Some of the stuff I’ve seen come out of there is on the level of what /pol/ would cook up. Absolutely the most troll instance of the fediverse.

It feels like people are upset about running into users who are politically left-leaning… on federated social media.

That’s like being upset about encountering queer people in the arts, or chuds in the weightlifting space, or conservatives at the gun range. What the hell did you expect?

So called “tankies” supposedly everywhere, but all I see are left-wing people.

Yes. Because “tankie” is just a pejorative for anyone to the left of the western Overton window

“Tankie” is essentially a pejorative for those that support AES states. Tankies are everywhere on the fediverse, the reality is that so-called tankies aren’t the evil people that want to eat babies or anything like those loudly complaining about us believe.

As somebody who was able to see those before they got defederated: If they’re not denying stuff like that Russia is the aggressor, then they have improved and the common conscious is just slow to forgive.

It was “they must be trolls” levels when I still saw them. Pure ragebait levels. And you did often get the feeling that they were just trying to be as edgy as possible.

Indeed. Funny how the only two instances I have run into that block Lemvotes are the ones that commonly have goon squads brigading threads and abusive admins.

I was going to ask for a source on this. But on checking in on a comment or two in this thread. This explains a lot of the consistently inconsistent behavior I’ve been seeing the few times I do check lemvotes. Like I was wondering who the hell was down voting Jo, as they are always pretty chill and even keeled. Look at any other comments on the thread no problem. I look up anyone from Lemmy.ml and it’s 404.

That’s certainly not the behavior of an instance with nothing to hide. Though I would still think administrators should be able to see the votes and identity brigading. But this does explain a few things I’ve noticed on isolated instances when I’ve used it.

I mean why would a leftist like ANYTHING about current day Russia?

Because they unironically believe that Russia = the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics. That Putin literally is the Premier of the USSR and the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Maybe even that what Putin is trying to do in the Ukraine is reconquer his own territory from CIA-driven Western insurgents.

Basically, just because Putin is a Russian, he automatically is a ☭★✊ СФММꙠИЇꙄТ СФМЯДDЭ ✊★☭, therefore he must be anti-Capitalist, therefore he has to be a good guy.

These people completely distrust any and all Western media because it’s capitalist, imperialist propaganda, but they take everything from Russia Today and Sputnik News at face value because the good guys wouldn’t ever lie, right?

They say they’re against wars. But if Putin started a full-on invasion in Germany (while the country is in a state in which it’ll be defenceless within three days), I can guarantee you that they’ll cheer for the Red Army finally coming and purging capitalism and imperialism.

Seriously, we have a political party in Germany whose very principles appear to be based on this belief, and that tried to get a new Chancellor of their own into office.

In their view, the world is black and white. They hate to be inbetween, they need to “choose a side”. They can’t say US and China suck both, or fuck Israel but also fuck Hamas, they need to be “pro” something. Because most of them grew up in it, they are mostly opposed to western countries - but they can’t leave it like that, they need to be anti imperialist. And that means siding with Russia, Iran, North Korea, China etc., the enemies of the west. It is absurd, but that’s how easy it is. Some months ago we all watched how Iran killed thousands of its citizen on the streets - now that the US attacked Iran, they sympathize with the Islamist mullahs! Because… fuck Israel or something? It’s a really narrow world view and it makes of course no sense, I mean who is imperialist if not Russia lol?

China is a socialist country, public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state. Russia is a capitalist country, nobody says it’s leftist in any way. The only support Russia gets is with respect to the fact that it opposes the current hegemonic force of western imperialism, no further than that.

Feddit.org is a German server that sticks to German laws.

Germany has a special historical guilt towards Jews. You know, what with having murdered half of all Jews on the planet within less than a decade and intended to cull the other half as well.

Anti-Judaism is a capital Federal crime in Germany, just like using Nazi symbolism. And it is for very good reasons.

In America, it doesn’t make much of a difference whether you burn down a synagogue with a service going on inside or a barn with a hoedown going on inside. You’ll get sentenced for arson and either manslaughter or murder either way.

In Germany, if you burn down the synagogue, you’ll get a whole shit-ton of a sentence piled on top of that if your intentions were clearly anti-Semitic/anti-Judaist.

Google “Night of Broken Glass”. Can you even imagine the U.S. National Guard raiding and burning synagogues, Jewish-owned shops, Jewish retirement homes and the like, murdering at least 1,000 Jews, all in one single night in 1938, ordered by (a precursor of) the NSA and at the behest of President Franklin D. Roosevelt himself?

zionist complaining about ‘authoritarians’

In the laudable goal of dismantling of western hegemony, .ml and Russia are certainly having an effect. However, it’s quite clear to me that a Marxist-Leninist alternative is not the goal.

The problem I see is that they’re working to simply replace one imperialist system with another. If in the work of dismantling American hegemony they serve to support a Soviet-style dictator’s hegemony, its just the same imperialism using Marxist-Leninism as the justification instead of “democracy” and “capitalism”. Furthermore, supporting MAGA as a vehicle to weaponize US incompetence is still supporting an authoritarian president, even if it effectively shrinks American hegemony.

This is the same Cold War of constructed ideologies we’ve been fighting since the end of WWII, it is just that America has been ahead until now. Us vs. Them; America in the Middle East, Russia in Eastern Europe, China in the Pacific, Vietnam, Korea, etc. It’s just empires snatching up vassals and exploiting influence. The only difference is that in the US, we use the veneer of elections to “legitimize” it.

I cannot claim to be impartial or innocent of this, but I still think it’s disingenuous to misrepresent the philosophy of Marxist-Leninism to in-effect support yet another imperialist and authoritarian system just like the US does with democracy, and that support is all I ever see from the users and communities of ML. Although I’m sure ML can say the same thing, which seems to be how we ended up here.

Sortition based governance when?

I checked the thread you were talking about, that’s not what happened. The supporting evidence came from a huge number of different sources, including many western sources. You also equated Chinese diaspora with the Chinese government itself, which reeks of chauvanism.

As for the bit on Tian’anmen Square, it’s correct, even Wikipedia says so:

Deaths in and around Tian’anmen Square itself

Government officials have long asserted that no one died in the square in the early morning hours of 4 June, during the “hold-out” of students’ last batch in the south part of the square. Initially, foreign media reports of a “massacre” on the square were prevalent, though subsequently, journalists have acknowledged that most of the deaths occurred outside of the square in western Beijing. Several people who were situated around the square that night, including former Beijing bureau chief of The Washington Post Jay Mathews[i] and CBS correspondent Richard Roth[j] reported that while they had heard sporadic gunfire, they could not find enough evidence to suggest that a massacre took place on the square.

Student leader Chai Ling claimed in a speech broadcast on Hong Kong television that she witnessed tanks arrive at the square and crush students who were sleeping in their tents, and added that between 200 and 400 students died at the square.[268] Ling was joined by fellow student leader Wu’er Kaixi who said he had witnessed 200 students being cut down by gunfire; however, according to Mathews, it was later proven that he had already left the square several hours before the events he claimed to have happened.[211] Taiwan-born Hou Dejian was present in the square to show solidarity with the students and said that he did not see any massacre occurring in the square. He was quoted by Xiaoping Li, a former China dissident to have stated: “Some people said 200 died in the square, and others claimed that as many as 2,000 died. There were also stories of tanks running over students who were trying to leave. I have to say I did not see any of that. I was in the square until 6:30 in the morning.”[269]

In 2009, human rights activist Robin Munro, stated that he was present during the clearance of Tiananmen Square and that, according to his account, there were ten Western reporters near the Monument to the People’s Heroes at the time. He also reported a Spanish television crew that recorded footage of the event. Munro disputed Wu’er Kaixi’s claims of mass killings inside the square, stating that he did not witness fighting there and instead observed students peacefully complying with the soldiers’ demands to leave the square in an orderly manner. He further noted that the Spanish TV crew reported not seeing killings within the square during the final clearance.[270][271]

In 2011, three secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing from the time of the events were leaked and published by WikiLeaks, all of which stated that there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square itself.[194] Instead, they said Chinese soldiers opened fire on protesters in Beijing outside the square, around Muxidi station, as they fought their way from the west towards the centre.[194] A Chilean diplomat who had been positioned next to a Red Cross station inside the square told his US counterparts that he did not observe any mass firing of weapons into the crowds in the square itself, although sporadic gunfire was heard. He said that most of the troops who entered the square were armed only with anti-riot gear.[194][216]

The square was evacuated bloodlessly, all of the deaths that day occurred in areas scattered around Beijing during riot suppression. A few hundred people died, which is a tragedy, but not 10,000 people being executed on the square like the west initially reported. Substantial evidence to the contrary since then has come out, and Wikipedia has accordingly responded and added this context.

I don’t think Wikipedia is a CPC front group.

All the supporting evidence provided to me was from the Chinese government.

Well now you’re just factually, unambiguously lying. Which kind of goes you show how bad your position is; that you have to knowingly lie to defend it.

I was also told that no one died at Tienanmen Square in that same thread.

A claim that even Wikipedia agrees with.

YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND HE HAD TO MURDER MILLIONS SO THAT 10s OF MILLIONS COULD BE MISERABLE AND LIVE IN A CORRUPT OLIGARCHY REGIME, WHERE THE QUALITY OF LIFE WAS DECADES BEHIND THE WEST.

and don’t forget how glorious and prefect and FREE life is in China and North Korea.

Want to really piss people off?

“Over the last 50 years, regulated market economies have produced more wealth, pulled more people out of poverty, and resulted in less war than any other economic system in any period of history.”

In other words, the status quo of the last 50 years that everyone blames everything on, was in fact an exceptionally GOOD period of human history.

Trotsky would have been no better than Stalin.

Then watch the fireworks.

What’s so hard about that? You are jumping to conclusions because my account is registered on lemmy.ml because at the time it seemed like a good place to start.

Stalin wasn’t the greatest benefactor.

Now you say it about Trump, Netanyahu and Putin.

“Can you give me any examples?”

“No, but I can give you a lie I just made up!”

Had a look, all I can say is that they don’t quite come up when I browse all, and if they do I just don’t bother and skip over them. They’re not funny and the message therein is not one I support.

LEEEEEEEERRRRRROOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY mmmmmmmmmmmmJJJJJJEEENNNNNKKKKKKINNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSS

Yep, tracks :)

Actually… both halves do? 🤪

That’s something that is criticized often - that the devs are not independent but instead try to push their instance as the “main instance”. But yeah I guess there are a lot of people like you. Don’t forget there is no Karma system, it does no harm to change the account from time to time, I do it yearly.

I agree. I only mentioned it because your motivation was the list of blocked users from ml you already had.

It used to be the case that, aside from hexbear and Lemmygrad (both defederated from on your instance), 90% of the most trolling comments came from Lemmy.ml. However, immediately after Trump won the USA election, I started seeing that behavior all over the place. Perhaps that timing is mere coincidence, but regardless, blocking all users on that instance (which PieFed allows you to do) no longer works to keep the most batshit insane takes from my feed.

Also I have consistently seen people commenting on that instance (and on Lemmygrad) about how proud they are that no does not mean no, but rather that they need to push forward harder - by making alts to mask their associations - and which they readily do.

So I was adding historical context to your statement here: I see what you mean, now, but a couple years ago things were notably different. Then again, obviously not all trolls are the same, and trolls exist everywhere - which I should know, being one myself (as people keep telling me:-).

Now you are definitely from the usa

to the right of Trotsky

This shows that you have never read a discussion from there.

/s

there are those but they’re not that many. i’ve blocked like 3 users from .ml that were basically posting nothing but pro-russian ragebait (and an alt of one of them ban evading a 30 day ban) and it’s mostly fine

they’re just very very loud, but if you just block a few users you can have a nice time

Fair enough, there was a chance you were from the usa and claiming to be a leftist, I was going to laugh at you.

Good work on the shaving!

It’s a long story but basically after some stupid drama, lemmy.world banned discussion of cat food unless there was scientific evidence presented that the cat food was healthy for the cat. The drama had been about vegan cat food discussions in the vegan discussion group. Vegan cat food turns out to be a thing and appears to have enough approvals to be sold in pet stores, but people on .world wanting to talk about it should come over here to .ml. No I wasn’t a participant in the vegan group discussion itself. I made some posts in the surrounding drama thread that you can probably find in my .world profile from shortly after I joined.

Yeah because Lemmy is so important that Russia and China need to astroturf it, lol. Maybe people have different views and understanding of the world than yours? Not everything is fucking propaganda.