Just don’t accidentally abort your Arch updates partway through.
That’s a lesson you’ve got to learn just once…
The best one is where the install size is negative that peak joy.
I’m glad I’m not alone in this joy
I love looking at my NixOs rebuild result (using nh) and seeing -50MB.
… Then I remember I’m on nixos and it doesn’t matter much
Do you not remove older versions? How much memory are you using?
I do remove older versions, but I set the auto GC to do it at 5% storage remaining, so it doesn’t matter that the update is lighter, I actually increased the storage usage.
I also use bees to dedupe the nix store so I cannot say the raw size
Its possible to set it to do it when a set amount of storage is occupied?
It’s possible if you know the size of the disk. Here’s the docs https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Storage_optimization#Garbage_collection
Don’t hate, but I actually like the GUI update manager in Mint. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That just runs apt and prints it nicely to you
Oh, I’m well aware. It’s just that sometimes I like a cushion on my chair, you know?
It’s so simple but it’s huge for normies.
Exactly what I expect it to do!
Well, many of these softwares can’t do that properly, so…
I had the problem that all old kernel images were kept when updating through the GUI updater. This led to my root partition getting fuller and fuller*. I needed some really obscure commands to remove those old images, since then I only update via terminal. I guess it was some kind of bug, but for me as a standard user it was a really serious one.
*I need to say I made the mistake of splitting root and home and giving the root partition only 40 GB, because I read internet advices about needing to change my distro frequently, turns out that was not the case
same here, and I don’t know how long ago you had this problem, but the GUI can handle that as well.
If you click the View menu, and choose Linux Kernels, it’ll give you a list of all installed and available kernels. You just need to click the “remove kernels” button and check the ones you no longer need for it to clean up.
(There is an option to remove old kernels automatically in Preferences-Automation but it doesn’t seem to work)
I don’t quite remember what I set as this was more than half a year ago. But the images couldn’t be removed as easily, also not from the GUI view, as they were somehow not registered in a certain list that should have shown them. And since then I just use the terminal out of habit.
However I just found an article about Mint removing old kernels once a week automatically.
That’s actually easier on regular Mint than LMDE, but the advanced Synaptic package manager works on both to remove old kernels.
… but they’re adding a dedicated kernel management tool for both versions in the next releases if I understand their most recent blog correctly.
Like the native Mint tools, it’s basically a front-end to apt and related commands.
I like a GUI updater but the Plasma Discover one is so shit, it errors almost every time. I keep it for updating the odd flatpak, etc, but I always have to update from the terminal first.
As a long time windows user who has switched to CachyOS, I agree, even get notifications about updates
Why anyone will hate that?
same for me
Shelly is amazing for Arch. Both CLI and GUI.
And I love the pacman eating the progress bar on arch terminal.
Ive said that Linux turned tech and computing back to fun for me, after hating interacting with computers and devices more and more. Linux is just fun to learn and rewarding.
Sometimes I have to remind myself how horrible locked down maliciously coded OS’s are and how good I have it with Linux.
The thing with Linux is that it’s 100% freedom. It lets you do whatever you want with it, there’s plenty of tools that facilitate customization and management.
By contrast, when I use windows at work I often find it won’t allow me to do what I want.
“What do you mean that’s not possible?”
exactly. That and being forced into stuff I don’t want. The amount of times i’ve about exploded in anger at windows forcing updates on me that make everything worse…
For someone living in linux for a while, interaction with windows is simply infuriating.
I do believe it’s not just one of the things to keep getting better, it’s a blueprint for the things we want to build in the future. From software to society. More individual participation, less corporate involvement, zero corporate ownership of essentials.
My current enemy is the stranglehold of corporate OSs in the mobile space. That really really needs to go for good.
More individual participation, less corporate involvement, zero corporate ownership of essentials.
I’ve got some bad news about Linux then, the main contibutors are companies, and the infrastructure is owned by them.
It’s not individuals who paying Linus $1.5 million a year (Under “Compensation”).
Beautifully put.
apt upgrade -UDoes both update and upgrade.
One fun thing about Linux is that you always learn
I don’t want to learn. I have job to do.
Then you can use Linux Mint, super easy.
Alias na=“Sudo nala upgrade -y”
Does update and upgrade with parallel downloads from fast high bandwidth repos and pretty colors 😍
Dammit, learning about this right after switching from Mint to OpenSuSE
Honestly great switch though. OpenSUSE is lovely and I bet you’ll like Zypper. :)
Definitely make sure you know how to use BTRFS Snapper rollbacks and always
zypper dup(not up) on Tumbleweed!Also the community is great.
To quote the login terminal:
Have a lot of fun!
Yeah, liking zypper so far, except that it decided I must have forgotten to install the games and kde-games patterns which I deselected during install because I’ll never use them (my games are pretty much all on steam, I’ve got no real interest in the built-in ones). Blocked them but now it’s warning me about that every time I update, which is a bit obnoxious, but I’m sure I’ll either figure it out or learn to not care about that
Maybe I can help! I’m sure somebody knows a slick CLI way, but I know that using YAST Package Manager (or maybe the new and fancy Myrlin), you can see what version of packages are installed and from which repo.
If it’s available in the standard SUSE open repo, you can just switch to that.
Also, you can go to that open repo and there’s an option at the top that says “Switch all packages to this repository” or something like that. Then you can probably safely remove KDE-Games if you don’t want it.
The KDE-Games repo sometimes will have drivers or game related tools and things like that, but no, I don’t think it’s strictly necessary if there’s nothing in it you want.
Whelp. Dang. Guess I know what I’m trying on my Ubuntu & Debian VMs next :D
Good to know. I just have a script that does like everything in order, but I could save a line by doing that instead of both beinv separate commands.
Returning to Linux reminded me that devs/tech people have a good sense of humour. Like the old days.
Gave me a chuckle that pacman launches pacmen(?) to nomnom for progress. Love it.
Promise: “Linux is cool! You can update and just use your running system while it handles it, then restart when you feel like it!”
Reality: “Heehee Linux is cool…wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka…”
.....C• • • • •You know, if some one created an in-terminal Pac-Man game to play during the update, that’d be awesome.
Windows got so bad that Linux attracted genuine user base. 10/10 marketing from Microslop
Poor zypper gets forgotten again!
Zypper is the Gen X of package managers.
Free as in freedom. One of the last living things from the hippie movement, by the people, for the people. No governments required.
zypper dupMy boy zypper. Was hoping someone else liked this flavour.
Didn’t think I’d like it that much but so far I’ve really been happy with it
You sure the guys running pacman are sitting on the right hand side of the bus? Seems a bit more like they should be in the back doing a skill check for luck and rolling a d20
The recent attacks have been against the AUR.
Which pacman doesn’t reference.In terms of sneaking in malicious code, that’s possible in the official repos of all operating systems, including the windows store.
The actual meme speaks more to the fact that windows update is enforced unless you jump through enormous flaming hoops, and it will measurably make your already running system worse as it forces the installation of things the user wouldn’t want (ie copilot) or removes functionality they do (classic control panel).
But you know… I use Arch btw.
My comment was just a joke man, wow
Sometimes it feels more like in front of the bus, and running pacman just puts you a little further up the road
considering the malware attacks if it’s yay or paru it should probably be a d2
I know this is a Linux community and therefore we love to hate on Windows…
but for anyone that hasn’t used Windows in a while, they actually finally implemented relatively decent package manager in the form of “winget”. When you add the wonderful UniGetUI on top of it you get a pretty good experience.
It had issues early on with consistency but the last ~year or two has seen it get a ton of improvement. It’s much more reliable than it used to be.
Obviously “it’s about goddamn time” and it doesn’t hold a candle to mature package manager like what’s available on Linux.
But if you’ve not experienced it before, and are forced to use Windows sometimes, it’s worth checking out.
I have a windows 10 install next to my Linux and I have to agree updates are awful. It might be windows 10 but 3 restarts for an update and the system runs like crap until the update installs. I removed a windows 11 install a while ago because I only used it to play 2 games and it might sit dormant for a few days or longer and when I got back into windows it was unusable until the updates finished. I am running 64GB of ddr4 and a 16 core amd ryzen 9 with a 16GB 9070xt. Hardware is not the issue in my opinion.
Updates are painful on modern Windows, to me it feels like they haven’t overhauled the updating system since the Windows 7 days.
It’s ridiculous that you have to restart just to update .NET and they take way too long. The major update from the last patchday took 20 minutes on my Ryzen 7 with 64GB RAM and gigabit internet - from downloading to installing and then doing three reboots.
Fedora on the other hand recently had 153 updates for me and the whole process was done in 3 minutes, with only one reboot.
Winget is really not that good. It’s better than nothing, but scoop is much better and deals with autoupdating much better.
winget on its own, yeah, I agree scoop is better. But toss UniGetUI at it and suddenly it’s a real package manager.
And UniGetUI supports multiple sources: winget, msstore, pip, .net tools, chocolatey, scoop, etc
I do wish winget was more robust on it’s own but I also appreciate the goal of getting the package handling right first and letting third parties handle the update automation, at least for now.
I’m naively optimistic that after another 5 years baking it’ll be closer to what I actually want
xbps-install -u
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In a universe of enshitification, Linux is one of the few things that consistently gets better.
Try telling that to someone who had a spinning cube desktop on their 386 or 486.
Ask not how worthy an idol Linux is, but what you can do to give back to free software.
