Yet people keep recommending products by this scummy company and pile on Firefox for slightest missteps.
Mozilla should be scrutinized, even if Firefox is currently the best option.
I think the only thing keeping them inline is loud community backlash everytime they make one of those misssteps.
People dont seem to be scrutinizing though. Its genuinely unhinged and often completely misinformed. They will jump on a single line of a legal text and use it to springboard into a world of scenarios even when Mozilla is saying its not true.
It doesnt help improve the product it just makes people think all products are bad and fallback to whatever the comfortable majority is which is chrome.
Sometimes corporations lie.
It’s not being unhinged to say you don’t like something. And the way that Mozilla is embracing “AI” is not welcomed.
Who cares it’s a corporation, it doesn’t have feelings. Anything to keep these corpos in line.
Tell this to the Steam fanboys
I think everyone should be held to the same standard. We can yell at Firefox a bit less. We should yell at Brave a lot more.
Same standard means we make noise when we don’t like something.
Sorry man, but the minute Firefox added that keylogger, I dipped.
Firefox rendering engine is dogshit and they are massively behind.
This coming from someone that was using Netscape and Mozilla and Firefox since its release.
Firefox doesn’t include a keylogger. It does have the infamous privacy preserving attribution but this can easily be disabled in settings.
In contrast, Chrome is literally a tool for Google to gain as much personal information as possible for Googles advertisement platform. It has the worst privacy features of the three major browsers and cannot be fully made private due to crippled extension support.
Firefox engine has some catching up to do, but the Safari rendering engine is behind Firefox on features.
Okay, it was always allowed to shoot yourself in the foot by going Chromium-based.
I find LibreWolf to be the better option for privacy, I never have an issue with rendering.
I don’t know what you’re on about. There is no keylogger and I don’t have any issues with the engine unless it’s some weird ass “chrome experiments” style website which I couldn’t care less about.
You either die a Netscape Navigator, or you live long enough to become a… any of em, really.
They removed the paw, they are worse than Chrome! I’m going to use an alternative version that cannot exist without the main project to teach them a lesson!
All of the current browsers have major drawbacks. Brave has many features that other browsers don’t offer. They’ve made what is quickly becoming the industry standard adblocker, being adopted by Firefox, Waterfox, Comet, and even Ladybird browser. No extensions required.
Most browsers don’t allow you to easily toggle on and off certain privacy features on a per-site basis. That’s why I use it primarily.
Origin is free on Linux.
Until Servo and Ladybird are ready, this strikes the best balance for privacy and usabllity, in my opinion
Brave has many features that other browsers don’t offer
Such as? Crypto nonsense?
The adblocker? OK I guess, except they are still just a middle man for ads (hence the crypto nonsense).
I dont see the value.
Why do you ask questions that I already answered in the comment you replied to?
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Most browsers don’t allow you to easily toggle on and off certain privacy features on a per-site basis
I don’t know what “certain features” are. LibreWolf lets me easily enable WebGL on per-site basis and uBlock could always do that anyway. I don’t need to touch anything else.
Origin is free on Linux.
Yes, and you can also toggle everything off via config. That does not matter, it’s still a scummy move that should be ridiculed. How, exactly, is a dashboard that toggles some settings on or off is worth 60 dollars? It’s not “paying for convenience” it’s a tax on tech incompetency.
I don’t know what “certain features” are.
Would you like to know or were just just wanting to be contrarian?
How, exactly, is a dashboard that toggles some settings on or off is worth 60 dollars?
It’s not. And its not supposed to be. Its to fund the development of the browser.
It’s not. And its not supposed to be. Its to fund the development of the browser.
“Deal with worse UX or pay us to develop more crap” is not a good way to entice “voluntary” donations. Though I guess they know their audience is full of copium anyway, maybe it is an effective way at least, we’ll see.
Would you like to know or were just just wanting to be contrarian?
Funny you should say that, usually when I check tech threads - somehow you’re always there being downvoted to all hell for writing something edgy in a very pedantic (i.e. obnoxious) way. Including this thread. You could have just listed the damn features twice already when prompted about them, but you’re actively choosing to continue bullshitting as though you’re on twitter and farming for clout. I think I’ll just block you now.
“Deal with worse UX or pay us to develop more crap” is not a good way to entice “voluntary” donations.
That’s okay because that’s not what’s happening, as I’ve already explained. It is a purchase, not a donation. It’s not a novel approach, many other beloved FOSS software take a similar approach to secure funding. Off the top of my head, Zorin OS, Immich, OSMAnd, OnlyOffice, Cryptpad, etc.
You could have just listed the damn features twice already when prompted about them
I was never prompted. You could have just asked. But I think it’s abundantly clear at this point that you just don’t want to know.
Thank you for blocking me, I appreciate it.
Firefox users stay winning. I love how mad some people are about Firefox.
I am not mad about Firefox. I am mad about Mozilla.
won so much uninstall when it showed a world cup advert to everyones face the other day. the forks are great, but the fox is getting enshitificated in every possible way.
Not this face. Didn’t see shit. Where?
On the mobile app, when you open it there’s a non-removable FIFA widget in the home page. I hate it.
Edit: I’ve tried again and now they added an option to remove it. But still, why would I want a fucking soccer widget in my browser?
Yeah it’s doing that to me too. The ‘Countdown to the world cup’ thing? Fuck the world cup, fuck these ads, I’m only still using Firefox because I can’t be bothered to migrate all my bookmarks to something better.
Exactly, and the world cup of soccer is managed by FIFA, one of the most evil organisations in the world.
Firefox is a beautiful product managed by a retarded company. Mozilla should die and just become a non-profit.
FIFA, one of the most evil organisations in the world
Sorry, but no matter how bad and corrupt FIFA is, calling them that is ridiculous. Your average American health care/insurance company and their “deny, defend, depose” operation is probably worse.
What would be better though?
I have my problems with mozilla, but between apple, google and mozilla, they absolutely win in my book.The Firefox forks let you migrate everything seamlessly for the most part.
I also use a fork on most systems, but I still use Firefox pretty often, and I can think of a lot more ways it could be worse and isn’t being enshittified.
Didn’t even notice it
Brave lets people use Origin for free if they’re on Linux
lol
Brave thinks its users are suckers
Its founder and CEO thinks that gay people shouldn’t have rights, too.
Pay for adblock by the guy who made us need NoScript.
To be fair…most of the general population are indeed suckers.
To be fair, brave users are suckers
I don’t use Brave, but one correction. From the article: "Brave sells Origin to strip added features—a $60 one-time fee (free on Linux). "
Brave thinks its Windows and OSX users are suckers, not its Linux users apparently.
I feel like if you’re writing the sentence “an optional, paid version of our browser that offers Brave […] without its extra features,” you need to sit back and take a long, hard look at yourself.
Adds features and asks for a payment to access the toggle buttons
hahahahahaha
The bad news is, if you’re not on Team Tux, you’re going to have to pay $60 for Brave Origin. Granted, you only need to buy it once, and you’ll get unlimited activations across all of your devices.
It’s amazing people still believe this BS.
They’ll probably hold to it for that exact product. If they rebrand it and add it back, that’s no longer the same thing you paid for ;)
Reminds me of a joke:
My dad always warned us about Septic Tank Steve, and that we should never pay him to do anything, and we should have listened. One day Steve came by and said if we gave him a nickel, he’d swim around in the septic tank. We thought that was hilarious, so we gave him a nickel, and he swam around the tank a while. Then he came and sat next to us on the porch and said “If you want me to leave, gimme $100.”
Well, we’ll toss him back in if he likes it so much. Maybe sell off the ladder if he really wants to stay :)
Brave runs an ad network.
That’s a brave move.
I don’t use Brave, and don’t recommend it to people, but it seems like the $60 is intended as a donation/“vote-with-your-wallet on how we monetize” type product rather than something that is actually worth that much.
It doesn’t change all of the OTHER problems with Brave, but it might be a step in the right direction when it comes to monetization? Pay once vs. LLM/crypto/injected ads
https://account.brave.com/?intent=checkout&product=origin
Brave Origin is a paid version of the browser for users who don’t need all the features that support Brave as a business, but still want the privacy that only Brave offers. Origin users will continue to benefit from our industry-leading privacy, adblock, and speed (via Shields), as well as regular software updates, Chromium patches, and security and privacy improvements. Origin is available on desktop and mobile versions 1.91.x and above.
- Support our mission & open-source work
- Minimalist browser UI centered on Brave Shields
- Maintain core adblock, privacy, & speed
- One-time purchase can be activated multiple times across all your devices
The top comment on that site says you can already disable all of these features from within the settings. Is this true?
It’s true, if you don’t want to spend 5 minutes customizing your browser to your needs you can use GitHub script that disables all of the features for you. But I don’t see how feature like reader isn’t handy, it often lets you bypass paywalls for free.
I think so, but it’s spread among different menus and flags. Plus if even if you disable it, it’s still there, one of the origin options sounds like it has it fully removed from the code.
I just switched to Brave because I was tired of Chrome stealing all my data and it seemed like a better browser from a privacy standpoint. I like it so far. Now I’m seeing all this hate about brave lol. I’m convinced Lemmy will hate everything I’m doing, no matter what that thing is
Try Librewolf
Zen is also really nice (based on Firefox like Librewolf).
Love it. The out of your way design philosophy is IMO a tangible improvement on every other browser I’ve tried, which is most. No AI commitment is also a win.
I used Brave for a bit after it came out. All the built-in crypto bullshit wasn’t anything I ever touched. I can’t remember if I quit some time before Chrome announced the manifest-v3, or if that made me swear off all Chromium browsers for good.
Anyway, also apparently the creators are huge assholes, so there is that, but as I never had any intent to support them financially I just thought I’d use a privacy-focused browser. Meh. Firefox has all the plugins a person could ever want.
I mean, use whatever browser you like. Lemmy is cool and basically right about a lot of things, but fuck the zeitgeist and make up your own mind about shit. I went a different way, but forge your own path.
Are brave and Plex related?
No, but brave “shields”, aka pre installed but shittier unlock origin, can sometimes break plex or other sites that require certain things that could look like trackers
I meant because Plex also added so much extra shitty shit that I never asked for and couldn’t remove, so I moved to jellyfin
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Brave Origin’s main feature isn’t what it adds but what it removes: it scraps email aliases, Leo AI, the VPN tool, the Brave Wallet implementation, and Speedreader, just to name a few features. You can either download a browser with all of those disabled, or you can upgrade your Brave browser with a panel that lets you tweak what ones you want to keep.
