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      Right. How else is Jeffries and Chuck going to afford their beach front property in Gaza if they don’t receive million from the fossil fuel lobby.

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        Don’t know about that part. It’s just rooting for a team to stand up literally and it ain’t happening as much, preventing unnecessary spending, marginalizing communities, is been the rapport for either parties. Like this is a hot take but all party motto/slogan is tip toeing too much. Some real change or something needs to happen to garter my favor.

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          Do you think chuck cares about Palestinian people. Dude spear headed so many weapon sales to Isreal. He wants every Palestinian dead. Jeffries is doing it for the money.

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              This is why I love this community, you learn so much more about politicians who favor other countries constituents vs their own or their own fictitious family that they wrote 20+ years to connect to locals…

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                from what ive heard about mr israel-schumer, this is only job ever, after college someone gave him a way to work his way into politics.

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    If they remove our legal recourse, do they think we’ll just shrug and be like “guess we have no options”?

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    Frankly? The United States is not a two parties country. It’s a no party country. Ever thought about why monopoly laws from the eighties no longer exist?

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      There is a communist party. And a green party. And like 10 more, depending where you live.

      The problem is not that there are not progressive parties. The problem is that the US is not a democracy, and it’s designed so only one party can win elections

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    I’ll be honest, I don’t really care. None of these laws mean anything if the government is completely rebuilt from the ground up. Every single thing this admin does will be worth so much burned toilet paper. All the grifts ill gotten gains will be liquidated and confiscated by whoever the fuck hangs them all in the streets, as is most likely to happen. All the bills that say shit like “no regulations on AI evar!! Lol” or “Donald Trumps name on everything, including mt Kilimanjaro for some reason” will be meaningless.

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      The only way this will happen is through violence, and even then it’s not a guarantee.

      • conservative South loss against the north in the civil war and there were no reparations or punishment.
      • Nixon came the closest to being impeached and charges were dropped as soon as he resigned, despite the fact that the votes were there. We was then fucking pardoned because “we need to move on.”
      • fucking TRUMP will “learn his lesson” for forcing Ukraine to provide opposition research on Biden in exchange for security.
      • TRUMP again when he literally caused people to storm the capitol.
      • when Biden was in office, house refused to even push more impeachment talks because “he’s not president anymore” and then got Pikachu faced when he ran again.
      • when Trump finally was found guilty in New York, the judge fucking gave him no jail time.

      Democrats refuse to hold Republicans accountable and we need to start acting like they are part of the problem.

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        democrats are just potty trained republicans, it seems to me. as an outsider america seems to have just one party that is divided.

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        You have to remember that at the time of the civil war the US was a largely agrarian and geopolitically irrelevant backwater. It was terrified that the civil war would be the beginning of the end. So the lack of reparations was partly due to the fact that the south was (and still largely is) destitute, and partly because the north wanted a genuine reunification with minimal bad blood. Not saying it was the right choice. But it was based in logic.

        Hopefully we have all learned the lesson of tolerating bigots and thieves.

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      I’ll be honest, I don’t really care.

      This is how they win, you are doing precisely what they want.

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        You misunderstand. We either win everything or nothing. If we win, nothing they did with the laws will be permanent because there will not be this set of laws anyways. I abjectly refuse to participate if we do not redo the entire system.

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          Again, that’s what they hope for. You aren’t being noble, you are just noping out when it gets hard.

          It’s more important than ever now, no matter what, make everything they try to do difficult.

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            They’re not saying “I don’t care because nothing matters”. They’re saying “I don’t care because everything they do will be meaningless when we get them the fuck out of there”.

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              Right, and what I’m saying is that is the mentality the power structure is trying to make us all feel.

              You vote every time, you show up every time. I’m not saying vote for anyone specifically, but don’t give up your power. It is not meaningless to fight these fuckers, and just waiting it out is the only guaranteed way they will win.

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            “make everything they do difficult”

            I am …?

            If we defeat them and do nothing about the system that did this, I am fucking off forever.

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              Oh, agreed. But that means we have to fight harder when the system is working against us. To defeat them, we have to keep playing the game.

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          We either win everything or nothing.

          The first is impossible without committing atrocities, and the second is a worst case.

          I abjectly refuse to participate if we do not redo the entire system.

          Abject indeed. You’ve bought the “stay home and do nothing” propaganda, which is just what they want you do do.

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            What the fuck are you talking about?

            IF WE GET OFF THE COUCH AND MURDER THE FASCISTS AND FIX EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT WOULD ALSO RENDER ALL THEIR FUCKERY WITH THE LAWS NULL AND VOID.

            I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE DO NOTHING. I AM SAYING THAT THEIR ACTIONS AND FLAILING ARE NOT IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ALL DIE FROM CLIMATE COLLAPSE IN 30-40 YEARS WITH THEM IN POWER OR WE FIX THIS SHIT AND ONLY PROBABLY DIE HORRIBLY FROM CLIMATE COLLAPSE IN 100-200 YEARS.

            I AM FIGHTING FOR THE REDUCTION IN OUR CHANCES OF DEATH.

            did you hear me that time…?

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            From an outside perspective its pretty clear that there is no coming back for the US without a violent intervention.

            With how fucked up your electoral college is, there is now option for a third party to slowly grow in support like its possible in most democracies. That means your only options are both far right corporate puppets that have no real interest in fixing the underlying problems of the country, which in turn radicalises even more people.

            Sure the Democrats are oders of magnitude better than the current nutjobs, but they historically did only the bare minimum to be seen as “the good guys” and “progressive”. Anywhere else in the world they would still be right wing conservatives. Looking at how Mamdani policies get criticized by members of his own party should be all the proof you need.

            Pretty much the only way out of this downward circle would be for 100 Million Americans to simultaneously decide to vote for the same 3rd party.

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    Oil burns a little too readily for them to be taking non-violent options off the table. A paper warehouse is nothing compared to this potential.

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    Do they realize that this will lead to more physical sabotage against oil infrastructure? If they get rid of any non-violent means of mitigating concerns, they leave only one option.

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      After what the americans have mustered against a fascist takeover I don’t think the rich are very scared about someone trying to “sabotage” the oil infrastructure…

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        Right wing violence (which includes neo Nazis, fundamentalist Christians bombing abortion clinics, etc) and fundamentalist Islam attacks make up the overwhelming majority of political violence in the USA but left wing violence exists. And of that left wing violence the majority is what they call “ecoterrorism”

        It’s not obscenely common (tbf no political violence is “extremely common” in America, statistically still very unlikely) but it does happen. It’s just far less publicized because “some people bombed an oil transport line/hummer dealership at night/etc” is not nearly as clickbaity as “weird scumbag with a manifesto about great replacement theory posted to 8chan shot 35 people”

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          It’s not nearly as much as it should be based on how many people are angry at the regime, but also the news doesn’t want to publicize it because they don’t want to give other people any ideas. Look at the response after they tried trashing Luigi, everyone loved and supported his cause, and they quickly dropped coverage.

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          I don’t want to sound condescending but so it’s both not known about and doesn’t seem to work. I mean you won’t have regime change because an insurance company has to pay elon musk for burnt unsold cars.

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    Democrats aren’t saying anything because on the real issues that effect everyone (economics) the two parties are almost perfectly aligned.
    Have been since Clinton won.

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      on the real issues that effect everyone (economics) the two parties are almost perfectly aligned.

      Is that why one has a good track record with the economy and the other absolutely fucking tanks it every fucking time?

      And it’s “affect” not “effect”. Yes, I’m being that asshole.

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        They differ in the details slightly, accounting for performance differences. But every time the interests of the asset class conflicts with the interests of the consumer class, they both make sure the asset class is happy.

        Whenever I see affect I think of people making faces. And any single economic decision effects people, while the economy as a whole affects people. With my phrasing I can see either works.

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          Affect is a verb: the rising grocery and gas prices are affecting my spending choices.

          Effect is a noun: the effect of rising grocery and gas prices are changing my spending choices

          In your example: any single economic decision has an effect on people, while the economy as a whole affects people.

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            Except when affect is a noun (disposition or emotion) and effect is a verb (to bring about or make happen).

            Just to make things more difficult. :)

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    They should be making people aware of this, but those stupid laws can be repealed just as easy as they are made.

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      100%.

      No other nation/individual/extremist group/ideology on this planet could be causing America more harm than the Republican party. They are oppressive. They strip rights. They flagrantly violate the Constitution. They crush the middle and lower classes.

      They are absolutely America’s enemy and the enemy of Democracy in general.

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      After a handful of perfectly preventable climate disasters if we had acted with force 10 years ago, people will suddenly go “how could God do this to us!! Why couldn’t da gubament have done anything to protect us!!”

      Fucking idiots. I hate these people with a cold passion.