Ice agents? Unless identified as law enforcement they’re just some assholes beating up an innocent man.
I’d start beating the shit out of them then claim in court there was no way for me to know who they were.
I’ve got bad news for you about American courts.
People keep saying, “Why aren’t the courts doing anything about ICE?”
They are.
Federal courts have ruled thousands of times that ICE unlawfully detained people. Reuters reported that judges have found ICE illegally jailed individuals more than 4,400 times. There are also multiple active lawsuits alleging excessive force, denial of medical care, abusive detention conditions, and unconstitutional arrests.
The problem isn’t that the courts aren’t ruling against ICE. The problem is that many of these rulings apply to individual cases or specific jurisdictions rather than creating nationwide policy. Critics argue that ICE has continued many of the same practices despite repeated adverse court decisions.
Those are two very different issues. One is whether the judiciary is checking ICE’s conduct. The other is whether ICE is consistently changing its behavior in response to those rulings.
Has anyone been acquitted for battering an ICE agent because they were unidentified attackers?
Specifically acquitted, no.
I couldn’t find a case where someone was acquitted specifically because they fought an unidentified or plainclothes ICE agent. If that had happened, it’d probably be a pretty high-profile precedent.
What I did find were multiple cases where charges were dropped, people were released, or courts ruled against ICE after video evidence contradicted the agents’ version of events or judges found the arrests or detention were unlawful.
So it’s not true that the courts are just rubber-stamping everything ICE does. They’re ruling against ICE all the time. The bigger issue is that many of those rulings are case-specific and don’t automatically change ICE’s practices nationwide.
Those are two very different questions.
I’m also interested in this second question.
Are courts actually doing anything to stop ICE, or just awarding damages with taxpayer money? Dropped charges won’t help if you’re in a Salvadoran death camp.
A lot of our constitutional protections still apply and are still being enforced. For example, when an immigrant is arrested, the government is now required to provide a probable cause hearing, something that was not consistently happening at the beginning. As far as I can tell, people are being released when a court determines that their arrest was unlawful or unsupported by probable cause.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a complete shit show. My point is that it isn’t simply lawlessness. There are still legal safeguards in place, and people are challenging abuses in court. That doesn’t change my view that what we’re doing is wrong.
Also nothing is awarded from tax payer money.
Yeah some weird hooded guy with questionable facial hair push down an older gentleman.
Charges ought to be pressed
That blonde person was also assaulting the man as well.
Good point
I shouldn’t give them a pass for no awful beard but you are correct
Yeah. In these videos I’ve never seen a woman work for ICE.
I’m with you buddy.
innocent man
A man who refuses to leave a country they are in illegally is not an innocent man, regardless of what personal views one might have
I do completely agree about the lack of uniform and ID… Shocking that more of these “agents” are not accidentally killed or seriously harmed
There is no justification possible for doing that and then walking away. They know their actions are wrong and they about to get the shit kicked out of them.
If I read the article correctly, he was arrested the next day?
Would be much easier for them to do their job if they were actually trained and uniformed. The bar is low and they can’t even hit it.
I’m so confused. If they were legally detaining him, why are they in secret hoodies hiding their faces and running away
You’re not confused. If what they were doing was legal they wouldn’t have to hide their faces like a bunch of pussy-ass bitches
I think the idea comes from central and south American police who hide the identities of their police to prevent retaliation from organized crime, who are often very well funded and have no qualms about torturing and murdering random people to ensure the law remains powerless to stop their reign of fear and terror.
However, in this case it is to prevent the police themselves from answering to the courts, and to hide themselves from public scrutiny. Even if you are not breaking the law, America’s legal system is brutal and destructive, and they know that and don’t want to face it themselves.
The idea of hiding ones self with a hood or wearing a disguise it is quite ancient… It is not clear why you are trying to connect this concept with central and south america, I get your point, but it doesn’t require such a complex comparison. The purpose here is quite simple.
When encountered everyone should swarm these anonymous ICE losers, hold them down, demask, photograph and release them.
In an ideal world they’d get the Hans Landa treatment.
Is one of them sporting a handlebar Hitler 'stache?
Hey TSA guy. You back the fuck up. Stay in your lane.
Yeah talk about a bootlicker. This is the equivalent of a Walmart greeter telling me to back up from a situation like this.
So they are secret police now what is that German word for that again, oh yeah Gestapo.
Gestapo is not a word but a name. The German word would be Geheimpolizei, Arschloch or Nazi
Gestapo is just an abbreviation for Geheime StaatsPolizei so it just means secret state police.
Damn, DeadDigger got told. Damn. Oooh. Snap. Shit, son. Damn.
THAT’S IT! IT’S OVER! HE’S NOT GETTING BACK UP!
Fuck the airport guy too. He’s complicit.
Yeah they made him look like the worlds biggest simp as he’s still trying to block the people recording without realizing that these two “agents” have already booked it out of there right behind his back.
Land of the freeeeeee, home of the braaaaaaaave….
Fuck you America! FUcK YOU!!
Hi. American here.
Fuck You to.
What country are you from?
Also as an American I fully condemn this administration, ice and everything the orange man has done from the bottom of my soul!
You think we as a people like this? No! We don’t! We see what is happening! We understand. And we hate it!
we’re not special
we’ve treated numerous people in various nations the same way
not every Russian is pro pootin but plenty in the US cheer at deaths over the war with Ukraine and America’s current behavior affects many more directly than that conflict
best you get used to being treated like the heel, it’s only going to get worse
I promise you and you can mark my words but there is a reckoning coming.
We’ll see in November when the Republicans will win the midterms because people vote R and the other part is too lazy to get off of their asses to vote. Is that the reckoning you’re talking about?
Ya. Ya, that’s one.
Then accept the fuck yous you’re getting, get used to the animosity, and vote to fix your government. Your country’s horseshit spills over everywhere and we’re tired of having to step through the shit left behind by your administration.
No. I will not. Fuck you instead.
What country are you from?
Lowest quality rage bait I have seen yet
Good for you.
So the guy condemning America and saying fuck you to it is high quality rage bait?
Or you don’t like the fact that I’m simply defending the country that I love and live in?
Nah he’s just objectively correct, fuck America.
Also as an American I fully condemn this administration, ice and everything the orange man has done from the bottom of my soul!
Or you don’t like the fact that I’m simply defending the country that I love and live in?
You’re getting better at the ragebait tho
And like I said before fuck You and your country right back.
This is what I’m doing in my shit hole right now.
You said none of those but sure, fuck my country, nationalism is a blight upon this world
Have fun being mad at the beach while you can before the American gestapo takes you in for saying you hate Trump
Yeah, that’s not how any of that works, even here in the US.
Which is why you’re a self-loathing fucktard, and why I chose to engage with you. It was high time someone pushed back against your type.
You’re all high and mighty with the whole “fuck America” routine. Well, fuck you too, buddy.
You don’t know shit about America, Americans, our politics, or what it means to be an American. And it’s not even worth explaining it to you, because no matter what anyone says, you’re still going to think you’re better.
But deep down, you know full well how much worse the backwater human rights catastrophe you take your morning dump in really is.
Wah wah wah citizen of country that has decades of war crimes under its belt gets upset when called out on 0.1% of it
And your country? No war crimes then? Squeaky clean?
Y’all never mention what country you’re from.
Wah wah wah whataboutism.
Nothing. What about anything? Your country is a shithole just like mine.
It’s full of deep-rooted nationalism, political cults that dictate policy, and extreme right-wing politicians pulling the same crap we have here in America.
You have extreme homelessness in your capital, predatory lending practices, and billionaires in the top 1% who don’t pay their fair share of taxes.
Your universal healthcare is pretty good, though. I can’t say anything bad about that.
Irrelevant.
No. It is entirely relevant.
Your country has participated in military interventions, surveillance, controversial policing, treatment of Indigenous peoples, immigration detention, and plenty of other policies that deserve criticism. Yet somehow America is uniquely evil while your country gets a pass. That’s selective outrage.
So yes, I’m going to defend my country when someone from another country spends their time lecturing Americans as if theirs is fundamentally different. It isn’t. The differences are often a matter of degree, not kind.
You can criticize America all you want. I have no issue with that. What I take issue with is the double standard. If you’re going to condemn the United States for something, then apply that exact same standard to your own country. If you don’t, then this isn’t about principles, it’s about your bias against America.
Don’t expect Americans to quietly nod along while foreigners endlessly dump on their country. We’re allowed to push back, we’re allowed to defend it, and we’re allowed to point out when the criticism comes from someone whose own country engages in many of the same practices they’re denouncing. If you don’t like being called out for that, the solution isn’t to tell Americans to stop defending their country, it’s to apply your standards consistently.
You as a people certainly do like this. ICE has strong supporters. This is why the world thinks your a bunch of cunts.
This is a false dichotomy.
You can support enforcing immigration law while still opposing how ICE conducts some of its operations. In fact, that’s the position many people take.
The strongest opposition to ICE comes from the political left, particularly progressive Democrats and immigration advocacy groups. Their criticism is generally directed at tactics like large-scale raids, detention practices, due process concerns, and the scope of the agency’s authority. Some want major reforms; a smaller number want the agency abolished altogether.
Meanwhile, Republicans and many conservatives overwhelmingly support ICE, arguing that it’s carrying out laws passed by Congress and is an essential part of immigration enforcement.
So pretending there’s some universal consensus either for or against ICE is just inaccurate. The agency is one of the most politically polarized institutions in the country. Whether someone supports it, wants it reformed, or wants it abolished depends largely on their political views, not on some objective, settled fact.
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I won’t quote your comment because you deleted it, and it wasn’t that bad.
But I’ll respond to it anyway.
The news you get from whatever state media you’re watching, or whatever you happen to see here on Lemmy or Reddit, is not representative of the country as a whole.
There is significant opposition to what is happening in my country right now. We do not like ICE as a whole. We do not consider it legitimate law enforcement. To many of us, it has become a modern-day Gestapo.
They are widely disliked across many communities in America. Many people view those employed by ICE as the bottom-of-the-barrel refuse of our society.
If you’d like to understand what is actually happening in our country, I suggest doing something more than toilet-bowl research.
The ice guy is also wearing a fake mustache that’s peeling off. Hopfully he’s been identified by now and the neighbourhood he lives in knows he’s part of the gestapo.
Yeah wtf was that? And why not just grow a real one and shave it off before going back to your parents’ basement? Or is his testosterone so low, Hegseth won’t let him kill brown people?
I think it’s two women, maybe one is rocking a fake mustache to try to appear male at first glance.
These two barely read as ICE to me much less any other LEO, they must be scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point.
I think you’re right.
Man in fake moustache steals a shoe after seeing hes being filmed.
Is this confirmed as ICE or have the common thugs latched onto it by now? Its only a matter of time.
Yeah how the fuck is this allowed? Masked people disappearing people off the streets? There should be way more stink about how they hide behind masks, that itself is so blatantly anti-democratic.
It also has a significant psychological effect on the “agents” in that they feel they can’t be held responsible and it also internally dehumanizes them because they are no longer [person] but [anonymous agent].
We saw what this leads to in the banana republic regimes that the US/CIA installed all over the world in the 60s, it always ended the same way, brutal repression and extrajudicial killings.
Another day, another attempt by secret police to disappear whomever they wish with no oversight.
Fucking temu gestapo pigs.
Imagine they were treated as the thugs they are…
Can I see your ID and warrant please?
You don’t wanna show?
Then get off that person!
You don’t?
Here’s your kick to the face then!edit: remember to cover your face and head like those thugs do before you kick their faces. Make sure they can’t come after you, so don’t hold back.
While you’d be right to defend an attacked person, you wouldn’t want to end up in this joke of “justice system”.It’s the unhinged posts like this one that really make you raise an eyebrow around here
Edit: zzzzz… ;)
First let me say I hate this place for the overflow of extremism. The stupid kind of extremism. However, kicking a nazi in the face was not even considered controversial just 2 generations ago. Just saying.
Too many people just don’t know about or don’t want to understand the paradox of tolerance like you do.
I wish it was different.Post that on Reddit and you’ll be banned for inciting extremist violence.
That tells more about Reddit than the comment.
Because Reddit is ran by a Nazi.
Posts like that one will get you arrested in the country we are talking about. Just saying 👌
Why is it unhinged to consider protecting your neighbours from illegal violence with illegal violence?
Posts like that one will get you arrested in the country we are talking about. To answer your question thought it’s because it’s illegal.
So say it is illegal. Unhinged would be working for the ones doing the illegal violence in the first place.
But also - It is always moral to protect your neighbours against fascist violence. And morality trumps legality any day (if you have a moral compass beyond just ‘following orders’)
If the illegal but moral action ends with you shot against the wall that’s pretty sad I’m sure there are moral and legal options.
And hey, if you really want do do the illegal but moral action, posting about your intention here is fucking unhinged because you won’t get to?
You assume you will be shot because you fear these people.
You are the one assuming. I live in a different country haha. I’m not “scared” for anyone either I just see unhinged posts that will have you put in jail with no benefit to anyone so I say so.
I bet your breath stinks of boot polish
Boot polish and butt paste.
Posts like that one will get you arrested in the country we are talking about. My breath smells like roses compared to yours.
I lick no boot.
I’m not the one afraid of making internet comments. Be brave.
I’d rather be able to vote haha
Enabling ICE thugs pretty much looks like boot licking though.
To be clear: there’s no indication this wasn’t an ambush by thugs and yet you defend the ambush and criticise defending the attacked person.
Interesting that the shown aggression doesn’t get the perpetrators arrested, isn’t it?
But afair they can kill people in cold blood and don’t even get prosecuted in most cases.This is what you’re defending. Disgusting!
Do you see me defending? Get outta here lol.
You called my rational suggestion unhinged, so it implies you considered my suggestion wrong and hence what they did right.
Please explain how it’s different in your mind.What country are you posting from my unhinged friend?
They could show an ID and a warrant and it would end differently.
But it was convenient to ignore that part, wasn’t it?People like you enable ICE.
Your behaviour is disgusting.
“Why can’t we have some people from Norway, Sweden, or Denmark? We always take people from Somalia, places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting”
– Donald Trump
Gee, is it because with these wackos “white = right?” No, that can’t be it at all.
BEAT THE LIFE OUT OF ICE WITH CONCRETE BRICKS
Did the camera keep following them?
Should have kept following to their vehiclewould be nice. but idk if you know this or not. people go to airports because they got shit to do that’s time sensitive.
I usually have hours to kill waiting for a flight when I’m at airports.
