Due to a (now former) admin of the instance anarchist.nexus calling for a member of our team, as well as anyone else they call a zionist, to be murdered, the instance has been defederated.
We’re currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.
We will share further updates once we have them.
Update 2026-04-22 23:25 UTC: anarchist.nexus federation has been reactivated.
We are still discussing this matter, but there is currently no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while lemmy.dbzer0.com is federated.
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From what I saw, the ‘call to murder’ was someone having kill all zionists in their username, and that only makes sense as a real call to violence if we’re supposed to take everyone’s username seriously and literally. That would be a very weird world to be in, as then we’d have to accept that we’re reading posts written by Star Trek characters come to life, inanimate objects, and various bodily fluids. Without evidence of something worth taking more seriously, at best this looks like the admin team doing something silly, and obviously certain groups of Lemmy users will interpret it less charitably and as the LW admin team being pro-genocide. Neither is a good look.
My handle is serious. Deadly serious.
Surprise surprise Lemmy isn’t entirely different from Reddit in that:
- It kills a community over the name of one user (yes I’m aware it was an admin)
- Said admin had beef with this user, which they conveniently left out in their post description
- It’s got shameless hypocrisy too where calls to death from zionism is acceptable but not the other way around
For the record, I am not for calling anyone’s death as that’s not my thing, but have some consistency hypocrites. Smh.
I don’t agree. I don’t think people should have usernames of the form “kill all [certain type of people]”.
If someone condemns Israel’s actions against Palestinians then okay. But I don’t think it’s right to call for the deaths of people you disagree with. Even the worst criminals should arguably not be killed with the death penalty, but instead imprisoned for life.
During an active military conflict, killing isn’t applying the death penalty just for disagreeing with someone, it’s typically the only remotely viable way to stop them committing whatever act they’re in the middle of. When that act is genocide, killing them is almost universally the only moral action as anything else, even if it still stopped them, would take longer and in doing so let more genocide happen.
If they’ve been stopped by other means, e.g. economic sanctions make genocide too expensive to continue, then many genocidal acts carry the death penalty under international law. That’s ethically dubious, but it’s far from the biggest problem with anti-genocide law given that it’s blatently not actually preventing genocide. If the username were just apply international law to zionists, then it’d still be promoting killing people.
It’s also misleading to reduce zionists to certain type of people, as it conjoures up ideas based on inherent identity that are obviously bad to persecute before more directly comparable types of people like murder enthusiasts actively committing murders and refusing to stop despite pressure to. No reasonable person would say armed police were unjustified in shooting someone who was stabbing someone else after they’d been already told to drop their weapon. Not all zionists are actively killing people, but they are all calling for it to be allowed to continue, otherwise they inherently wouldn’t be zionists.
Surely it isn’t necessarily true that every single zionist supports bombing Gaza. “Zionist” apparently means:
Surely some people within that definition support the existence of Palestine alongside Israel, and they oppose any harm done to Palestinian civilians. For example there is an Israeli charity, B’Tselem, which apparently supports Palestinian rights, although I don’t know much about them.
Supporting the state of Israel, at a time when it is actively committing a genocide, is supporting the genocide. Genocide should be a red line that forces people to stop supporting its perpetrators, and anyone who doesn’t withdraw support once a genocide starts must be, on some level, okay with it.
Existing within a state doesn’t automatically imply support for it. Most people have at least something they want their state to stop doing, and that can and does include existing. It’s hard to say that a charity issuing statements that Israel is an “apartheid regime”, “no longer a democracy” and “committing genocide” supports the state of Israel.
There are also plenty of people who, if asked, would say they support the state of Israel, but wouldn’t support genocide, and not see that as contradictory because they’re under the impression that Israel isn’t committing a genocide. What they’re supporting isn’t the state of Israel, it’s a hypothetical alternative state of Israel that doesn’t exist. If (pretending for a moment that the USS Enterprise wasn’t decommissioned in 2017 and was currently in the Strait of Hormuz) someone who mistakenly believed the United Federation of Planets was real expressed support after hearing in the news that the USS Enterprise had fired on other ships, it’d be most reasonable to just ignore them rather than assuming their opinion of their imaginary state was relevant to what their opinion of the real United States would be.
There are probably people who support the existence of Israel without supporting what Bibi and his government have done. Opposition politicians in Israel, for example.
Surely in any country there will be people (such as opposition politicians and activists) who oppose the current government’s actions, without wanting the state itself to be dissolved. Even in very authoritarian countries like North Korea there might be such people, although of course they would have to keep their views private, due to near-certain persecution otherwise.
I think speech on the issue of killing zionists is more serious than Star Trek and cum farts, because there’s a war actively going on. And killing Zionist civilians during a war is starting to sound pretty war-crimey. We should only be killing Zionist soldiers.
If someone said “Murder all Martians. Rimu is a martian.” and then we spend hours debating whether it’s ok to kill martians or not then that would be a waste of time. Because I am not a martian. Obviously there are situations where murdering Martians can be justified - the problem is someone calling for me to be killed based on made-up bullshit. Let’s talk about that.
Ya, Kaplan needs to be removed from his admin/mod duties ASAP. He sees lemmy.world has his personal and private property and thinks he can do whatever he wishes. That is not what a community is about.
He is the typical reddit mod that we all hate. That is one of the reasons why we are on lemmy rather than on reddit. And yet, we are letting it happen here again? Fuck no. We need to be on the look out and stop such things as soon as possible, before they become too big to deal with.
He’s not the only one
I am confused. If the admin in question is no longer an admin, what’s the need for defederation?
Because this was their goal and the admins was just the excuse they’re using to get rid of another instance world can see
Lmao wait, there are conspiracy theorists on lemmy?
defederation was done while this person was still an admin
Will the two instances work to refederate now that the (former) admin is no longer in power?
No the Lemmy.world admins continue to vigorously project their insecurities.
the tea is all over yepowertrippinbastards, and i gotta say i agree with the prevailing sentiment. mrkaplan is making a bad move, but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation that pervades .world.
but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation
No, you know what, keep the typo; it’s correct.
you’ve proven discussion with you is not worth anyone’s time
it’s not a typo, but I can see the syntax is unclear
despite pretending neutrality, .world bases it’s moderation on political motivations
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love when they try to poison the well and encourage dog piling. shows they are truly grounded in good faith. /s
Everyone bases their decisions on political motivations, it’s part of being a political species.
sure, but why didn’t the admins just advertise their real politics instead of pretending they aren’t prozionist
despite pretending neutrality, .world bases it’s moderation on political motivations
Do you wanna just get the “muh freeze peach” part over while you’re at it and save us some time? You just say they’ve feigned neutrality but then never back it up because a) you know it’s provably horseshit, and b) it doesn’t matter because you’re trying to separate things into political and apolitical categories that fundamentally do not exist and – as we all know from conservatives pulling this schtick for decades – only hurt the victim by silencing what you determine to be “political” speech and actions.
Yes, it’s political that an instance admin called for another instance’s admin to be killed; yes, it’s political to defederate from them in the sense that everything about social media and group dynamics generally is inherently political; no, I don’t think it being political is a bad thing like you’re pretending to. I’m sure you haven’t raised a squeak whenever an instance would choose to defederate from a hateful, far-right cesspit; the reality is that the person feigning care about neutrality here is you.
Edit: Oh, they moderate a Jill Stein community. Their unhinged behavior below makes way more sense now.
wow, this screed doesn’t at all debunk the accusation of overt pro-zionist moderation
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jill stein is anti Zionist, too
Dropped that whole “political” thing like a rock, didn’t you? You never said anything about “pro-Zionist moderation”; your only two comments that I replied to were whinging about “politically based” and “political motivations”, and now you’re pivoting with no acknowledgement, because you’re fundamentally arguing in bad faith.
If your problem is their specific politics, you can be upfront about that, but you deliberately chose not to, and you’ve proven discussion with you is not worth anyone’s time because of it.
Have you considered raising this with the admin team before defederating?? Or with your userbase?? I don’t wanna hear shit about hexbear is aUtHoRiTaRiAaAaAn when they have a vote before defederation instead of just throwing a tantrum and reflexively defederating a whole-ass instance because of personal drama between two admins.
Viewpoint from the other side of the discussion:
preemptive banning
Zoned out here. Sounds like digging for a pretense for a retaliatory ban and that escalated. From the 2 minutes of attention I gave this it sounds like everyone involved needs to touch grass.
yeah but they let their personal drama affect federation which makes it everybodys problem. It’s very hard to not see this as lemmy.flatworld trying to throw their weight around to bully smaller instances.
I think the admins should get over it. Defederating anyone with opposing views is not helping anyone. I especially don’t expect this from World. This is not a real threat and you know it.
THEN YOU SHOULD welcome conservative trolls that your way is wrong all the time, and trolling you. it goes both ways. unsolicited trolling is unwarranted, you are free to join that instance. just like conservatives have thier echo chambers
Trolling is not an ongoing issue from anarchist.nexus. This is just online drama between two admins affecting the whole userbase.
Ash to ash
Dust to dust
The Fediverse is becoming a beautiful example of why the best theories aren’t necessarily working out in practice, when human ego gets involved.
Let’s hope the devs and admins become more mature as their Fediverse grows
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I hope that db0 doesn’t get defederated.
I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.
We are all on the fediverse for similar reasons, we’ll be a lot more successful trying to see the nuance in people’s views instead making enemies of each other out of righteous indignation. This goes for everyone
No you actually can’t be anti-“the only group resisting genocide” while also being anti-genocide. This is like being against apartheid in south africa and telling the ANC to disarm.
You can’t believe in an ethnostate settled on other peoples land and be against the government doing settlerism.
These positions are contradictory. Either you want the jewish supremacist ethnostate to settle palestine, you don’t or you have no opinion. But you can’t have an “israel” without jewish supremacism, that’s why it’s called “israel”. It comes from judaism, it’s about a land just for jews. You either support the palestinians right to return, or you support “israel”. Because you can’t have one without the other. This is not a policy thing. This is baked into the very foundation of this so-called country.
I agree with you that you can’t support the current Netanyahu government and IDF and be anti-genocide.
Hamas abducted and kills innocent people. That’s a fact. I can be anti-genocide and anti-attacks on civilians without contradicting myself.
A two-state solution is messy and complicated but it’s what the world needs. Arabs and Jews both have claims to the land throughout history. The Jews were displaced from it due to horrific antisemitism throughout history. One horrific act doesn’t deserve another. The west (and specifically the USA) needs to withhold its support, Israel can do what it’s doing specifically because it’s emboldened by western support. It’s surrounded by Arab nations that hates its people, it could be the ones being oppressed if not for the west and the west remind of that.
The Jews were displaced from it due to horrific antisemitism throughout history.
No, Pissrael started as an explicitly colonial project. Very explicit, see e.g. the Jewish Colonial Trust. That’s why Theodor Herzl contemplated writing[1] to Cecil Rhodes (of Rhodesia infamy). That’s why there is a lost generation of “Mizrahi” Jews, why they sterilised ethiopian jews without their knowledge or consent. Zionism has always been a rich white jew first ideology. And they absolutely hate arabs and muslims. Please have a read through https://www.palestineremembered.com/ its a treasure trove.
Yeah it’s intriguing to me that there are those here who have a curious propensity to turning a blind eye to the legitimate war crimes of Hamas, Ayatollah, IRGC (and leaving aside their own domestic murder of citizens), Russia, and China. There seems to be a pattern here…
That’s not me saying I condone the disproportionate acts of Netanyahu’s far-right extremist regime either and I hope he faces charges for his war crimes.
This is the “don’t let perfect be the enemy good” crowd when it comes to resisting genocide. Youre ok with the dems supporting genocide, murder of hundreds of thousands, and tell people to support them, but when the only armed resistance of a desperate people lashes out in their desperation you condemn them immediately and would likely prefer them disarmed despite the consequences for this.
I hope you’ve never used tahini or purchased store-bought hummus before, lest you too likely supported genocide!!
By all means, I hope you’re voting in your state’s Democratic primary or better, nominating yourself as an independent candidate from AIPAC! That is of course if you’re even American… ?
Lmfao do you think either is a pissrahelli invention??? Of course I check where my groceries come from 😂 that is such a basic action
I hope you’re voting in your state’s Democratic primary or better, nominating yourself as an independent candidate from AIPAC! That is of course if you’re even American… ?
Do you know how Primaries work?
FWIW, Hamas is not the only resistance group in Palestine, just the most prominent in Gaza. There are other secular/socialist resistance groups in Palestine who aren’t trying to establish an Islamic theocracy that are probably more deserving of support.
I’m aware and most support hamas, like e.g. the popular front for the liberation of Palestine
Like Lenin, I suppose I find it hard to accept a congruence between bourgeoise religious zealotry and the imperative for socialist egalitarianism.
That image, if it’s even to be interpreted as authentic, doesn’t indicate anything more than the united front of the communists and nationalists during the Japanese occupation of China. An alliance of convenience that postpones the inevitable reckoning of incompatible ideology.
Ok but if my palestinian comrades say they are the ones to support then who am I to hem and haw about ideological differences? Also comparing Hamas to KMT is rather distasteful since Hamas is a popular (as in from the populous, though they are also well-liked) movement concerned for the well being of the people it represents, whereas the KMT was feared for their indiscriminate massacres of the people.
And I don’t think Lenin’s thoughts apply, the russian church was more than complicit, it was an important tool in the imperial oppression of the russian working class. Hamas is not a bourgeois party, there is no gazan bourgeoisie, the religious zealotry comes from the occupying jews. It’s their institutions that need to be resisted foremost.
Islam in palestine has not been allowed to develop into a dominating religion, it’s not the superstructure, rather it’s how the oppressed indigenous people come together, share their struggle, protest the suffering, like it was in Iran under the shah and SAVAK. A much more appropriate look is from marx
The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. …
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm
but how can there be a demand for happiness while the jewish occupation exists? It needs to be abolished first.
I hope and pray (since that hasn’t been made illegal here yet) for a Hamas victory and establishment of a palestinian state, where people do not have to suffer under military siege, wherein the communist struggle can bloom.
Stop. Your nuance doesn’t work with the right-wing astroturfers engaging in gaslighting here lol.
Right-wingers famously pay people to agitate for land back movements?
I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.
You describe the political stance of feddit.org and we were defed for our stance by db0 and anarchie.nexus.
somebody link this g*rman the thread below they banned me because they are zionists.
Honestly a great move from the .world admins to prevent themselves from becoming too big, and I applaud their effort to piss everyone off and make them leave for more community oriented instances lmao
Having issues with a genocidal state is one thing, calling for a specific person to be murdered is another.
Can you post the comment where they called for a specific person to be murdered? A link would be great, but even a copy/paste would do well.
Lemmy.world not beating the allegations of harboring Zionists
Because they never remove Zionist advocates
Oh no someone said something controversial on the internet, what ever will we do?
Remember when world nuked the piracy community lol.
Unless that instance is causing brigading, what’s the point of banning over a former admin with such a tame username.
The Lemmy.world team are Zionists. It is a direct death threat against them. We all know internet names are legitimate. MrKaplan has had to go into hiding due to fear for his life.
I don’t follow too much on Lemmy politics, but I don’t like saying anyone should be murdered. Why does that seem so normalized on here? Well to be fair, on the internet in general. Like to even have a discussion of well, you can say it in this case but not in that case. Wtf? We could not encourage it at all? Gives me the ick, seriously.
Because there is a pretty big group of tankies who literally are just maga version wearing “we’re the left” patches…when in reality they’re just authoritarians who can’t see nuances for shit and think if anyone who disagrees with them should be put against a wall and shot. It’s why hexbear was defederated and now more and more instances like hexbear who are realizing their echo chamber is being tuned out have built new instances and spilled into them.
Edit: and the tankie brigades are here to sling their useless downvotes onto comments that they don’t like lol
“Authoritarian” Hexbear has votes before defederating and argues based on what’s the best for their users and doesn’t just reflexively defederate based on interpersonal drama between two admins.
The federation dropped hexbear as a whole…not the other way around…and a shit ton of users on pretty much all instances are in support of dropping .ml because of the amount of tankie crap that comes from it, but they haven’t yet because of the lemmy devs.
so I know lemmy.world “pre-emptively defederated hexbear as a last resort” and kept throwing this “troll instance” thing around (https://hexbear.net/post/280770). but for most other instances like sh.itjust.works it was hexbear defederating due to reactionaries flooding hexbear or people just feeling unsafe around them, see
- https://hexbear.net/post/5221649
- https://hexbear.net/post/1672023
- https://hexbear.net/post/528899
- https://hexbear.net/post/458637
- https://hexbear.net/post/369410
“The federation” didn’t drop hexbear as a whole, you can just search for “vote” or “defed” in !announcements@hexbear.net and !hexbear@hexbear.net to see the votes for yourself, its all public.
When I say federation as a whole, I mean more instances have dropped hex than hex has dropped them. Just because they defed from some instances doesn’t mean that the federation as a whole hasn’t done the same. Hell even in this thread the amount of alts from hexbear here down voting anyone who says anything else is proof that the majority of hex are people who just want to spread tankie propaganda and whine when they get called out on it.
When I say federation as a whole, I mean more instances have dropped hex than hex has dropped them.
ok who dropped hexbear and why? Also I see only myself and two others from hexbear.
