore true than the bullshit youre pedalling. But nice try, trying to get out of the “historical terms” bullshit, but shifting the focus to modern day… Doesnt at all make you look desperate to be right, regardless of facts…
Theres bad apples in every bunch. Only a bigot tries to frame that bad apple as the whole bunch.
Ok I’ll ignore the name calling one last time.
I’ll put it super simply, in the hope that you misunderstanding me wasn’t as intentional as it comes across
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barrier methods have always been, and continue to be, a shared responsibility
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all other non-permanent methods have been purely on women until very recently.
Ignore whatever the fuck you like. Youre bigoted cunt, and thats all there is to it. You dont like being called out? Have you tried, not being a perpetually online sexist piece of shit? Fuck you.
Can you please point out the thing I said that you consider sexist, and why? I’m striving not to be, and like to learn where I can.
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Dumb. It’s a lot easier to stop one egg a month, than zillions of sperm multiple times a day. Simple as that.
Not only that, there’s an interruptible cycle of egg release. There’s no regular interruptible cycle in men.
Condoms are a lot cheaper than the pill and don’t come with side effects
Many people of any gender find sex much less enjoyable with a condom.
You know what’s a lot less enjoyable than sex with a condom? Everything it prevents
Sure but you can’t argue that Condoms don’t have side effects when the clear and obvious side effect is that sex is less enjoyable.
I find sex less enjoyable with a condom. Im still able to have a good time NOT getting pregnant.
Condoms are horrible for birth control though.
Based on what?
Science and Statistics.
A 15% failure rate counts as “horrible” in my book.
So you picked the local stat that makes your case instead of the 98% effective against unplanned pregnancy when used as directed cited by the World Health Organization and everyone else on the planet. What your NHS statistic proves is that without sex education, condoms are less effective. What does that not apply to?
No, the same study that said “when used as directed,” also pointed out “real world practice,” and that’s what I quoted, because most of us, myself included, live in the real world, so that’s the statistic that is most relevant. The other statistic is going to get people pregnant.
My car’s manufacturer tells me that my car will get 30 miles a gallon. It gets about 24. If I ignore my gas gauge, and calculate my gas milage based on the manufacturer’s claims, I’m going to be sitting on the side of the highway, waiting for AAA. If you rely solely on condoms for birth control, you will get pregnant.
Real world is the only thing that matters.
So don’t use one. Happy father’s day.
Well, the pill’s effectiveness also depends on using it correctly. So the point is a bit mood, isn’t it?
And everybody DESPISES them.
Besides, they aren’t very good at either birth control or preventing disease, and they are the most effective anti-sex invention ever.
And everybody DESPISES them.
That would be wildly incorrect
Not if ya snip snip
Exactly. In the case of men, that has turned out to be the most effective method in blocking a literal flood of sperm.
People claim that men wouldn’t use a daily pill, but guys don’t want their women getting pregnant any more than the women do, at least not until they are ready. If it existed, most guys would gladly take a pill that would keep them from 18 years of child support, just like most women do. In fact, having double contraception would reduce unwanted pregnancies significantly, which would also reduce the abortion rate, which might help bringing down the political temperature a bit (no, it won’t).
It’s not us men resisting male contraception, most of us would love it. It’s just not mechanically as easy to do for men as it is for women. It’s a science problem, not a market segment problem. Make it, and there will be customers for it.
I’m not sure who’s she targeting because I know a lot of guys who would love to have birth control pills.
It ain’t like pharma ain’t been trying to make male birth control pills. Lord knows they’d love the extra money.
But it turns out to be damn difficult to get right.
They have made it. Had human trials with effects that killed the trials.
Most of the men in the trials wanted to keep taking it so their partners didn’t have to bear that burden alone.
Source?
They’re referring to this one back in 2016, where the caveat was that it had the same side effects as women’s birth control. Since the patient being prescribed isn’t the one who will experience negative health outcomes without the medications, the harm of those side effects was deemed by researchers (not the patients themselves) to be greater than the risk of impregnating someone else.
Other hornonal options have come out since then, though not on the consumer market afaik, like this hormonal gel and this pill.
More recently (like earlier this year) its been done without hormones by blocking a vitamin A metabolite that signals the production of sperm.
Did you read the actual study or FDA report as to why they pulled the trial? High school level Americans fall for sensationalized articles and journalists report on things they are clueless about all the time
Idk I was 16 when that came out so actually high school level. Feel free to read the study yourself and correct me? Not sure what you’re skeptical about tbh but the belittling is really uncalled for. You asked for a source and I gave one.
The point of sources is so you can see where the person got their information and personally verify what was said, not to unequivocally prove things true or false based on there being a credible source at all.
Yeah I was kind of an asshole. I’m sorry. I’ll work on that when I have more time to show you.
and no sane woman should believe that, because if she will later find the guy was lying, it is not going to be the guy having to deal with the consequences. so it is quite stupid take.
If you’re having sex with random, unknown, untrusted people, you better use a condom anyway, because pregnancy isn’t the worst thing that can happen, so the point is kinda moot anyway.
not every situation is as extreme as you make it and while you have a point, it doesn’t make mine invalid
No sane person should leave something that important to the sole responsibility of someone else no matter who they are.
Eta: Until I turned 30, everyone I knew who had kids was “on birth control”
Later that night:
More like that:
Later that night:
Counterpoint: a woman taking birthcontrol is empowered because she is taking charge of her own reproduction. She doesn’t have to rely on or trust the man to take his pill. After all, she would be the one bearing most of the burden in case of an unwanted pregnancy.
Additionally, purely biologically it is much easier to reliably stop conception on the female side than on the male side. A woman only produces one egg cell per month, whereas a man produces millions of sperm cells per day.
Counterpoint to your counterpoint- no form of birth control has a zero percent failure rate under perfect use conditions and not all women respond to all forms of birth control well meaning pregnancy capable people cannot take perfect control of their family planning choices without the extreme surgical intervention of a hysterectomy as even getting medically sterilized in other ways can potentially undo itself. Doubling up from both sides means a much lower chance of failure rate resulting in life changing or difficult consequences and distress on behalf of the partner who faces higher risk outcomes.
Doing your part in a relationship’s reproductive planning is good partner behavior. This shouldn’t be a game where just one person is on the hook and the other is just along for the ride. Male and Female birth control do not exist as a one or the other dichotomy. Stoking division of the sexes over which one is more nessisary is counter to the real point. These are tools couples can use together to be safer.
No one is saying both sides should not be responsible. The initial photo from OP is implying that BC was initially for women out of misogyny or some other malicious reason. It is MUCH easier to terminate 1-2 viable eggs through a cycle than millions of sperm without causing infertility.
Okay… so? We’re supposed to feed into this premise by making seem like how women’s birth control is more nessisary and softly validate the idea that men don’t care and can’t be bothered? There’s not an unfair stereotype out there that there’s a lot of men being very callous about not wanting to take any measure to protect their partner if it inconveniences them too much while female hormonal birth control is known to have a bunch of horrible side effects that their relationships just expect them to take on so both partners can have fun.
Under those conditions it does not to me feel unreasonable that women get embittered by having to behave like all the unfair sacrifice for making sex safe enough to participate in is falling on female shoulders at present. Feelings don’t care about facts and strictly debating the scientific difficulty of the task is missing the point where the feelings that create this sort of post are coming from.
The point of the post was to say that BC should be for men because “it just makes sense”. You are spewing a bunch of nonsense unrelated to what is being pushed by the meme and I said exactly 0 of those things. I’m already aware. People that never made it beyond high school level topics should really stop.
Doing your part in a relationship’s reproductive planning is good partner behavior. This shouldn’t be a game where just one person is on the hook and the other is just along for the ride. Male and Female birth control do not exist as a one or the other dichotomy.
Except what the meme is saying is not that both partners should work together on birth control. It suggests that it should be on the man instead.
Meme also suggests that no work is being done on a male contraception pill, when in reality this is being worked on and has been worked on for decades, but there are good biological reasons why this is anything but trivial and certainly much harder than a female contraception pill.
Look beyond the meme my friend. When you exclusively start talking about the science of the matter or taking it to mean that the responsibility should be exclusively shifted to men you are ignoring a generation ls deep frustration pregnancy capable people have been experiencing on this subject. You end up implying through negative space that this is a responsibility that should stay in the camp of women- and women have been more under attack for their reproductive choices.
Women’s frustration with the attitudes of men wanting to control their bodies is valid. What this person is doing is returning a little of that. What other women in these comments are seeing is men react like you are here and that sends an unconscious message that the underlying problem is not one that is going to be addressed because unless the problems they are routinely subjected to specifically targets men, men won’t care.
Just because someone gives you a certain energy doesn’t mean you should add to it or return it. Intended or not you start making yourself look like an enemy. Sometimes you have to see beyond the conversation being had and realize to what use your commentary is being put. You are falling into the hands of the poster by being made to look like the worst sort of man.
Condoms don’t exist?
Barrier protections are great - but have one of the highest perfect use condition failure rates against pregnancy. If you used them under perfect condition correctly every time there’s still a 2% chance of failure every time…
Typical use however like, people hurrying, using bad technique of application or removal, improper sizing, not inspecting them before use or using expired product or other sundry defects of the condoms themselves means condom’s real life failure rate condition is about 18%.
Not to knock the condom but it’s not foolproof. Even paired up with the pill which has a decent track record when under perfect use conditions but one of the highest rates of imperfect use because of missed or improperly timed doses you still are rolling the dice.
Let’s lay some ttrpgs here. Everytime you have sex under that pairing it’s like you are rolling two individual dice. Let’s take the typical use of condoms and the pill. Roll a six sided die to represent the condom and a 10 sided die for the pill. If both die show up with a 1 then you get a pregnancy. Not bad odds until you realize this is repeated every time you have sex.
Adding another die to the equation in the form of a hormonal birth control for the other partner alters the chances to be more airtight. Also sometimes you as the male partner might want assurance because you generally don’t know of your partner is taking their pills right.
That doesn’t change the problem with original post its just more antimale bullshit that this site is flooded with, “Men are the ones that need birth control not women!” “You a man and don’t want to end up baby trapped? Either refuse sex or sterilize yourself.” I’m completely fucking done with it, I grew up a second class citizen in my own family because I was born a man I’m not putting up with any of it anymore! Stop justifying dog whistles and hate
Fun fact.
Women do not produce eggs each month, they just release them.
Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have. They never make any more.
To your point, a woman may be born with around a million eggs (lifetime total). A man can produce over 100 million sperm every day.
Nah, this isn’t a great point at all… even at face value really.
Put slightly differently, if we’re assuming people sleep around as much as the text implies, if we focus on birth control solely for men, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled man would result in a ton of pregnancies. If the onus is on women, then one ‘failure’/non-controlled woman would result in one pregnancy.
It doesn’t stand up on its own terms on other levels as well.
Even the most cynical misandrist interpretation of how research is funded would still lean towards men being given the agency on whether sex lead to pregnancy.
The most commonly produced, available, and used birth control method worldwide is the latex condom, used by everyone who has a penis. Try again.
This.
Cumming 9 times a day??
Nowhere does it say you have to limit yourself to that
With 9 different partners each time, dude dick gonna fall off statistically speaking.
Yeah, any more than 7 is tiring.
Don’t forget to hydrate
If you have a plan and put in the effort it can easily be done
This guy definitely owns a milking table. It’s probably homemade.
So hear me out; have the lad cum onto a table, use a postcard or something to divide the subject matter into 9 equal parts, then have the ladies come in and snort it up their pussy.
I’m not a professional in this field fyi.
If the numbers were correct and your aim was to reduce pregnancies, you could prevent 90% of pregnancies by getting roughly 90% of sexually active women to take the pill. Getting 99.95% of sexually active men to take the pill would have NO effect whatsoever on the pregnancy rate, because the remaining 1 in 2000 men would continue to meet and impregnate a woman roughly once every hour for roughly 12 hours a day (with breaks for food and resting his dick a tiny bit) for 9 months straight, with time to visit 430 women a second time in case these miracle impregnators somehow didn’t always impregnate on first meeting a woman. (This would very drastically reduce diversity in the gene pool and the world would be very very very badly interbred within two generations.)
But of course humans don’t behave like the numbers suggest AT ALL, thank goodness.
It’s easier to prevent ovulation of one egg than stop a billion sperm cells from reaching their destination. Stop politicising biology.
Yeah they try to make this sound like an intelligent argument or that they designed birth control for women out of misogyny. It’s much easier to get one or two eggs terminated in a cycle vs eliminating millions of sperm without causing infertility. I don’t think the people that spew this understand.
Uh, it’s been done. Multiple times.
First was this one back in 2016, but the caveat was that it had the same side effects as women’s birth control. Since the patient being prescribed isn’t the one who will experience negative health outcomes without the medications, the harm of those side effects was deemed by researchers (not the patients themselves) to be greater than the risk of impregnating someone else.
Other hornonal options have come out since then, though not on the consumer market, like this hormonal gel and this pill.
More recently its been done without hormones by blocking a vitamin A metabolite that signals the production of sperm.
You’re the one “politicising biology” by using it to dismiss this out of hand without even the most basic level of research or respect for the complexity of the topic.
It’s easier to castrate men than to expect women to take medication with a wide array of side potential effects, stop politicising healthcare x
Why stop at 9
A man’s got to eat some time you know.
