• chilldrivenspade@lemmy.world
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    this will really piss off a bunch of white redneck evangelicals that use israel to validate their death wish on society

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    If there is a “Jewish day Parade” I’ll be there, but specifically Israel is super problematic; don’t know how any sane person can support anymore

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      This. “Hey, instead of parading for the ethnicity that has been victim of discrimination and genocide for millenia, let’s parade for the white colonizers larping as said ethnicity to gain Victim Points™!”

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        I am genuinely curious who you believe is ethnically Jewish if Israel is white colonizers pretending to be Jewish? I hear somewhat frequently that there aren’t “real” Jews anymore because intermixing with Europeans (and other ethnicities) diluted their bloodline too much, and it feels not only doublethinky but almost eugenicist.

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            Oh no doubt, it is both a theocracy and a racial supremacy, with lighter skinned Jewish supremacy to boot. My concern has been with the seeming erasure of Jewish ethnicity through conflation with White Supremacy as the big societal evil of our time.

            It just skeeves me out and feels basically racist when people call Israel white European settler colonialism. Like only the evil European White Man could be so evil, so they obviously aren’t “real” Jews. It has the same energy as white supremacists not counting Jews as white, just flipped and repackaged. Maybe it’s just racial purity testing in general not sitting right with me, I don’t like it when either political side does it.

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    I think the funniest part of this is I wandered over to the conservative areas of the internet to see the reaction and they’re fighting each other on how to feel about this. They all hate Mamdani, but half are as anti-Israel and “America first” that they’re asking why there’s an Israel Day parade and screaming at the pro-Israel groups that are mad at Mamdani for not going.

    If nothing else, him doing this has given a fun show.

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        It’s just an NYC thing, not American, as they have one of the densest Jewish populations in the US. I’d never heard of it either

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        Why not? The greatest thing about America is that it is a cultural melting pot where we all get to celebrate and share our cultures with each other. We have clearly lost sight of that these days with the fascist coup, but it’s still in our nation’s DNA.

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          Celebrating one’s culture can be wonderful. Celebrating Jewish heritage is perfectly fine.

          Celebrating Israel is not celebrating Jewish heritage. Israel is an evil nation that not only commits attrocities, but fuels violent anti-Western extremists at the same time.

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          I’m of mixed descent but if I had an offficial any of those countries day that politicians were expected to go to I wouldn’t like that. I don’t even like canada day. I don’t like any country day.

          [insert culture here] market and festival type events are great though I like traditional food, dance and crafts, etc. Celebrate the people not the country, and celebrate the culture only if it doesn’t involve killing civilians.

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    israel no longer deserves any celebratory recognition. they have overstepped any justification they had in avenging the hamas raid

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        Since its very inception. I.e., the 40s. And before its inception the people that were fighting for even getting Israel off the ground were bombing places, and organizing massacres of civilians.

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          Zionists have been colonizing Palestine since the late 1800s; the only difference between that and its so-called inception in the 40s are aid and recognition from western governments.

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      Independent reporters say there is ample proof the attack was a false-flag. The IDF is full of psychotic assholes, It wouldn’t surprise me a bit that they’d kill their own people.

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        A lot of those reports are nonsense. There’s solid evidence that several dozen, maybe a hundred at most, people were killed by friendly fire, which tends to get exaggerated to “every single victim at the Nova festival was killed by helicopter strafing under the Hannibal Directive.” Neither side anticipated how easy the siege would be to break, and the resulting undisciplined bloodbath isn’t out of line with similar anticolonial revolts throughout history. I don’t think there’s any reason to jump to conspiracy theories to explain the results of the Israeli government getting lost in its militaristic hubris and dehumanization of Palestinians.

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        It doesn’t even matter though. That festival was taking place on land that was stolen from Palestinians not long before. It was not their land to be festive on. The people who moved there knew exactly what they were doing and frankly had it coming.

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      What do you mean “no longer”? The whole country is founded on the ethnic cleansing of 700000 Palestinians. They were massacring entire villages in the 40s! When in the fuck was that ever deserving of a fucking parade? What the fuck?

      https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

      Read this article. This is what Israeli genocide scholars had to say about the genocide less than a week after october 7th. It was already clear then and there that what Israel was doing was a genocide. Was the genocide justified then? When did it stop being justified? Two months later when South Africa launched its ICJ court case against Israel for committing a genocide, complete with about 100 pages of damning evidence of what Israel had been doing for the past two months? From when to when do you, personally, think the genocide was justified?

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      They never deserved it. The Israel project has been stealing land from Palestinians since the late 1800s. It was only during / after WW2 that they began to receive co-signs from western governments, hence the misnomer that Israel was founded as a response to WW2.

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    Israel has no right to exist

    Let alone a fucking parade

    Israel should be dissolved and returned to the Palestinians. It’s Palestine.

    The current population of wrongfully placed settlers can fuck off and move somewhere else.

    Y’all can figure it out, after all you’re the fiercest and most adaptive people in the world, right?

    Not to mention you’re narcissistic enough to believe you’re chosen by God over all other human beings on Earth.

    Judaism is a fascinating faith but Zionism and by extension the entire failed experiment that has been known as Israel is just a disgusting warped off shoot that needs to be extinguished.

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    Israel is a uniquely evil entity that has lost its legitimacy as a nation state. Why on Earth would any sane human go to a parade for it?

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      I like how people here have this delusional idea that sovereign legitimacy is based on morality rather than hard power. Countries exist solely because they have the means to exclusively control the territory they occupy. Sovereignty is not given, but taken. It’s why the Taliban rules Afghanistan however they want even though they have no legitimacy in the world.

      If morality was the basis of sovereignty, we would have like maybe a dozen countries who would be worthy of being soverign.

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      IIRC there’s either more Jews in NYC than in Israel, or it’s the place with most jew (except Israel). So it kinda makes sense. Just like there’s a lot of Cubans in Miami. They probably have cuba-related parties too.

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        But judaism =/= zionism. Norman Finkelstein lives in New York. I assure you he also does not attend this parade.

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          I know. But just based on numbers, if there are a lot of Jewish people, there’s probably lots of Zionists.

          Even if just 10% of NYC Jews are Zionists, that’s a lot of Zionists.

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            Fair point, I understand and agree. But I’m also never ever going to pass up on an opportunity to make the distinction between zionism and judaism explicit.