You sure the guys running pacman are sitting on the right hand side of the bus? Seems a bit more like they should be in the back doing a skill check for luck and rolling a d20
The recent attacks have been against the AUR.
Which pacman doesn’t reference.In terms of sneaking in malicious code, that’s possible in the official repos of all operating systems, including the windows store.
The actual meme speaks more to the fact that windows update is enforced unless you jump through enormous flaming hoops, and it will measurably make your already running system worse as it forces the installation of things the user wouldn’t want (ie copilot) or removes functionality they do (classic control panel).
But you know… I use Arch btw.
My comment was just a joke man, wow
considering the malware attacks if it’s yay or paru it should probably be a d2
Sometimes it feels more like in front of the bus, and running pacman just puts you a little further up the road
Unless its ubuntu*
or KDE. :p Did you see how they butchered kcalc over recent years?
I do believe it’s not just one of the things to keep getting better, it’s a blueprint for the things we want to build in the future. From software to society. More individual participation, less corporate involvement, zero corporate ownership of essentials.
My current enemy is the stranglehold of corporate OSs in the mobile space. That really really needs to go for good.
More individual participation, less corporate involvement, zero corporate ownership of essentials.
I’ve got some bad news about Linux then, the main contibutors are companies, and the infrastructure is owned by them.
It’s not individuals who paying Linus $1.5 million a year (Under “Compensation”).
Beautifully put.
Poor zypper gets forgotten again!
Zypper is the Gen X of package managers.
The best one is where the install size is negative that peak joy.
I’m glad I’m not alone in this joy
I love looking at my NixOs rebuild result (using nh) and seeing -50MB.
… Then I remember I’m on nixos and it doesn’t matter much
Do you not remove older versions? How much memory are you using?
I do remove older versions, but I set the auto GC to do it at 5% storage remaining, so it doesn’t matter that the update is lighter, I actually increased the storage usage.
I also use bees to dedupe the nix store so I cannot say the raw size
Its possible to set it to do it when a set amount of storage is occupied?
It’s possible if you know the size of the disk. Here’s the docs https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Storage_optimization#Garbage_collection
Don’t hate, but I actually like the GUI update manager in Mint. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That just runs apt and prints it nicely to you
Oh, I’m well aware. It’s just that sometimes I like a cushion on my chair, you know?
It’s so simple but it’s huge for normies.
Exactly what I expect it to do!
Well, many of these softwares can’t do that properly, so…
same for me
Why anyone will hate that?
I had the problem that all old kernel images were kept when updating through the GUI updater. This led to my root partition getting fuller and fuller*. I needed some really obscure commands to remove those old images, since then I only update via terminal. I guess it was some kind of bug, but for me as a standard user it was a really serious one.
*I need to say I made the mistake of splitting root and home and giving the root partition only 40 GB, because I read internet advices about needing to change my distro frequently, turns out that was not the case
same here, and I don’t know how long ago you had this problem, but the GUI can handle that as well.
If you click the View menu, and choose Linux Kernels, it’ll give you a list of all installed and available kernels. You just need to click the “remove kernels” button and check the ones you no longer need for it to clean up.
(There is an option to remove old kernels automatically in Preferences-Automation but it doesn’t seem to work)
I don’t quite remember what I set as this was more than half a year ago. But the images couldn’t be removed as easily, also not from the GUI view, as they were somehow not registered in a certain list that should have shown them. And since then I just use the terminal out of habit.
However I just found an article about Mint removing old kernels once a week automatically.
That’s actually easier on regular Mint than LMDE, but the advanced Synaptic package manager works on both to remove old kernels.
… but they’re adding a dedicated kernel management tool for both versions in the next releases if I understand their most recent blog correctly.
Like the native Mint tools, it’s basically a front-end to apt and related commands.
And I love the pacman eating the progress bar on arch terminal.
As a long time windows user who has switched to CachyOS, I agree, even get notifications about updates
I like a GUI updater but the Plasma Discover one is so shit, it errors almost every time. I keep it for updating the odd flatpak, etc, but I always have to update from the terminal first.
Shelly is amazing for Arch. Both CLI and GUI.
Ive said that Linux turned tech and computing back to fun for me, after hating interacting with computers and devices more and more. Linux is just fun to learn and rewarding.
Sometimes I have to remind myself how horrible locked down maliciously coded OS’s are and how good I have it with Linux.
The thing with Linux is that it’s 100% freedom. It lets you do whatever you want with it, there’s plenty of tools that facilitate customization and management.
By contrast, when I use windows at work I often find it won’t allow me to do what I want.
“What do you mean that’s not possible?”
For someone living in linux for a while, interaction with windows is simply infuriating.
exactly. That and being forced into stuff I don’t want. The amount of times i’ve about exploded in anger at windows forcing updates on me that make everything worse…
In a universe of enshitification, Linux is one of the few things that consistently gets better.
Try telling that to someone who had a spinning cube desktop on their 386 or 486.
Ask not how worthy an idol Linux is, but what you can do to give back to free software.
Returning to Linux reminded me that devs/tech people have a good sense of humour. Like the old days.
Gave me a chuckle that pacman launches pacmen(?) to nomnom for progress. Love it.
Promise: “Linux is cool! You can update and just use your running system while it handles it, then restart when you feel like it!”
Reality: “Heehee Linux is cool…wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka…”
.....C• • • • •You know, if some one created an in-terminal Pac-Man game to play during the update, that’d be awesome.
Eh, you’d hope. I can’t definitively say why this happens for now, but I’m seeing a surprising amount of “little bugs and quirks” seeping through, more than it used to. And that makes me worried.
It’s probably heavily dependent on distro, using Bazzite right now and the only bug I’ve run into recently is ProtonPlus not downloading Steam Tinker Launcher because “yad >= 7.2” for some fucken reason. Let me download it fucker I want to use Vortex to download my fuckoff NV modpack.
I certainly have a guess
Use a Ubuntu or Fedora based distro and only use the GUI upgrader which is designed to avoid breakage.
I don’t have problem with updates. I have problem with software bugs showing up uninvited, in places where there was no need for change. No distro hoping is gonna help that.
The bugs can be caused by improperly installed uodates (e.g apt upgrade on Ubuntu) or poorly tested package (e.g Arch)
Why are you obsessed with updates or specific distributions? It’s rarely, if ever an issue. Most package manager won’t break dependency; they’d rather not install an update anyway. And most system package manager are mature enough to not fail at this basic task, regardless of distro. There can be inconsistencies with flatpack sometimes, but that’s because they’re expected to sync with system versions of some libraries (especially graphic drivers), but that won’t happen unless you go out of your way to make it happen, and again, it’s not distro specific.
I’m talking about actual projects, adding actual bugs, that they find out are valid, and need fixed, in areas of their code that didn’t need a change to begin with. It’s a very real thing that seem to become more and more prevalent these days. And it has nothing to do with your distribution or your system updates.
apt upgrade -UDoes both update and upgrade.
One fun thing about Linux is that you always learn
I don’t want to learn. I have job to do.
Then you can use Linux Mint, super easy.
Alias na=“Sudo nala upgrade -y”
Does update and upgrade with parallel downloads from fast high bandwidth repos and pretty colors 😍
Dammit, learning about this right after switching from Mint to OpenSuSE
Honestly great switch though. OpenSUSE is lovely and I bet you’ll like Zypper. :)
Definitely make sure you know how to use BTRFS Snapper rollbacks and always
zypper dup(not up) on Tumbleweed!Also the community is great.
To quote the login terminal:
Have a lot of fun!
Whelp. Dang. Guess I know what I’m trying on my Ubuntu & Debian VMs next :D
Good to know. I just have a script that does like everything in order, but I could save a line by doing that instead of both beinv separate commands.
At least until the AI slop updates don’t reach the kernel (at least they’re banned from some parts of it).
its one of the few things that has consistently gotten better so far
You forget that enshittification follows popularity and market share.
Which means that as linux gets more used, and more popular, the chance for its enshitification will increase exponentially.
Enshittification is a function of capitalism, not popularity. Unless every Linux distro gets paywalled, there is no profit incentive that would drive Linux to enshittification. The kinds of people who currently work on it for no pay will continue to work on it.
“It can never happen here” - People who it inevitably happens to.
This only applies when you are talking about comparable things (E.g. two pieces of for-profit software that do the same thing). If they don’t seem to be the same thing, then you actually have to explain how would it happen if you want to be taken seriously.
Specially when we have examples of companies trying to tighten control over GPL software immediately getting forked and having to backtrack
I think this is where Linux shines.
You already CAN find enshittification versions of Linux.
And you can find lightweight ones, security ones, ones for servers, one that’s very user friendly, etc.
I wager that’ll end up dying off too.
As linux gets more popular, more laypeople are gonna be involved in its use. more laypeople means more issues solved and found, more support needed, more time and attention required, and thanks to everyone using discord any kind of easy to find alternative support is non-existent to any and all search engines, so all that supports gonna fall back on the distro creators and individual devs… and you will see consolidation of teams and packs just to handle the enormous and ever growing load, until you eventually end up with…maybe, generously, 1-3 packs that basically become a cartel.
and, with those 1-3 packs holding the bulk of users, they’ll eventually start dictating what others can and can not do, to stay in step with them and their services. Which will see more packs falling in line with dictates or just evaporating for refusing to play the game, and thus enshitification.
and pretending it cant happen will just blindly accelerate it happening.
because this is how things always go.
Classic enshittification of the kernel is kinda impossible while the Benevolent Dictator is around. And as for userland, we’ve already gone through many different enshittification attempts… Red Hat/CentOS, Poetterware, Snaps, etc… and we still survive.
Other than burnout and such, it’s very hard to kill free software that’s actively used by a lot of different enthusiasts.
I’m pretty sure that’s just capitalism.
I know this is a Linux community and therefore we love to hate on Windows…
but for anyone that hasn’t used Windows in a while, they actually finally implemented relatively decent package manager in the form of “winget”. When you add the wonderful UniGetUI on top of it you get a pretty good experience.
It had issues early on with consistency but the last ~year or two has seen it get a ton of improvement. It’s much more reliable than it used to be.
Obviously “it’s about goddamn time” and it doesn’t hold a candle to mature package manager like what’s available on Linux.
But if you’ve not experienced it before, and are forced to use Windows sometimes, it’s worth checking out.
I have a windows 10 install next to my Linux and I have to agree updates are awful. It might be windows 10 but 3 restarts for an update and the system runs like crap until the update installs. I removed a windows 11 install a while ago because I only used it to play 2 games and it might sit dormant for a few days or longer and when I got back into windows it was unusable until the updates finished. I am running 64GB of ddr4 and a 16 core amd ryzen 9 with a 16GB 9070xt. Hardware is not the issue in my opinion.
Updates are painful on modern Windows, to me it feels like they haven’t overhauled the updating system since the Windows 7 days.
It’s ridiculous that you have to restart just to update .NET and they take way too long. The major update from the last patchday took 20 minutes on my Ryzen 7 with 64GB RAM and gigabit internet - from downloading to installing and then doing three reboots.
Fedora on the other hand recently had 153 updates for me and the whole process was done in 3 minutes, with only one reboot.
Winget is really not that good. It’s better than nothing, but scoop is much better and deals with autoupdating much better.
winget on its own, yeah, I agree scoop is better. But toss UniGetUI at it and suddenly it’s a real package manager.
And UniGetUI supports multiple sources: winget, msstore, pip, .net tools, chocolatey, scoop, etc
I do wish winget was more robust on it’s own but I also appreciate the goal of getting the package handling right first and letting third parties handle the update automation, at least for now.
I’m naively optimistic that after another 5 years baking it’ll be closer to what I actually want
Windows got so bad that Linux attracted genuine user base. 10/10 marketing from Microslop
