• Salamence@mander.xyzOP
      23·
      1 month ago

      Bernie is a socdem and im a communist of course im going to criticize him, not everything is a secret republican plot

      • alekwithak@lemmy.worldBanned from community
        7·
        1 month ago

        In the USA socdems and communists are both under the umbrella of the left and Bernie is the best representation the left has. Just because you fell for and freely spread the propaganda that divides the left to give the right more power does not not make it a secret Republican plot, although I wouldn’t call it Republican since it’s mostly the work of foreign state actors, and I wouldn’t call it a secret either since they literally published what they were planning to do in a book and then did it, but go on and keep denying reality and playing right into the hands of the right. You’re really helping communism by driving that wedge even further!

        • Lunar@lemmy.ml
          13·
          1 month ago

          anyone who isn’t fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist does not represent the left in any way, shape, or form

          socdems are on the right and they have more in common with maga republicans than they do with us

        • Salamence@mander.xyzOP
          12·
          1 month ago

          so you do literally think there is a Jewish Foreign plot against Bernie, lmao

          Also apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao.

            • Salamence@mander.xyzOP
              14·
              1 month ago

              Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws

          • dev_null@lemmy.ml
            4·
            1 month ago

            Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let’s seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down.

              • dev_null@lemmy.ml
                1·
                1 month ago

                He wants to take over 50% of the companies without paying them. If that’s not seizing then I don’t know what is.

                Edit: If the downvoters want to tell me where I’m wrong, I’d be glad to be corrected.

                • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
                  2·
                  1 month ago

                  Edit: If the downvoters want to tell me where I’m wrong, I’d be glad to be corrected.

                  Fifth amendment to the constitution states: “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation” meaning this proposition is straight up unconstitutional unless they amend it to pay. And i assume Bernie do know constitution of his own country so i have no clue how he proposed it like this unless it is to stir a shitstorm about “seizing” and then amend it as “compromise”.

            • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml
              7·
              1 month ago

              Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized?

              • kurwa@lemmy.world
                2·
                1 month ago

                It’s not buying it, it’s seizing it. That’s means taking by force, you don’t pay for that. Try reading.

      • alekwithak@lemmy.worldBanned from community
        5·
        1 month ago

        That’s a productive line of thought. Let’s just bend over and let the rich fuck us since there’s nothing left.

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          4·
          1 month ago

          Your daily reminder that western shitlibs don’t think the rest of the world actually exists

    • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
      17·
      1 month ago

      nazi.world coming up to tell us what it’s like to be progressive.

      did i miss this guy’s new nazi symbol tattooed on his chest or something?

        • XeroxCool@lemmy.world
          6·
          1 month ago

          Some northeastern rep/candidate on the democratic side has a totenkopf skull tattoo on his chest. That’s your keyword because I can’t remember the rest

    • itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world
      8·
      1 month ago

      Yeah so being progressive means being able to take criticism. Even seeing the value of it.

      And yeah, this is a dogshit thing to say by Bernie. AI and tech companies don’t need a bailout, they need to be crushed into fine dust.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      6·
      1 month ago

      Communists tend to be critical of social democrats, considering the question of advancing to socialism or reforming capitalism is an irreconcilable schism. It’s absolutely organic.

    • cinoreus@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 month ago

      No dude, his proposal is a genuine recipe for disaster. I mean, disaster for Americans not for the AI companies. Do you think 50% ownership in these companies mean governance? Maybe but it’s not going to stop them from spending like crazy, which they already are. Bernie is framing it as democracisation of profits, but with an impending bubble that’s about to pop, it will most likely end up with democratization of losses. What’s worse this also would become a very nice excuse for future bailouts as now millions of people’s wealth is tied to the companies. In long term, it’s going to benefit the AI companies more.

  • stephen@lazysoci.alEnglish
    26·
    1 month ago

    I’d like the American public to own the percentage of ownership stake as the portion of public monies that went into the development of drugs owned by for-profit companies.

      • StinkySocialist@lemmy.mlEnglish
        5·
        1 month ago

        I have my concerns about Bernie being pro Isreal too. 😞

        I definitely want to stop the genocide at any cost. In case that wasn’t clear.

        Am I missing something comrade? Or just a misunderstanding?

          • StinkySocialist@lemmy.mlEnglish
            6·
            1 month ago

            Totally makes sense comrade.

            I can see why his plan is natsoc. Thanks for explaining.

            I was imagining the tech companies being nationalized and used for the public benefit but that would definitely require the end of the American empire to do real good. Getting ahead of myself I guess. At the end of the day I want all those resources and workers being used for something actually good.

            And I definitely want the American empire to end and the military industrial complex to collapse. 🛠️✊

    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 month ago

      Unfortunately, you have to. It’s in the Constitution, see the Takings Clause.

      During the Revolutionary War, the Continental army caused a lot of ill will by simply seizing supplies from civilians without compensation. The army was desperate. They didn’t have money. So sometimes they just took what they needed.

      In response to this, James Madison made sure to write into the Constitution that the federal government cannot take any property without paying its owner the fair market value of the property. The government can take your house in eminent domain if it needs to build a highway, but it has to pay you the value of your house in exchange.

      I suppose the federal government could start up its own federal AI initiative, using government-owned data centers. But there’s no way for it to nationalize the AI companies without purchasing them at fair market value. And while there are plenty of things this administration is willing to ignore the constitution for, this isn’t one of them.

          • StinkySocialist@lemmy.mlEnglish
            6·
            1 month ago

            Who said I was doing anything? I just see the writing on the wall. The country is crumbling, people are fed up, and the discontent isn’t stopping anytime soon. Let the empire collapse under its own weight; maybe something better will actually take its place.

      • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
        2·
        1 month ago

        Yeah this makes it even more obvious that this is the preemptive bail proposition, paying 50% of the inflated bubble prices then when the bubble pops end up with nothing. Prime example of privatising the gains, socialising the costs.

      • fartemoji@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 month ago

        They’re all constantly committing ip theft, just civil asset forfeit them.

        Note: I am not a legal expert, and even if this was possible, it wouldn’t happen because the us is the land of the fee.

  • zbyte64
    12·
    1 month ago

    Doubt it will happen but if it did they will blame the inevitable bubble pop and depression on socialism.

  • canniest_tod@lemmy.world
    3·
    1 month ago

    I’d really appreciate it if Bernie and co would go whole hog. 50% is a half measure, whereas proposing full nationalization would be more respected on a world stage and probably in congress.

  • garbage_world@lemmy.world
    1·
    1 month ago

    It’s generally a good idea, but 50% is a bit too much, unless the US wants to nationalize them.

    I’m no economist, but 5-20% of ownership doesn’t feel bad.