Big win for Firefox.
Firefox is Chrome with extra steps
Care to elaborate? It’s actually not like chrome at all. The engine is different, it’s not Google, they haven’t blocked manifest v2 plugins… Other than being a web browser, how would you classify it as Chrome?
Not only are they different, Gecko is like 12 years older than Chromium.
I guess they could be referring to how much money Google throws at Mozilla to keep Google Search as standard in Firefox? Still, it’s a tenuous link at best
In about:config check with what google services, urls, relays, vpns browser communicates. What organizations donate most money.
Hardly makes it “Chrome with extra steps”.
Did you actually look inside?
I don’t have to. Yea, it shares some backend Google services, but the rest of the browser, like the other 90% isn’t Chrome. It’s like comparing Windows and Mac OS and saying that they’re the same because they both connect to the same Internet and that their operating systems. Just like Chrome v Firefox, they are two distinctly different products.
That doesn’t even make sense. You bots need better prompts
Huh, do we have engagement bots in Lemmy already?
We’re thriving guys!
Probably just young
Maybe used Chrome for years before ever hearing about Firefox
You can say that about almost every browser, but not Firefox.
Still time to delete this
I’ve never seen a more downvoted comment. This is true for every single other mainstream browser except Firefox.
Some forks of Firefox are ok, but if you actually dig and look inside about:config you’ll see with who it communicates, what telemetry it collects. What organisations fund it.
Lol no
Thanks for the laugh!
Ah, the Sam Reich of browsers
Just a crying shame Mozilla has turned into a commercial nightmare making them relatively poor custodians of the only free choice we have left.
Mozilla needs to die so Firefox can live.
The income stream from Firefox is plenty for a highly technical, deeply competent, widely dispersed team could work full time on the product using something like OpenCollective.
Instead what we get is prime SF real estate offices, “competitive” SF salaries and a commercial organisation that seeks weird and increasingly desperate income streams to justify looking like “real company”.
I want an actual non-profit governing Firefox.
It’s called the forks, dude.
Also, hopefully the
ladybugthing or whatever gets off the ground someday.Edit: Servo is the better project to follow.
I think you mean ladybird, right?
Just FYI The core maintainer is very close to the alt right open source sphere.
Rejecting inclusivity as he deems it as too political and just rubbing shoulders with really weird guys.https://drewdevault.com/blog/Cloudflare-and-fascists/
https://kvibber.com/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity/There is servo though which is picking up speed lately, im following their rss for a while now.
https://servo.org/
The money behind is also a lot more public and the project is more open to people. originally developed internally at mozilla it is now in the hands of the linux foundation europe.Netsurf hasn’t seen any love lately. It’s still being developed on git but no releases. Same with Dillo.
Dillo rejects scripting. Makes perfect sense to me. It also rejects automatic redirects, which also makes sense but the web has already been established around that as given so it can’t pass the most passive anti-bot.
The state of scripting support on Netsurf is uhm, quite interesting. Scripts can write to the page parse time (like a snowflake generator) but can’t do ANYTHING after the page loaded, EXCEPT text fields and text areas. And scripts can always read but not write checkbox state. There aren’t any button events, either, but if you check the state of a text field repeatedly you can do interactivity. What is also interesting is that the new way of finding elements (getElementById) is functional, but the old way (document.formName.elementName) ISN’T. So that means that basically nothing existing functions (apart from again, the snowflake generators from geocities). But you can do the old style text animations if you specifically program it to use the new method despite being old style shit. Netsurf also passes “GoAway” and the most basic setting of Anubis (the passive redirects).
Both are good enough to browse “old Lemmy”, although I haven’t tried to login since my instance doesn’t have it and the owner ghosted me (hi @milan@discuss.tchncs.de).
There’s also a half public domain half permissive (BSD) text mode browser, https://chawan.net/ . Extraordinarily good concept! However, it avoids some of the bloat by forcing bloat onto your terminal emulator and having it render images, and my terminal emulator does not bother itself with such tasks and emulates a terminal, so image heavy sites like Lemmy fucking suck on it. No, it cannot just weight different characters from some public domain font (spoiler: if converted, all of them by international conventions are public domain) by brightness and by individual pixel similarity to an actual image and then just display those. That would make too much sense. I have high hopes for it, though. Also, I find the keybinds really weird.
I have not tested Chawan’s scripting support much at all, all I can say is that it’s certainly better than Netsurf. And that everything I’ve written in the worst fucking programming language ever for Netsurf (not released yet, very soon I hope) runs on Chawan. However, they are unusable since textboxes open your preferred editor. Makes perfect sense, a browser shouldn’t be a text editor. But like, that breaks my gimmick that makes it work with Netsurf, damn. Checkboxes can be written to, for once, tho no access key support. The JS is still not enough to login to Lemmy (the default bloated frontend).
Let’s use Gemini.
Ah ty. I wasn’t keeping track of either project, but good to know servo’s the one to look out for instead.
But it isn’t really. The forks rely on the majority effort of Mozilla and they would never be able to maintain Firefox on their own.
This is gonna be so bad because now there is only uBlock origin lite and “uBlock”, if you couln’t guess: the 2nd one is a scam that google never tried to remove(it’s been up for some years IIRC) and i am sure that everyone will try to install this scam because they can’t find the original uBlock origin (and everyone just refers to uBlock origin as uBlock which makes it worse)
the 2nd one is a scam that google never tried to remove
It’s a little more complicated. uBlock was the original name, gorhil handed it off when he felt the maintenance burden became too high. Then he forked it to make his own uBlock Origin version.
At some point later uBlock was bought up by the AdBlock people, who in turn were later bought by the AdBlock Plus people.
So it’s not a scam exactly, more like an inbred sideline of the royal family.
Holy shit, seems to be watching a soap opera tf
It’s a scam because it specifically goes out of its way to not block an ad, as long as that ad pays a bribe to them. It should be called uAd.
Given how long ago this was announced, anybody still using Chrome doesn’t care.
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Or they just installed uBlock Origin Lite, which still works for most things.
it works for youtube too?
I don’t use chrome, but this thread is the first I’m hearing of this.
company which makes most of it’s revenue from advertising fucks with their browser’s ability to remove ads. Go figure!
i am surprised it took this long, but i know that getting everybody using chromium, or at least webextensions, was part of the plan that had to exist first. and the path down mv3 started not long after both mozilla and microsoft were both roped-in.
I have to say I’m not surprised. No one wants to pay for a browser.
The irony is that Chrome’s rendering engine was a fork of WebKit, which was a fork of KHTML, a free and open source rendering engine created by KDE for Konqueror. They basically took something free, used Microsoft’s “embrace, extend, extinguish” tactics on it. Now KHTML is vestigial, only found in the UserAgent string.
But we could have had a truly free open source cross platform browser with Konqueror.
Best we have now is Firefox, but the bulk of Mozilla’s development funding comes from setting Google as the default search. So it is also hijackable.
I think it’s the shear cost of operating a browser. I would hope Mozilla are looking to diversity there income but without ads or sales to end users I’m not sure where it can go.
We could maybe have done that. But Konqueror has never been that good every time I tried it.
In circa 2003-2004, it was as close to on par with browsers at the time as it would get. I think the WebKit fork did damage to the momentum. By 2008 with KDE4, the rework that split it and Dolphin into to products was basically the final nail I think, as development work effectively stopped.
If you pay, do you get a say or is it the same play but you paid?
Chrome? What is that?
A thin layer of chromium on the surface of a metal to make it shiny and protect from corrosion.
Delicious when hexavalent
I used to work in manufacturing and we made a sort of tube socket that was cadmium plated on the outside and chrome plated on the inside.
I wonder how many people got cancer plating those things. Ironically, all of the platers were in California because it was banned for new plating centers in most other states.
A browser forked from KHTML by KDE
Isn’t that the shiny stuff you hang from trees in the winter?
No that’s tinsel
Oh yeah, Gretel’s brother
Nah, you’re thinking of Hansel. It’s actually an online community of people who can’t get laid despite really wanting to.
Chromium is the browser that I open a few times a year for websites that don’t support Firefox. A few may be a gross over estimate.
Fair, I just abandon the site. It’s their problem not mine.
It’s really seldom, but a few years back there was a government website that only worked with chrome or edge that I had to use. I had one the other night and found a work around. It’s a rare occurrence, and usually I can avoid it, but sometimes I have to just suck it up, do the deed, and bail.
I don’t design web apps but I’ve heard from some that do that firefox occasionally has problems with them, because it relies a lot on caching (actually they used the term “aggressive caching”, with a few extra choice words).
Anyway, usually not a problem. I use edge only for work since it’s the default browser and I barely do any actual browsing with it, mostly light app clients. On my own devices, it’s been firefox only for years.
Nowadays, just changing the user agent would be enough to make the site work again.
The data pimp with a loading bar
And i removed Chrome from my devices
I think I’ll be switching to librewolf at home. It can install mozilla extensions and comes with ublock origin baked in. Pulling a stunt like this is just going to drive people away from the Chrome environment. Corpos can’t help but shoot themselves in the foot.
Most people I know simply don’t care. They will use it because it’s convenient and they don’t care about the privacy dangers. I can’t comprehend it myself though. Drives me up the wall.
They will use it because it’s convenient
Using web without ublock is amongst the most inconvenient things I’ve experienced
I think most people who don’t know better just think that’s “the internet” and that it’s the same no matter how you access it. The whole concept of browsers and extensions is just not in the realm of concern.
I’ve seen some shift among the tech illiterate in my immediate vicinity, but most are still in the “I got nothing to hide” category of clueless twits.
Funnily enough my two kids have expressed hatred of AI. It’s mainly people around my age or higher that can’t let any sort of convenience go even if shown the dangers.
Otherwise I’m just “scaremongering”.
The kids are alright, then.
My 14yo hates the current AI but says most peers are using it and can’t understand how to write an essay or such without it.
I think only some of the kids are alright. Many, if not most, are in trouble.
Fair. I said that out of hope. I’m young. Just 24. But I’ve always been progressive. I want younger people smarter, and not dumber than me, LOL.
I hear this nightmare stories of kids lacking basic comprehension skills. AI should be severely limited in educational settings, though not outright banned, as it can supplement learning when used appropriately.
People who share every intimate detail of their life online don’t care about privacy.
Install Firefox with https://adnauseam.io/, it’s basically ublock origin but internally clicks on every add destroying your adds profile and damaging economics of adds and conversion.
Firefox users right now:
ublock origin lite, the natural replacement but not automatically enabled by google or microsoft. you have to go get it. https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home
an alternative is adguard’s browser extension. it is free to use and open source (gpl). https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdguardBrowserExtension#installation
Sing it with me:
Chrome, huh, yeah.
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, uhh….Ah, thank god I am using Zen (Firefox fork) now for 2 years already. I totally forgot about this manifest bs. Now that Chrome introduced vertical tabs I was thinking to myself “ah, I could give it a try, having less breaking things and so on”. But thanks for this reminder I will gladly stay with Zen.
Switched to Zen as soon as I switched to Linux about a year and a half ago. Love it.
Another Zen user chiming in to say, all the other ones seem confusing and cluttered now.
FWIW I do think you should give it a go.
Firefox is main browser, on desktop and mobile, and I’m not changing that.
Still, I do have Chromium installed for very specific usages, e.g. WebXR tests, WebBT and WebUSB devices, e.g. flashing keyboard firmware, controlling Lego bricks, etc. I’d rather only have Firefox to be clear but some things are not supported, marked as not planned, and I believe using Chromium on specific Websites, not for browsing, is perfectly fine when no alternative is available.
Giving Chrome a go? Why would I? Zen has everything I need, plus Chrome does not have an ad-blocker. I also sometimes need WebUSB and such things, but well, then I’ll use chrome once for that and be done with it.
I strongly suggest you nuke Chrome every time you are done using it.
Well then you are already doing what I suggested.
I’m not saying adopt Chrome as your main browser, I’m saying if Chrome alone has unique feature you think you might need, try it there. For example that allowed me to discover https://github.com/ArcaneNibble/awawausb
Consequently if you are curious about vertical tabs, do try it, even in a container, e.g. Webtop, if you want to be extra safe. I’m not suggesting to switch.
I switched to Zen a week ago and I haven’t ran into any issues with it, what do you find is broken with it?
I had some websites which didn’t work in some way. Can’t remember, which websites it were, just some big company websites where random buttons would just do nothing or similar. But I think it were only 2 or 3.
Other than that it’s fine. Sometimes it seems like tab management is a bit weird, I once had the browser open with about 100 new tabs besides the other ones I had saved. Just had to close them and done. On my Work-Laptop I have a folder pinned in one space and the popup for it’s contents is shifted down ~200px permanently for some reason. It’s all manageable.
That’s a web site design and architecture issue, not a browser issue. Most web sites are made for Chrome (Chromium-based) browsers, and anything based in Gecko is an afterthought, if anything.
I’d rather just not access a site if Chrome use is mandatory. LibreWolf has been fantastic for me the last 3 years or so. If I really need to access a “Chrome-exclusive” site, I use Brave, and then clear and reset everything in it in case I need it again.
I’d say it’s 50/50… actually 33/33/33.
First, in 2026 I think you need to fuck up pretty bad or use very special stuff in order for your website to only work on Chrome.
But of course Mozilla should behave just like every other browser (well there is basically only chromium right now) and all browsers in general should display websites in the same way. Back in the day you did choose which browser to support when you developed your website, but today you are basically just using browser standards.
Then… there is Google. They are blowing up and poisoning the web standards so much, for their own good and just to bring technology forward. They surely could be more careful and considerate while doing this, so that Mozilla would have a chance to participate.
so it
beginscontinues…When will people switch away from Chrome to other browsers? I get it, Chrome sets the standards and it’s hard to switch away from them, but it’s necessary to ensure the survival of the Internet.
They wouldn’t set the standard anymore if nobody used them.
I doubt most people even know you can change it. Edge is the default browser on windows. Chromium. Chrome is the default browser on android (though I suppose Samsung has a custom browser and they’re the main android device people are buying)
Ugh, any Samsung app is equivalent to internet explorer. Gross
Idk, I think I’d rather use IE than any Samsung app. At least IE tried to do some interesting things and tried to be customer focused…
A lot sooner than you think hopefully
