Tim, call in the state troopers and NG to remove these MAGA NAZIS before they kill more people.
Minnesota YOU ARE UNDER ATTACK!
I can promise you that Minnesotans know this.
Previously I was under the impression that Walz could unilaterally activate the NG without trump being able to federalize them I was wrong.
The state police are small and theres more than 3000 agents in Minneapolis. They are being provided instructions and intelligence from a PMC. This is a full fledged paramilitary.
The media, however, has completely ignored the fierce amount of civil disobedience and counter ICE actions going on. The problem is that ICE is ambushing victims, grabbing them and leaving.
Yeah it’s really hard as they drive up in unmarked cars and go. A lot of times the windows are tinted and you have seconds to react.
When they were in Chicago I’d try to look for trucks, SUVs, and minivans as those were the most likely to hold a lot of agents.
PMC = Private Military Company, then?
Contractor, but yeah.
ok, thanks
It’s symbolic. They can call in state defense force and state police to apprehend them if they feel like they can claim they are committing crime. Then you see who does what. The only options are to escalate or capitulate.
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Dude, come on over and have at it.
Personally, I need a few more guardrails to fall before I start sniping feds.
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No, please explain exactly what you mean by deterrence, educate me
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Brb, going out to acquire a ballistic missile submarine
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“Remain peaceful while armed thugs are killing you and dragging you away to camps! We’ll be sitting here not doing anything to help you!”
This is war with the Federal government. It’s time they stopped pretending otherwise.
What I want to see is people telling these ICE agents the truth.
Point out Trump’s failing health, and that he might not even live long enough to finish his term. Show them that he has attacked anybody who could be his successor so the MAGA movement will collapse as soon as he’s gone.
Let them know that they will be prosecuted like the guards for Hitler’s concentration camps. Just following orders won’t be any excuse. Even if they manage to avoid prison time, the fact they worked for ICE means that when Trump’s out of office, nobody will ever hire them again. It doesn’t matter if they were just doing it to feed their families, being a former ICE member will be seen like being a former member of the Gestapo, a mark of shame for their families for decades to come.
Tell them that hiding their faces isn’t enough. Ask them if they fully trust every other ICE agent, or if ICE might have been infiltrated by protesters. Point out that their fellow agents have already screwed up and left behind lists of ICE agents when they’ve had to leave a place in a hurry. Tell them that with modern cameras it’s just a matter of time before an unusual mole or the edges of a tattoo are enough to identify them.
Then tell them that there’s only one way to salvage their reputations and their future career prospects, and that’s to become whistle blowers.
Nice story, but January 6th rioters were all eventually given a pass, and that’s what the ICE clowns anticipate. Just following orders, etc.
They were…by Trump. He’s gone in this scenario.
And in order to prosecute, you need an opposition party win or a republican with a backbone.
opposition party will win. unless democracy in this US is totally subverted (Unfortunately a real possibility). The real question is whether or not this Democrats have learned their lesson from last time, and be swift and bold.
True, true. I don’t think many other Republicans who could win an election would have been willing to pardon the Jan. 6ers, but simply not taking action? Yeah, they’d do that easily.
Jan 6 rioters got a pass because Trump was elected. Once Trump is dead, that’s no longer going to be possible.
most of them got slap on the wrist even before the election began, it was clear they dont want to upset the voter base of republicans.
Most of them weren’t caught doing anything more than breaking into the capitol building. The ones who actually attacked cops or did something violent got standard prison sentences for those kinds of crimes. Sure, I would have liked longer sentences. But, these were mostly first-time offenders who didn’t do a violent crime, so they got sentences that go with that. The aim of the justice department wasn’t to try to put them in prison for as long as possible, but to treat them the same as any other criminal. Maybe the idea was that that was going to make the cases harder to overturn on appeal because there wasn’t any hint of political bias in the sentencing.
I think it would have had a pretty solid deterrent effect if Trump hadn’t come back and commuted their sentences / pardoned them. But, pardoning them is yet another way he’s completely throwing away the rule book.
Tons of sociopaths are watching Trump and taking notes. With series reforms to both our society and political system, this will just happen again and with Peter Thiel practically owning JD Vance, it could be sooner than you think.
Trump is a one in a million manipulator. There’s a reason this hasn’t happened since Hitler and Mussolini. Various others like Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, etc. have all tried to use the same playbook and failed completely. If you think MAGA is going to fall in line behind couchfucker JD Vance, you’re deluded. A big reason that Trump picked him as VP is that he knew Vance was no threat to him.
There’s a reason this hasn’t happened since Hitler and Mussolini
That’s a wild statement to make considering that Putin is a household name these days.
Putin is hardly a charismatic leader. Might as well throw in Maduro or Noriega, or Saddam Hussein if you’re going to talk about leaders who ruled through fear and force rather than charisma.
Putin has been more often than not genuinely popular with Russians; he was very successful at creating a persona that worked in his culture to secure and maintain power.
And while Maduro wasn’t charismatic, Chavez certainly was
Trump picked Vance because he thought Vance was physically good looking enough to be his VP. No joke.
But not charismatic enough to challenge him. That’s key.
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Vance may be champing at the bit, but he’s also fucking at the couch, and there’s no way that MAGA will fall in line behind him.
Presidential pardon does cover state offenses.
Oh hell yeah. And I’d add this:
The truth is that they are counting on getting a signing bonus in five years from a man who famously never pays his bills and probably won’t even be alive then, working for a woman who they think has their back but who doxxed Jonathan Ross within two hours of committing murder for her. Within a year they will wish with all their might they’d never even heard of ICE, and there will never be a moment for the rest of their lives when it does not hang over their heads.
And if they really want truth, they should go talk to some retired cops, and talk about how the passage of time eats away at the excuses while magnifying the bare facts of one’s own actions, to the point that a disproportionate number of them eat their guns. So whichever way they look, the forecast is shit in every direction. It doesn’t pay to be a murderous fucking ghoul.
And cops are well respected compared to ICE agents, in every way. I’d say about 70% of the US hates ICE agents, whereas about 50% truly like and respect cops. But, even among the die-hard MAGA Republicans who want ICE to snatch people off the street and beat up the non-whites, they still don’t respect them. They’re thugs who are working for their own side.
I totally respect where you’re trying to go, but what are these percentages you’ve imagined? Where do these numbers come from? That’s my favorite thing on the internet, people make up numbers and just proclaim them. I can’t, lol
This is the same bull shit energy you tell a kid who’s getting bullied. “Don’t worry, it’ll get better in the future.”
Delusional wishful thinking. There’s no going back, things will never be the same even after the big beautiful obituary.
Yep people want to still think that this is just a bump in the road. During Trump’s first term, I thought that there was a glimmer of hope there that this could be true, but Joe Biden’s administration proved that there is no going back. It was a pleasant four year reprieve from waking up to a fresh new hell every morning, but at this point Trump and his associated chaos and fascism are back.
Marxists of course predicted this the whole time but I was holding out a little hope that they were wrong. They were terribly, disastrously correct.
Marxists of course predicted this the whole time but I was holding out a little hope that they were wrong. They were terribly, disastrously correct.
Many such cases.
At the risk of asking a stupid question. Is this really going to help now that Trump has demonstrated that his DOJ has the power to remove criminal investigations from a local level and reassign them to a federal level? Where they will then (Of course) refuse to even investigate let alone prosecute. Is there some other way to seek accountability right now? Or do we literally have to wait for the next administration to do anything with all the evidence being recorded right now?
I read somewhere that the states can go after ICE agents if they break state law. IANAL but I think MN state lawyers are doing what they can.
The challenge is that the DoJ is obstructing state justice and withholding evidence.
Yeah, I remember hearing the same thing now that you mention it. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if anything materializes from going that route. If nothing else, Trump at-least shouldn’t be able to pardon state charges, as far as I’m aware. So maybe there’s hope for accountability in there somewhere.
They don’t that power. The state will conduct its own prosecutions.
Well, good. That does give me some hope, at least.
What’s happening is that the federal government removed evidence and refuses to cooperate with the state.
Take this with a grain of salt, because I’m not a lawyer nor am I in that space. I am simply quoting the content I heard from actual lawyers.
Trump has changed a lot of the legal world with his illegal acts. Prior to Trump, It used to be that federal court cases were often airtight. If you brought it up in federal court, it was expected both sides did their homework - all of it, every single detail. Because federal court cases were the defining “law of the land”.
Well, during the Trump administration, his cronies have so many federal lawsuits on them, often half-ass and badly made, that it’s creating a lot of deadlock on what is “the law of the land”.
So is it going to help now? No.
Is it going to help later? Absolutely. If not the Federal Court, but when we do our own Nuremberg trials.
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Future Nuremburg trials
Everyone will see.
The DNC broke that man
I know this is FUBAR, but I think its funny that the 2nd amendment actually exists for this exact reason of State’s having their own militias that they can use, but of course they’re not going to actually use it.
Walz is taking a zero confrontational approach, so he’s defnitley at fault here, but state NGs haven’t exactly been effective since before the 1940s.
If anyone remembers the University of Alabama desegragation fiasco, JFK federalized Alabama’s national guard and essentially crippled what power the state governor had as a bunch of soldiers showed up to escort students and shove him aside.
The 2nd Amendment did its thing for both sides in the 1st American Civil War. The Fascist militias won’t have exclusivity for being armed, if good people make a point of being armed and ready for the conflict to come.
hes too afraid to upset the status quo,
“I’m not going to do anything to help my state, but you all put yourselves in harm’s way so a better leader can hold ICE accountable later.”
-Tim Walz
No shit he is stepping down so he is useless.
He’s stepping down so he’s free to do what he wants without need to concern himself with reelection. What you’re seeing is what he wants to do.
So nothing?
Yep. He’s a coward.
Dude has been shot through and through, politically. He’s not a viable contender for any office anymore. The fraud thing has made him too vulnerable. He’s smart to gtfo, his pollsters and strategists know what they’re doing.
Yeah, and what they’re doing is protecting themselves while leaving everyone else to fend for themselves. Like cowards.
So he’s got nothing to lose and he’s still not doing anything.
Do the black panther Philly thing and arm yourselves
All Power to the People!
Anyone gonna ask why https isn’t working for this site? It would be pretty brain dead to put any info into there, let alone visit it. lol
Even with https your isp and others can still see you visited the site just not specific information. The register form for whatever the hell that is is indeed behind https connection.
Make sure you store it on servers outside the United States, too.
Hard copies
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Eh, the Guard seems to be more friendly towards ICE than I’d like to see. I mean, in LA they didn’t do much, same for DC, but they didn’t seem confrontational to them either.
i knew he cracked when he started peddling the status quo when the ceo was shot '24 dec, isnt thats why harris chose him, he would play it safe like her to not upset ISRAEL or the billionaires. also the fact that he dropped out of the race, means threats of violence do work, of course this comes from the right wingers.
Lol what an absolute monkey this guy is.
Why is this guy so keen on getting protestors to carry their personal surveillance devices with them? Doesn’t make sense to me why he would want to help ICE/Palantir collect data on protestors.
