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Color me shocked.
Utah, now, is where Arizona was 20 years ago. We barely had any snow this last winter. I did not need to shovel my driveway at all.
Hell, I detected a sharp acceleration in global warming 🥵
Hey! This is at least the tenth time I’ve seen this headline in the last twenty years!
And still nobody is listening. Earth only keeps warming more rapidly.
My God, since when?
Since 2015.
Yay we’re all going to die of heat death
Not the heat death I was hoping to die in.
Still never give up everyone!!! We got this!! The more of us doing together worldwide the better!!
Fucking shocker of the century right there
No way!!!
Unfortunately the problem with global warming is that it happens very slowly over time. Scientists were warning us of the impacts of global warming for at least a decade but we have somehow prioritized the short term gains and now we and our children will bear the fruits of our negligence.
Scientists were warning us of the impacts of global warming for at least a decade
They’ve been warning us with some urgency since at least the 1970s. There were concerns published about it in the late 19th century. By the early 1990s the warnings were loud and clear for everyone to hear.
There were cartoons about it in the 1900s, people had an idea about it pretty early on when rivers stopped freezing suddenly.
COAL CONSUMPTION AFFECTING CLIMATE. The furnaces of the world are now burning about 2,000,000,000 tons of coal a year. When this is burned, uniting with oxygen, it adds about 7,000,000,000 tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere yearly. This tends to make the air a more effective blanket for the earth and to raise its temperature. The effect may be considerable in a few centuries.
– Rodney & Otamatea Times (1912)
Yes, this makes us even more ignorant. At some point in the past I was kind of hopeful we as united humanity can overcome this problem, like with the ozone layer hole, but then these individualistic policies started to sweep over the world and people started to care about other problems more.
We needed to bring out pitchforks and torches to dethrone the ultra wealthy like… 30 years ago.
Do you think burning more coal would help?
Needs more data centers
Depends… who is on top of the burning pile of coal?
During the late 1970’s, ExxonMobil scientists predicted global warming would accelerate with use of fossil fuels. They were shockingly accurate and the f’ed up weather patterns are the result. Keep buying and driving gas guzzlers.
The economy is fucked, no one can afford anything that isn’t a gas guzzler, barely can even afford the gas guzzlers themselves.
So, we are fucked, it was (not really that) nice while it lasted I guess ^_^
Meanwhile the Megayacht business is booming.
so just to put this in context: we’re having a doubling of installed solar capacity around every 3 years. currently we have 3% of total energy supply from solar energy. so it will take maybe another 15 years to get close to 100% renewable energy (if we assume that exponential growth continues). source: ourworldindata (go to website and hover over solar energy to see numbers)
so we’ll end up in 2040 with roughly … let me do the math … 1.6°C total temperature difference compared to 1970 in 2040?
It will take a while until this huge system finds a new equilibrium. If we stop adding more co2 there’s still a surplus in the atmosphere contributing to warming for several centuries. We have to actively remove co2 from the air in a large scale to avoid huge negative changes to our lives.
If you assume the warming stops on its own. But there are processes that accelare themselves
Not to detract from your point, but assuming that exponential growth continues is one of the classic statistical blunders.
Sorry, solar panels are woke and uh kill birds or something. BANNED.
Crypto farming, feeding the ai bubble, large scale wars of aggression, commuters replacing cars with trucks, buying throwaway junk has never been easier. That’s the relatively new completely unnecessary hubris that I can think off atm. These should be the low hanging fruits to just not do, but apparently we’re going to continue doing them anyways. If we can’t address the low hanging fruits, then tackling the harder challenges will remain a pipe dream until it’s too late. Climate stability is fucked, and we’re in for a rough ride.
What? And stop indiscriminately slaughtering babies? You monster!
The real “low hanging fruit to not do” is blaming individual choices for societal issues. Capitalism is the one and only reason for anthropogenic climate change. Ending capitalism is the one and only way to solve it. There is no individual action you can take that is effective, we have to reorder society in such a way that it is impossible to profit from environmental destruction.
I have difficulty accepting that corporations did this and therefore we should all keep going with the status quo. Although an individual’s choices don’t amount to enough in and of themselves, the choices of masses of individuals drive the consumer market. The more disposable shit we buy, the more disposable shit corporations make.
We as a society have normalized be everyone individually owning 17 appliances that are used 0-2 times per year, having 53 outfits made by overseas slave labour, and accumulating gigabyte after gigabyte of data that must be managed. And if you tell someone this, they will say it’s all necessary - what the pandemic taught me is the degree to which people cannot identify the difference between essential services and non-essential, as everything becomes justifiable based on niche situations and the blanket defense of mental health.
If we all forever point the finger and say that someone else is actually responsible, and therefore we refuse to make changes, then nobody is ever going to get started. Much like on a national scale how the US simultaneously blames climate change on China and India (“we shouldn’t bother doing anything, they’re bigger!”) and Canadian forest fires (although by the previous logic, a country with 1/8 the population should be incapable of changing their climate).
…this message brought to you by Exxon-Mobil corporation.
In what way is my suggestion that people should be environmentally conscious with their choices supporting oil companies?
So we should just sit back and wait for the oil companies to benevolently act on our behalf? Forgive me if I don’t feel like circling the drain without a fight.
the only real solution to climate change is renewable energy, and solar energy in particular. capitalism or no capitalism basically doesn’t matter.
Except for the part where capitalism is actively sabotaging the transition to renewables, because fossil fuels areore profitable, so it really does matter.
Like 3/5 things that poster mentioned were not individual choices. The 2/5 that are individual choices are real issues. It is an issue, not just societally but also environmentally and in terms of public health, that the world is polluted by plastic because people wanted momentary convenience. Capitalism has to end and it incentivizes those choices of convenience, but people are still simultaneously responsible for making those choices unless they have no alternative… in which case it’s not really a choice.
We can’t even stop a rise in fascism, an incredibly stupid thing, across the globe. We don’t stand a chance against global warming. We’re cooked.
We’ve done more in the last five years to curb fossil fuel consumption than at an point in human history.
From a massive pivot to renewable energy to our Green-Centric foreign policy of blowing up Nordstrem II, embargoing Venezuela, and shutting down the Straight of Hormuz, we are absolutely turning a corner on future fossil fuel consumption.
Donald Trump may go down in history as the most climate friendly leader in our generation. A hundred thousand Greenpeace activists could not have achieved in their lifetime what he’s done in less than two terms as president.
The chaos president is indeed forcing everyone to look for a more resilient energy production model, but it’s a very cynical way of looking at things. War itself has a huge (environmental) cost, the DoD/W is one of the largest polluters on the planet and receives record funding.
War itself has a huge (environmental) cost, the DoD/W is one of the largest polluters on the planet and receives record funding.
That’s true under every president.
But under Trump, we’ve got fewer boats in the water and fewer bases on the ground than ever before
Fossil fuel consumption hasn’t actually gone down. All the renewable sources have come on top of energy from nonrenewable ones
Fossil fuel consumption hasn’t actually gone down.
Hasn’t it? We’ve cut shipped supplies by around 20% and prices have jumped into the $100/bbl range.
And one main reason the prices aren’t worse and the fuel hasn’t run dry is that China massively ramped up its use of coal.
They haven’t. Coal consumption has seen a marginal increase. But ask the Australians about the coal market right now. Chinese coal consumption fell far short of Australian coal mining expectations. That country is spiraling into recession as a result.
The bulk of new energy investment in China has been in solar. And they’ve been building out a grid to match
Hilariously, you are right. It certainly wasn’t his intention to do so, but it is happening. Strangely aligned with China spending like crazy to pivot to a green energy super-supplier. End of an era, although no one will admit it yet.
More. But enough?
Those billionaire yachts aren’t going to fuel themselves!
we can’t even stop a rise in fascism because we lack the tools to do so, most importantly we lack the tool of understanding. we don’t even understand what fascism is or why people follow it, thus we stand no chance of tackling the problem at its root. if you really want to combat fascism, you have to understand it first.
Both the ideological underpinnings of fascism and the reasons why this ideology is psychologically attractive are understood quite well.
It’s not that hard now is it? Scapegoating the other tribe for your selfmade problems is probably older than history itself.
Drill baby drill.
