I dont think its a good idea for Christians to be picking at that thread
The bible even has something to say about it:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Always loved that one.
What does the quoted passage mean and how does this painting relate?
“mote” as in a speck of dust
“beam” as in a huge plank of wood
Basically don’t point out small faults of your neighbor while ignoring huge faults of your own.
It’s a metaphor. No one has a beam in their eye. But it’s a metaphor that drops suddenly in the second half, because you can literally imagine a mote in someone’s eye.
Idk I can picture a jagged 2x4 giving me a Phineas Gage style impromptu lobotomy just fine.
Personally I went to Hunter the Parenting episode one when Kevin gets speared through the eye, don’t worry he got better.
Its a bibpe verse against hypocrisy, essentially correct yourself before correcting others. Take the log put of your eye before you take it out of someone else’s. The painting shows a guy talking with a log his face.
What the other person said but specifically take the tiny little thing out of your eye, before telling someone else to take the big huge thing out of their own.
Basically don’t criticise unless you’re perfect.
I think it’s a fantastic idea, I just don’t think they’ll like where it leads.
They’re SO deep down the hole with their big lie that they think everyone ELSE is lying to himself. Truly amazing.
Critical thinking simply stops. It’s incredible. I saw someone say to a Christian that their morality comes from divine revelation from a magic purple hippo that created the universe and the Cristian accurately identified all the problems with that argument. Then when asked where morality comes from, regurgitate the exact bullshit they themselves debunked with God in place of the purple hippo.
Yes they really celebrate blind faith explicitly. Like it makes you a better person if you can put your doubts aside and just believe. And they straight up call us all a flock of sheep. It couldn’t be more on the nose as a scam. This is why every church has a daycare attached to it: if they don’t hook you young they might not get you at all because it’s such a huge steaming pile of bullshit.
I think they’re safe, its too deep a thought for them to catch on
The best parts of theology are the parts that engage in introspection.
I’m just posting because I noticed that the W in “your whole life” is an upside down M. Goddamn typomania got me again!
Did you notice the S is upside-down?
Is it? It looks the same to me when I flip my phone. Perhaps it looks off because it’s in a bolder or newer set, like the B and some other letters. Or maybe it’s AI and every detail is random.
Did you notice that two of the four-letter “I”s are upside down as well?
How do you spell “I” with four letters?
Teye (the T is silent)
Take an I, set it immediately against the side of another I. Do that again with your other pair of Is and set them immediately atop the first pair. You now have a new I built from four Is in the same proportions. If it’s too big, scale it down or use smaller Is as components.
I can’t tell if you’re joking, but the one in “believed” now seems off and the one in “life” definitely seems right. I can’t quite tell about the other two, especially with how weird the I in “if” is generally.
They have definitely mixed together different sets of letters.
I’ve had to put letters on signs like this before. You don’t get equal numbers of every letter, less-frequent letters have fewer. And if they get broken or stolen or blow away or something, that can seriously limit you. So you figure out ways to make up for it, like flipping M upside-down for W.
Unfortunately, while I feel some compassion for the sign setter, this doesn’t help me. What I have seen cannot be unseen.
I believed that W was a W my whole life
YOUR MOLE LIFE
M’hole
tips cloaca
What if the lie is something totally not related to religion, like you aren’t a total loser and your friends really do love you and you are smart and capable?".
If your friends are wonderful people and they love you, you have to trust their judgement!
Nah.
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oh, religion. nothing embodies hypocrisy like you.
You think that’s air you’re breathing now?
The completely unrealized irony.
was going to say, if this was an abandoned church that’d make sense, (and go hard)
You do realize that your comment, “The completely unrealized irony” works both ways here, right? The person making the unsubstantiated “what if”… the person mocking the person making the unsubstantiated “what if”. There is no certainty. In the case of the church worker, it is her faith compels her to address her suggestion to the faithless… just as much it is your faith that her’s is wrong that lets you join this party.
your truth is not the one truth, their for, to say the others are a lie is inaccurate, to the point it show a bit to much about yourself and what you think of others.
Whew… I usually hate AI but I think folks who can’t throw a single comprehensible sentence down get a pass and should always paste their work into AI for some proofreading.
Others might also post the comment they are responding to into AI just to make sure they understand it.
What faith does parent poster proclaim?
Faith in his certainty that the faith of the church worker is a lie.
Is faith in truths faith?
This? This took 21 days? Dude, I have moved on. Maybe you should too?
I’m not sure you have, but ok.
If they are a typical Christian, their theology has falsifiable claims. Unless they are some kind of Unitarian. So, it does not require faith to know they are wrong about their faith.
You appear to have a great deal of faith in your own ability to read what’s happening in another’s mind and heart. Eg… you have no idea what elements of any particular religion a person considers relevant to their memberships.
If people follow an organized religion I do assume they accept, or at least don’t outwardly reject, the tenants of that theology. So, it is functionally identical to me, if not to their own internal monologue.
So, sure I’m assuming a complex, spectrum-based identity as a binary, uniform contract. However, this is probably just a defence mechanism from living amongst the crazy ones for too long.
Heyyyy now, y’all be careful with that. The knife cuts both ways.
I mean. I’d argue that the group that more frequently questions its positions and beliefs based on new evidence without killing a significant portion of a country, is a safer source for interpreting the world than the group that killed 40% of Germany when one assumption, regarding the authority of the bishop of Rome, was in dispute for the first time in several centuries.
Of course. The ironic point is that plenty of people believed the old versions of what research showed dinosaurs were until they died. Some in denial of new research, like the presence of feathers.
Humans are dogmatic about more than just religion.
Imagine believing in creationism and using dinosaurs, 35 of which are wandering around my farm right now shitting out eggs we eat, as the metric of God’s will.
My favourite lies:
- There are only two genders
- Biological sex exists
- Species has a scientific basis
- 99.9% of your body isn’t empty space
- Objects exist
- We evolved to perceive the world around us accurately
- Believing in objective truth is good for society
- The USSR practiced communism
- The Beatles were any good
Hey now, the Beatles were very good. They had interesting chord structures, strong rhythms, and well written lyrics. They also put out a huge amount of highly varied music in a very short time. Their contribution to modern music is absolutely undeniable. You may not like them, but if you know anything at all about music you cannot say in good faith that they weren’t any good.
Nah. Queen is ten times better.
Shit take.
You can draw a direct line from Queen’s songwriting and four-part harmonies through the Beatles, the Beach Boys, and the Four Freshmen. Add Led Zeppelin to that list and you have the entire foundation of Queen.
Honestly, fans like you ruined Queen for me. I was completely obsessed with Queen through my teens and early twenties, but everywhere they’re discussed online, it’s always this superiority nonsense. Queen being great doesn’t make the Beatles suck. Those are different ideas. I really think the fans are a big part if the reason I eventually burned out on them.
Apples and oranges. Queen was very good and their music influenced multiple genres too. That does not discount the value the Beatles added to music as a whole.
Queen probably disagrees with you, they were huge Beatles fans
I’ll stand with you on this. Queen was 10 times better than a silly boy band.
Calling the Beatles a boy band makes it sound like you only ever listened to For Sale and Please Please Me. Even by Help and Hard Day’s Night they had begun to develop some depth, by Rubber Soul they had broken that mold entirely and everything forward was breaking new ground.
Queen was thematic theatrical rock from the beginning building on work that the Beatles pioneered before Queen was ever even thought of.
Both are equally important in music history.
It’s a joke. A friend in college pretty much only liked the Beatles and the Traveling Wilburys. The quickest way to send her into a spiral was to suggest the Beatles were just a mediocre boy band until they started using drugs.
Chill. And they’re just not for me, just accept that.
You don’t have to like them, but saying they were no good is still full of shit. Wiburys had like 3 good songs tho. You can tell her I said that.😉
And we don’t have to agree on which bands we like.
But we do need to agree on you attempting to change what I said. I never said “no good.” I said Queen was better. An entirely subjective measure. Better to me. Not you, not everyone.
Now go undo your liar downvotes. Typical Beatles fan, ugh.
Every wannabe edgelord loves to trot out their “Beatles suck” opinion to get people riled up. Really, it just fits the “Hamlet sucks” trope of people who are unaware of historical context. “What’s so great about Hamlet? It’s just a predictable plot tied together with cliches.” In reality, the plot is predictable and the writing cliched because it was so revolutionary for its time everything that has come since has been imitating it.
Same with “Citizen Kane is boring” and “Seinfeld isn’t funny.” There is so much of modern filmmaking that originated from Citizen Kane, and Seinfeld set the bar for every sitcom that came after.
Likewise, the Beatles completely revolutionized pop music. You don’t have to enjoy their music personally, but it’s beyond ignorant to say they sucked.
Not to mention that every one of them was a multi-instrumentalist. I’ve never met another actual musician that failed to at least recognize what they accomplished and contributed.
Besides, Queen as a comparison? Really? Similar level of musicality, just as much a pop band, and I personally find Queen to be far more predictable and less interesting across the breadth of their work.
I personally find calling one band better than another to be cringe especially highly dissimilar artists. Unfortunately I am susceptible to the bait when I should give a shit less what they think.
The Beatles were any good
George Harrison was a Beatle, and he was objectively a great musician.
I’m also personally obligated (happily so) to like Paul McCartney, because he befriended my cousin while he stayed at Sloan Kettering and taught him to play the guitar (my cousin was already skilled with string instruments, so he picked it up pretty well) over a period of months before he died. I’m not aware of him publicizing that (and my cousin was a rando in his late twenties- definitely too young to die, but not young enough to make a great news story, given that he was unmarried and had no kids) or getting any personal benefit from it other than being able to increase joy in a horrible situation.
So at least 2/4 (or 2/5, if you’re a Pete Best fan, I guess) are/were good in some way.
Plus, at least Blackbird and Eleanor Rigby are great songs IMO, but that’s less objective.
All four of them were/are quite good musicians. Yes, even Ringo
Hmmm… Blackbird is better than their average, but it’s not quite good.
The problem with the Beatles is that their beats suck ass. Their songs feel lethargic, meandering, aimless, and depressing because they have terrible beats. Blackbird actually has a beat, which is more than I can say for most of their music. But it doesn’t have a good beat.
UNBELIEVABLE! YOU GUYS FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF WRITING A CATCHY SONG! It’s gotta have a beat.
That’s a reasonable opinion, and I honestly don’t know how to determine why I like the songs I like, nor do I feel qualified to identify a good beat (I was in the percussion section of my middle school band class for three years, but I’m a special case of nonmusicality, and nothing sank in), but there are a couple of Beatles songs with strong beats that occur to me. Maybe Love to You or Eight Days a Week, though the former is a more driving beat, imo.
Definitely don’t feel obligated to listen to music you don’t like, though please. I’m not a huge fan of the Beatles, I just grew up on them and find many of their songs enjoyable (if you ask me, Octopus Garden should be erased from our collective memory, though).
I was one of those kids who didn’t play an instrument (other than piano lessons I hated), but absolutely knew what instrument I’d play if I was in a band. And it was the drums. Well, a couple months ago I got some drums of My very own and started learning. And a few weeks ago I played My first open mic and rocked the whole house. And a friend was talking about it days later. All I played was a beginner rock beat and fill, but I guess I’ve got a lot of rock.
And I don’t think the Beatles have any rock.
The Beatles were any good
How dare you, sir/madam
My terms of address are “goddess” and “comrade”, thanks for understanding
I’m sorry you’re gonna need to provide a bit more citation on these.
- Biological sex exists
What do you mean by this?
Biological sex - as in physiological characteristics borne of sex chromosome differentiation - is absolutely real, and playing about with that could quite literally get you killed from a medical care perspective (as in wrong dose of drugs, etc.).
Now if you want to discuss whether sex is truly binary, that’s much more debatable - especially due to the existence of intersex people, and those with sex-related chrosomal disorders.
- 99.99% of your body isn’t empty space
If you’re talking about atoms in the body being 99.99% empty space, then by that technicality everything that exists is 99.99% empty space… Which isn’t so much an interesting lie, as it is just an interesting physics fact.
- Objects exist
I’m not calling this one out, I just want to know what technicality this is borne out of.
- The Beatles were any good
This one’s just offensive. Or that is what I would say if I didn’t also think they’re a bit overrated.
Objects exist
I just think the entire idea of distinct supermolecular objects is an arbitrary human convenience, rather than a scientific construct. Science doesn’t have an answer to philosophical problems like the Ship of Theseus problem. I think that’s because objects are not a scientific concept. Objects are a vibe.
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all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration
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we are merely the universe experiencing itself
toke
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Objects clearly exist. My code loves to complain when they don’t.
Your fault for using object-oriented programming, also known as OOP.
You should try God-oriented Programming, or GOP for short.
Tried GOP. now the president shits himself on live tv. 0/10
I can understand the idea behind 8 of these?
But “biological sex exists”… is a lie how? Unless its a variant on “objects exist” as a lie to refer to the rejection of material reality but its weird to list it twice.
It exists, but like, in the same way species exists. The variety and frequency of intersex conditions indicates that it’s two clusters of traits that most species that show this characteristic fall into one or the other of and certain components are remarkably mutable.
That understanding is just fundamentally different from the traditional understanding of two entirely distinct bins that anyone who doesn’t fall into one or the other is a strong outlier and the only alterations are castration or divine intervention (at least in euro-christian tradition).
The two bin model is going to work ok on most humans, it’s not like it’s an obviously wrong one. But as society and science have advanced we’ve found more intersex people that either didn’t know (my cousin would have just been understood as barren, and nobody would’ve noticed my ex’s mom having XY sex chromosomes) or didn’t understand that it wasn’t just some weird quirk that you either hide in shame or just don’t feel is worth mentioning. And anywhere you try to draw a firm line or any trait you try to point to try to ignore the gray is going to leave you with an awkward grouping in some way
Oh…
I read “biological sex” as in sex between biological organisms… i do actually know the proper meaning (and difference from gender), feel very dumb now.
You explained it well though. Thanks!
Absolutely! A lot of trans and intersex people negatively react to the concept, because these oversimplifications are pretty heavily used against us, but we also have a tendency to forget the average sincere understanding of the topic, and sometimes this can come off as making a bold and controversial statement, not including nuance, and walking away. Very similar to someone saying “the earth isn’t a sphere” and not following it up with how it’s an oblate spheroid, or saying dinosaurs still are still alive and not bothering to clarify that those dinosaurs are all birds.
And yeah, if it wasn’t obvious I think it’s valuable to talk about this sort of thing in a non-judgemental and accessible manner, in part because it can help reduce the sense of shame and awkwardness associated with the natural variety of this intimate aspect of our biology.
Self aware church? Don’t see that every day
All mental constructs are “lies” in that it’s our vision of the world imposed on reality. What is a chair? For us is a structure we can sit on, for the universe or the rest of species on this planet, it’s just a piece of thing, and even wood is a constructed concept
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Okay Morpheus, calm down.
Preach just listened to “With Teeth.” Good for him!
