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    Sure is a good thing that she and her husband got the ball rolling for the Republicans! What would we do without deregulated and monopolistic media, Neo-liberalism globalization that gutted the middle class, deregulated markets that created the sub prime crisis of 2008, and a judicial system that punished people for being poor and/or BIPOC.

    She was not wrong, she just was also complicit.

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      YUP. So much deregulation happened under the Clinton presidency and everyone sings his praises. He’s a traitor to his constituents and country.

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    Damn that’s crazy, maybe you should have supported the popular progressive instead of getting the DNC to gg ez your primary for you lol.

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        Her husband’s been outed as a pedophile, her legacy boils down to being a whiny sore loser who ran hard right from even Obama’s politics and failed, and she personally has ensured no one with the last name clinton will ever hold a political office ever again in the country.

        As far as modern consequences for rich people in the US, that’s really the best case scenario. She’s not poor enough to get Luigi’d, and she’s not dark enough to get arrested.

        Realistically the same fate is the best case scenario we have for what will happen to Trump, who will never see a jail cell, and the rest of his billionaire friends.

        The solution to being in an plutocratic oligarchy turning into a fascist oligarchy is not to support the oligarch that super duper promises not to do bad things to you, just everyone else in the world.

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            Not really, no. I fully advocate and participate in Mutual aid groups across the US, with a focus on helping homeless people find alternative solutions to state welfare (given the instability of the US state) and while I’m currently in China due to needing money and educated marxists to help plan and coordinate stateless networks, I still help out those that need help. I’ve done more for Americans than the entirety of the Clinton Family, simply because I haven’t killed any of them; but also through actual direct action and muttal aid.

            While I’m sure playing party politics makes you feel the warm fuzzies inside, and I’m sure you’re really accomplished yourself in the humanitarian outreach sphere given your attitude, I would advise learning more about how the US actually works, and how people in other oppressed countries have actually survived and thrived during and post repression; and more importantly how revolutions are actually made and performed and who makes them possible.

            Pretending that changing the genocidal oligarch in charge will make a significant difference this late into oligarchy’s natural fall into fascism is just pure cope and fantasy from those that feel powerless and are too uneducated about any other alternative. It’s like rearranging furniture during a house fire or drying off your car during a thunderstorm. It makes you feel like you’re doing something, while at best you’re merely changing the victims in hopes you will no longer be one.

            Recognizing that not one political candidate in either major party (I’ll give you 2026 bernie but not 2016 bernie, when he was still advocating for genocide) in the last hundred years has been on the side of the people is not ‘apathy,’ is a call to action to dig in locally and teach people how to build and maintain communities of trust so that when the next wave of ‘Fuck you’ from the government happens, and it will happen red or blue (just ask the people of Palestine, Ohio or Flint, Michigan or anywhere along the Keystone XL pipeline) we can survive long enough to actually maybe inspire local change. Then federal change regardless of if the oligarchy lets us or if they remove the vote or if they just rig the vote again.

            The reason fascism and oligarchy spreads so easily is because we do not trust our community, and by extension the rest of our countrymen. You do not trust random people in oklahoma doing the right thing, just as they distrust you as a blue state ninny doing the right thing. You both want the exact same thing deep down, you just have wildly differently brainwashed ideas of how to get there. And electing a Blue Suit does not fix that problem. Reaching out to them does. Connecting and helping the most vulnerable does.

            Psychopathy is rare on purpose, they kill those outside their circle. So statistically Willy G. Flicker in BFE, Louisiana that voted for Trump ten times is not a psychopath, he simply has been led to believe the Red Suit is the way to get oligarchs out of his life so he can focus on raising his family and working his job peacefully while having plenty of food on the table. Just like Gilly F.W. Licker in Portland believes Blue Suit is the way to get oligarchs out of their life so they can focus on raising their family (cats) and working their job peacefully while having plenty of food on the tablet.

            Neither are correct. The colour of the suit does not matter. The policy does. And light oligarchy is not better for you or anyone than heavy oligarchy, it just changes who suffers the most.

            Be the actual change that’s needed, get your local community focused on helping each other – without a leader involved. And if you’re all together and realize that can work, then start including nearby communities. And hey, you could call this ideology something, maybe communityism.

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                People can be verbose without AI. Once upon a time you ‘people’ were smart enough to understand that. I’m replying from the inbox but I assume you believe — (Compose + - - -) means AI. Which is actually, unironically something that only someone with a sub 40 IQ could think.

                I hope you get better soon, or at least stop letting your disease out in public.

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    If a Republican president can do it, so could Biden in order to prevent that from happening. Why didn’t he? Why didn’t Kamala run on stacking the courts in her favor?

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          It was ‘watered down’ because Obama is a Reagan-era conservative that fully believes and has wrote about supporting neoliberal economics (aka trickle down) and was using naive ‘progressive’ liberals to get elected and take the steam out of popular protest and progressive movements that did threaten the oligarchy. Just a reminder the same exact companies sat in his cabinet that sit in Bush’s and Trump’s.

          There was never any ‘Hope,’ there was never any ‘Yes we can,’ there was only ‘Please God stop protesting and don’t ever realize that with literally 2% of the country freshly homeless due to the 2008 crisis that Obama’s future cabinet members directly explicitly caused knowing it would cause a massive economic crash that there are more than enough people to actively revolt against the US government and oligarchy that have absolutely nothing else left to lose.’

          There’s a reason Biden, one of the most right-wing politicians in the History of the United States, tapped Obama and encouraged him to run for the presidency despite having practically no political, military, or economic experience outside being a mayor and senator for a couple of years.

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    I know people were saying this since at least the 80s and I wasn’t even born. Hillary’s not just stating the obvious, shes rattling off old talking points of the dem platform.

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      You’re telling me that dems have known about this problem for decades but did nothing but fundraise and campaign on it? How unlike them!

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          LOL. The Electoral College would like a word lol

          Oh yeah and remember that time in 2000 when the Supreme Court got to decide lol

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            And the Dems couldn’t wait to concede to protect norms, and then lined up to kiss Bush’s ass after 9/11, passed the Patriot Act, and even joined in gleefully to support the Iraq War.

            And the GOP turned around and called them all terrorists regardless.

            Not only are they immoral pieces of shit, they’re also horrible at any form of strategy against the GOP.

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        “Progress we made in allowing for this to happen”.

        Democrats are complicit in all the shit happening. They shit on republicans but then never do anything to change things when they are back in power. Fuck that cunt, even if she was right. A broken clock is correct twice a day too.

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          Democrats lack power -> Republicans do evil shit -> Democrats can’t stop them -> Blame the Democrats -> Democrats lack power -> Republicans do evil shit ->

          On and on and on. If your house was burning down, you’d blame the firefighter, not the arsonist.

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            It’s more like this:

            Funny how republicans always seem to have power to make things worse, but democrats never have enough power to reverse these things.

            Almost as if both parties are funded by the same billionaires pushing the same agendas, just in different colors.

            You need to stop consuming their propaganda (from both parties).

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              You need to stop working off of vibes and think about policy. Off the top of my head:

              Obamacare, anti-monopoly regulation, non-compete agreements ban, Russia sanctions + Ukraine support, not ignoring covid, women’s bodily autonomy, CLIMATE CHANGE

              But fuck it, you didn’t get ice cream, the total destruction of capitalism, and a blow job on top of that, so now we have AI-enhanced gestapo invading cities. It’s very easy to be the enlightened centrist and say “both sides same” when it clearly isn’t actually impacting your life.

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              Ratchet effect is a made up talking point facists propagate on the internet to suppress voter turn out.

              Fun fact: they call it an “effect” to make it sound scientific and well researched. It’s really just a fabricated fantasy to encourage apathy and hopelessness.

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                It’s the reality. USA is fucked with its two party system, both funded by the same billionaires with the same agendas. It’s sad you don’t see it, just look at where it got you… It got you to fascism, ironically.

                The world saw it coming long ago, then it came, and now it’s right in front of your nose and yet, here you are, still defending the system that got you into this fascist pedo mess.

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                  I get you want to spread fascist propaganda, but “the ratchet effect” isn’t real in any sense.

                  The system is fucked, but not because of scary made up propaganda. It’s fucked because clowns spread FUD and hopelessness to suppress voter turn out. In the end it leads to facism and a country ruled by pesos and rapists, it’s sad you don’t see it.

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              Republicans have power because Republican voters choose to give it to them. The only reason I ever hear for that is that “Democrats don’t do enough”. The only excuse Democrats ever have for not doing enough is that Republicans have power.

              By “having power”, I’m not referring to having a 51 majority. One or two corrupt dissidents is common for a political party, so it needs safeguards against no votes. Any “49” party still has a lot of sway as long as they can convince anyone. I’m talking about having 80% power.

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            Given the Democrats have twice won both Houses and the Presidency - and in 2009 held an advantage the GOP hasn’t since Reconstruction, that of supermajority.

            To pretend they “lack power” is simply nonsense.

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            i suspect many non-voters fall in 2 camps, they like republicans but cant openly support or vote for them so they go for someone like jill stein or rfk jr(like 2million went to both) to appear like they are not trumpers and then the totally ignorant ones that dont vote(this doesnt affect me now and my vote doesnt matter)

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          they also have been banking on “not trump, or not bush” obama somewhat broke that mold slightly, but this embolden racist even more.

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    they have no need, 6-3 is already a supermajority. thats why they have been brazen in the last 2 years repeal every case they can, they cant touch interracial relationships yet, because alot of gop are married to poc wives. they made sure thier scotuses arnt that old fart, if they are about to step down they replace it under 30days much like with RBG.

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    That slogan was truly ahead of its time. It kinda works in 2026 in an ironic sort of way.