Major in engineering and do both
Do you want to get yelled at by a toxic boomer with a hard hat or do you want to get yelled at by a toxic boomer in a suit?
Post AI, you only can stare at a chat prompt if you’re very lucky, and now you have to inhale even more toxic fumes for even longer, because your workplace’s CEO have bribed Trump with a million dollar. Also the datacenter in your neighborhood is humming at night, and you’re now supposed to entertain yourself by staring at Italian brainrot.
Alternative path: become an online grifter, make millions from being a degenerate, eventually get outed as a pedophile, convert to Christianity/Islam, profit!
Ahh the Russell Brand pipeline
I hear this is the path to become president.
Give the people what they like.
i’ll take the excel, but i’m making some scripts to automate some shit so i can screw around at least half the time
but i’m making some scripts to automate some shit so i can screw around at least half the time
So will your boss, with mandatory AI usage.
I remember when I thought being more efficient would result in less work.
you must’a made the mistake of finishing something early or showing-off your ‘optimizations’
2 smart guys apply for an IT position: do you hire the reliable, hard working guy who never takes sick leave, or the lazy guy?
Always hire the lazy guy. They will go out of their way to find a better way to do the same fucking task so they can go back to being lazy.
If both guys are smart, the hard working guy will find a better way to do the tasks and use the extra time to do other work.
The hard working guy will likely spend more time validating that the automation works correctly while the lazy guy won’t. Checking every detail, tracking down the source of any issues and fixing them so they won’t occur again is a lot of work. The lazy guy doesn’t do that.
What the lazy guy does could be done by an LLM, what the hard working guy does can’t be.
So the classic reasoning was the other way around but that was before LLMs so I do wonder if you might be right.
I’ve automated my self out of most the work on Windows installs. More time to doom scroll youtube or do a lap around the office if I’m feeling ambitious.
Shit gets fixed and users are set up fast so I can go back to doing nothing.
FOG servers are your friend.
Can confirm. I hate doing things twice, or in some job aspects 50 times.
We had a software and the next step in workflow was outputting the various files to the departments, often same file but multiple output formats.
My coworkers would run the translations manually, set the parameters manually each time, and sit and watch/wait.
I’d be at the coffee machine or chatting to a coworker.
The president stops by “do we need to get you more work, because you are never at your desk”
Me, “My computer is running multiple file translations, it should be done in 20 minutes”
Him: “Oh, OK, maybe we can get these other people setup like that.”
You can tell this story is bullshit because the manager was changed their mind.
:) Wasn’t my manager, my manager at the time hated improvements. It was president of company, so he overruled my manager.
I’ve made a career of automating excel (and away from excel all together).
I miss it sometimes, but then I need a bit of VBA again, and remember that I don’t actually miss it all that much.
Worked in oil and gas, we dealt with spreadsheets. One coworker had a tumor that looked like a neck pillow. He couldn’t stop working because healthcare in the US requires you to have a job.
Trades pay a lot to look like tough guys and trades sell that tough guy image to sell the job for less than it’s worth.
there’s a couple of jobs where you get to do both!
Don’t underestimate the health risk of sitting.
Yeah but “just stand occasionally” is much easier than “don’t breath or get anything on your skin for 40 years”
While this is true, the risks from sitting pale in comparison to the risks of industrial work. Also, they can be easily mitigated. You can’t mitigate the damage done in an industrial setting much.
Your telling me my hip and shoulders are supposed to be even?
fr. I have issues because of this, even though I’ve incorporated a standing desk for a decade.
you gotta actually move to make up for a sedentary job
You’ll need compression socks to stay healthy.
The good old ‘programmer socks’
I worked construction and plant shutdowns when I was young. By the time I was in my mid twenties I had quit and went in to IT. The reason was simple. During my time in a union over ten of the old timers had died of cancer and other related illnesses. Only one of them was in their sixties. Over half were under forty. One of the best friends I will ever have died when he was fifty four. A month or so shy of when he was going to take early retirement.
When I was a student, I wasn’t really motivated and didn’t have any idea what to do with my life. But then I worked as a window cleaner during the summer holidays and that gave me a very clear idea about what I didn’t want to do with my life.
Sort of related, in my last year and a half of HS I started a commercial electrician assistant program which was supposed to be like an accelerated apprenticeship path. I kind of liked it, and it legitimately the best pay available to a 17 year old at the time, but it was the master electrician I worked with who convinced me to quit and go get an EE degree instead. I distinctly remember the conversation where he asked me how old I thought he was, and I guessed he was close to 60, nearing retirement. He was 43, and he’d fallen off a ladder a year earlier, which was why I was doing all work over 8’ for him way fucking beyond what your typical HS assistant would normally be doing. “Go to college” he told me. “I chose this instead of Mechanical Engineering and now I can’t do the job anymore, with 20 years to retirement.”
I work in the permitting side of the world and the only time I’ve ever seen a Master Electrician on a job site is when we specifically told them to be there for an inspection. Most of them essentially rent out their license.
As a guy who used to work in soil remediation and now works in air quality monitoring, I say: why not both?
This is not a very convincing argument anymore: with AI, there’ll only one path left soon. And it’s not the one where you sit on your ass in front of a computer all day.
Llms can’t even do math. And odds on them figuring that “highly complicated” technology out before the bubble bursts seems low.
It doesn’t matter what LLMs can and can’t do well: all they have to do is do stuff a person does well enough for the price of the tokens they consume to make that person’s occupation vanish if it’s cheaper - and it almost always is. The metric companies use is cost, not quality. Because that’s how capitalism works.
The bills are coming in now and much like all other cloud computing, it suddenly becomes much more expensive to do anything useful once you are dependent on it
It’s so easy to sucker capitalists with labor replacement schemes
I would be ok with robots taking our jobs if you could trust governments to pay us the taxes they charge the robots.
I also like folks mentality that “once they see the real price of AI everything will be back to normal”. As if the very same companies didn’t get baited into becoming dependent on American cloud service providers like AWS to find themselves later paying out the fucking ass for them once they are dependent on them. Guess what ? THEY ARE STILL PAYING FOR IT, after more than a decade of being swindled. They will do the same with AI.
It’s crazy that no one has integrated them with a graphing calculator, spreadsheets, symbolic logic software, etc., in order to increase their deterministic reasoning capacity.
Like, human brains aren’t just the language centers, so I don’t know why the people trying to build an analogue haven’t done more than merely trying to make the linguistic capacity more complex…
They have, you’re not using the latest premium models.
That would probably be because I don’t use them? Why would I need that when I can use a calculator myself?
I mean the poster above you is wrong, they use math tools internally now when you ask math questions. Very obvious in Gemini. Yes the raw LLM trying to autocomplete the answer to a math problem is gonna be wrong but that’s not the way they are used to solve problems like that anymore.
no way i’d want to drive on a bridge built on their supposed math
That makes sense. I clearly don’t keep up on the frontier models…
Some of them write and execute Python internally for stuff like that
Llms can’t even do math.
Neither can a substantial amount of high school graduates in the US. Corporate is just hedging their bets that AI does slightly closer to accurate math and that meat machines are cheaper for physical labor than having to build robots. Besides, math is unimportant to capitalism. A company that loses billions a year is still worth investing trillions in.
You can 3d print a whole house with one technician nowadays even. So that’s not even true anymore.
Still need to have a foundation, plumbing, windows, doors, rebar, electric, drywall, roofing etc. At this point, I have to ask what makes it better/cheaper/faster than ICF construction? 3D printing for houses is just a weird way of using concrete.
The technician does all that and it’s just windows plumbing and electrical. The foundation is printed, the roof is printed, the walls are printed.
One cheap technician instead of a dozen high paid trades? It’s cheaper, faster and consistent quality. Do you even know what we are talking about?
Well, I have done plenty of construction in my days but I admit I am not up to date on the latest. I have my doubts on the roof being 3D printed, you will have to show me that my friend. Also have reservations on the foundation being done by a single person running a 3D printer. Who is even feeding the machine during all this?? Also one technician is not doing the plumbing, windows, and electrical. And wow “just”? That is a lot of work.
It is absolutely not cheaper currently. I will die on this hill. Also you are going to have to show me how it is faster than ICF. Consistent quality? I have no freaking clue what you are comparing it to.
I don’t know much maybe, but I certainly know more about home construction than you.
lol this is nothing new the tech has been around for over a decade. It’s not like you’re going to be building large custom homes.
What foundation? You can build houses on slab on grade in lots of places. You keep saying ICF, I don’t think you understand the usecase here if you’re thinking it’s replacing ICF type housing.
The machine is fed automatically by hoppers, like any other automated machine. They get filled up probably every couple of days, leaving the tech to install the windows when it gets there.
Just because you’re ignorant, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or do something cheaper.
Slab on grade is a foundation. It’s honestly what I assumed they were building these on as well. Alright if you don’t want me to mention ICF what should I compare it to? Concrete block? Stick frame? I picked ICF because it was somewhat comparable.
Listen, I think the technology is cool. Concrete shell on the outside would be naturally fire resistant and no need to paint it. Awesome! The dome houses that are sprayed on concrete are also interesting to me. Enough that I toured the facility in Texas long ago. Concrete is not a cheap building material though.
That would be one insanely large hopper. Not saying it is not possible, I just don’t see it being logical to have a hopper loaded with days of mixture. It’s heavy!
A 3D printed house sounds cool, but again I think it is just saying “concrete layer frame”.
You will not have one technician doing the windows, plumbing, heating/cooling, electrical, roofing. They are gonna do the frame printing, and peace out. Specialists do their job fast and well because that is all they do.
You will not have one technician doing the windows, plumbing, heating/cooling, electrical, roofing. They are gonna do the frame printing, and peace out. Specialists do their job fast and well because that is all they do.
It’s literally plug and play. If you can build IKEA furniture, you’re already overqualified for the job. You don’t need an electrician to plug in a fridge do you? That’s how these are designed, modular, and to be able to be built by ONE technician.
I’m not even addressing the rest of your comment, if you can’t understand that the machine has a base and a long ass arm like anOverhead concrete pump, you clearly have no more experience than what Google is providing you. This isn’t new tech and you’re inventing problems that aren’t actually problems since they are already solved by other tech ages before.
And this’ll shock you apparently, they have concrete trucks that carry the materials and mix it on site already…. Shocker eh?
It’s simply not possible never mind cheaper.
Are you gonna be building mansions with them…? No. Can you build affordable housing, yes.
Are you personally invested in some 3D house printing start up or what? Affordable housing starting with an expensive construction material (concrete) for the walls is not happening. You have a concrete frame, wow. The housing market has been saved!
It will be an extremely extremely long time before any industry domain will be able to remove humans from the loop for software development. The whole idea is idiotic.
Sure, many places are trying, then failing spectacularly. It will never happen for anything even remotely important.
respirators can reduce fume ingestion, eye damage is unavoidable from over exposure to computer graphics
That’s…not a thing.
at least you can wear forced air respirators for working with fumes
I mean, so you can while working with Excel
true. I had not considered that. I even wear it outside for allergies but I could probably wear it in the office so people get weirded out and dont talk to me
What about being a porn actor?
That’s covered by the “toxic fumes” part
AI can do that as well now. Anything digital or with computers is out now.
So off to the mines for as all. For our glorious overlords, of course.
Live performances
Yeah we’ll just have naked people in our house willing to have sex with us, take that AI!
…oh wait
Sounds like an improvement to me.
Since short clips are popular, maybe I have a chance…
No, AI will take that to.
Don’t worry people will pay to watch irl.
They’re just the simplest options. Just do something until you’re better than everybody else at it and sell your skills. Easy? Yes. Time consuming? Also yes. Worth it? Absolutely.
literally survivorship bias
I am straight up gonna drink more tonight because I read that
people born on 3rd base lol
But I bet you’re getting better than everyone else at drinking
Imagine giving this advice to a struggling friend in the real world. Absolutely unhinged from reality, thanks for the laugh
And then get no jobs because lack of recommendation/bad market/AI, etc…
