• DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    They’re too stupid to know what a socialist or communist is. So odds are they don’t know what a fascist is, despite staring at one in the mirror every day.

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      Also “so and so fears for their life” is such a nothing story. It doesn’t tell you if it’s a legitimate concern, or why.

      I “fear for my life” each time I fly. Despite knowing that the chances of dying while flying being significantly less than driving… Where I don’t.

      I realise this network is just a propaganda machine, so the point is just to make people irrationally angry and scared of “the enemy”. But it’s so frustrating to see then get away with it so brazenly

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    I would love for it to work this way, but it doesn’t quite.

    I’m against anti-muslim groups. If that makes me anti-anti-muslim, it doesn’t just cancel out to make me a muslim.

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      Except that fascism is an ideology, not a religion. If you support an ideology, you are part of that ideology, but you can support a religion without being a member.

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        There are two Nazis in a bar.

        A third man walks in, sees the other patrons are Nazis, and nods to them, and does not slam anyone’s face into the peanut dish.

        There are three Nazis in a bar.

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            Sorry, but you are now Muslim. That is just how it works now. Well at least in america it seems.

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            No. Rare exceptions don’t disprove the general rule outside of math. And also do not make the mistake of applying a value judgment to the word “ideology.” Ideology is not a four letter word. Also, I generally dislike arguments that rely on “but not all,” as when we have discussions like this, we’re obviously talking about general rules, not every edge case. They always seem pedantic and gotcha to me.

            Maybe you can argue vegetarianism is a dietary choice but not an ideology. Maybe you just don’t like the taste of meat, or you just don’t have much money for food. But veganism? That’s almost always a deliberate ideological choice. It’s primarily done so for ethical and moral reasons. You can be a vegetarian simply because you were born into a place like India. But veganism? That requires you to go out of your way to avoid animal products. You have to put the work in. And it goes way beyond simply dietary choices.

            You can tell it’s an ideology and not just a dietary choice because it’s applied in areas far beyond simple matters of taste. Vegans will often carefully review food ingredients just to determine if there are any animal products in them. The product could taste absolutely nothing like meat, but for ideological reasons, they don’t want to consume animal products. And veganism is often applied in areas well outside of food entirely. See vegan leather.

            Or look up David Watson, the man who coined the term veganism. In his own words, he explained his motivations:

            We can see quite plainly that our present civilisation is built on the exploitation of animals, just as past civilisations were built on the exploitation of slaves, and we believe the spiritual destiny of man is such that in time he will view with abhorrence the idea that men once fed on the products of animals’ bodies.

            That sounds an awful lot like an ideology to me. And I would argue that the vast majority of vegans do so for ideological reasons. It’s not a matter of taste when you apply it to things you can’t taste or even eat.

            Or hell, you could just ask vegans. And people have done surveys. About 90% report being vegan out of concerns for animal welfare.

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      If a Muslim and an anti-Muslim physically touch, they are converted to 100% pure energy, releasing an amount of energy equal to the combined rest mass energy of their bodies.

      This is why only Muslims are allowed in Mecca.

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      Antifa isn’t an organization. It’s definitionally people who oppose fascism. This is in contrast to top down state organizations such as the DPRK, NSDAP etc. who intentionally choose misleading acronyms for social cover.

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        The point is that the contents differ from what’s on the tin. Imagine not getting this point without extra explaining.

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          Oh, I got it just fine. It’s just a dumb argument.

          North Korea lies about their name so therefore so does antifa (ignore that it’s literally just describing a position and not an organization).

          Great argument.

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            Strawman alert. The actual argument is “you should look beyond the name for the contents are often different from the label”

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              We can all see the “argument,” it’s still up there.

              If you think antifa are anti fascist, you should check out “People’s Democratic Republic of XYZ”

              You were not saying “hey guys we should look past names,” you were obviously suggesting antifa is not anti fascist.

              If you had said, “if you think antifa is anti-fascist just because it’s in the name, then…” Or, “if you think they’re anti fascist just because they call themselves antifa, then…”

              But you didn’t. You were pretty explicitly saying that antifa aren’t anti-fascist.

              But perhaps even more importantly:

              I would like to point out that this isn’t about a nation or organization labeling themselves something.

              “Antifa,” quite literally, is an adjective describing a political position. So by definition it’s always anti-fascist as that’s simply what the word means.

              It would be like saying,

              “If you think anti-natalists are against natalism, you should check out People’s Republic of XYZ”

              It makes no sense.

              A person would not be antifa if they’re not anti-fascist. Because that’s how words work.

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                Anti-natalists are only against natalism on the surface, it’s actually a symptom of underlying psychological problems.

                “Antifa,” quite literally, is an adjective describing a political position. So by definition it’s always anti-fascist as that’s simply what the word means.

                So is “people’s democratic republic” 🤣