Hey everyone, can you please help me what to do- I don’t have and don’t use anything from Google. Now for school I am asked to provide Gmail. Is there way out ? What else, maybe some other email provider is compatible with school emailing system, because now teacher must use her personal email to email me and she is not happy at all…
Never heard of an email system that can only send email to addresses from one provider.
Do you think its because my email is Proton, that is why teacher can’t send ? If that was Tuta or similar maybe she would bot have a problem?
100% it is. The domain .me is blocked all the time. Try the “protonmail.com” one its blocked less
That’s because it’s the middle of the week. I save all my email minutes by emailing on the weekends and after 7PM.
Ask your teacher to check with the IT department why there’s such a restriction in the first place. Maybe they just falsely assume that Gmail == email? If they actually can’t use any other provider, both you and your teacher should confront the IT department or whoever made that decision.
It’s probably for auth. Make all the kids get a Gmail and then use it as your identity provider. Way cheaper and easier than running your own IDP.
This is not as simple as you make it out to be.
Teachers are not IT experts, nor are they privacy aware in many cases. School IT people are at best tech-savvy teachers who know where the esc key is. So entering a discussion with them will end up in a monologue from their end explaining their hands are tied. Schools (or groups of schools) make decisions on what infrastructure to use, and they hardly stray from that, just like companies do.
Best bet is to setup a burner account which you solely use on school assignments. Set up your browser (or dedicate a separate browser to school) to use different profile directories (!!) so you don’t mix private with school.
Maybe the teacher’s just using the software wrong? The “restriction” might as well be a user error. That’s worth considering before giving up and making a Google account, don’t you think?
Someone else said
nobody should be expected to drop their principles on a whim.
But this is exactly what school is about, training you that you’re nothing but a cog in the machine, teaching you to accept getting beaten down over nothing just because someone higher up the chain from you made a decision and why would he ever consult you in that decision you’re just a lowly student/worker.
Lol that was not my experience. School taught me how to fight against oppression. It was everywhere
When I was in school they provided me an outlook email. I used it only for school and made sure not to put in too much personal detail. If I had to use a personal email I’d use an alias. When I had to access it at home I’d login via a website. No systems schools use are in any way good for privacy so just keep it isolated as well as possible
The blame isn’t on you tbf nobody should be expected to drop their principles on a whim. Being compatible only with gmail is so bad… I hope you can work it out but it’s more a thing for school faculty to change.
Worst case scenario you make a burner acc. Are you sure there’s no “login/connect with another provider” type link?
AFAIK Proton permits to redirect mails from Gmail and others to Proton Mail.
That sounds super weird.
Does the school provide a Google account and email?
Even if they wanted it for authentication purposes, they’d have their own setup through Google. They wouldn’t insist on you having one.Is it just one teacher?
Ask another, see what they say.
If they confirm that’s how it works, then just make a gmail account for school.
If not, then you can decide how much you want to push back and educate this one teacher.This is a massive problem here too. Schools create these google accounts where teachers share work, etc. Its as if only google existed. How can we teach our kids to be openminded? I praise the suposedly young person that posted. Not all young people understand the threats of lockins.
Agree. Also weird b/c G has a special Google for Education scheme for schools. Which the school would be tied into, and accounts would be made through that. G makes promises like it won’t use the student’s data for other purposes, no profiling, no ads, etc.
I still wouldn’t be happy with having to use G as a student. For lots of reasons, like normalizing it so students will keep using G after they graduate. Even so, I believe G does make a good faith effort to adhere to their promises about not using student data for other purposes. But prob only if done through the official channels to create the acct.
Google Classroom is generally managed by the School’s IT. Your setup is strange if they request public gmail account and not internal account in the school tenant.
- Your teacher is correct in not being happy. Giving their personal email to a student is… problematic
- Remember that your privacy is already breached when a 3rd party in the communication is using gmail
- Simply create a burner gmail account and do not use that for anything else than inside your school’s google ecosystem
How do you get a burner account without a phone number?
Have you ever tried to make a google account? If they somehow let you create one, they ban you from your own account within some months/years.
This is definitely not a solution. You need something that won’t lock you out from your school/work at the whim of some broken automated false-positive from an evil company with no way to contact support
Or any teacher should be perfectly capable of setting up a throwaway account for teaching work, just like some are recommending the student do. Every piece of friction with data fascists is a positive gain for everyone else. It’s the people opting for low friction who are greasimg the rails for fascists of all stripes.
This really does not sound like it’s your fault at all. You and your teacher should be raising this issue to management, claim that you do not agree to googles terms of service nor privacy policy and that they can’t force you to comply.
SMTP and IMAP are documented protocols and they’re choosing to place these arbitrary restrictions upon students and teachers, time for them to reap what they sow.
until this day, you can register your own email for youtube. it might work as a google login later on.
I found this article. I will try to create Gmail account in library, because through my Tor browser with VPN is asking phone nr. https://itsourcecode.com/blogs/how-to-create-a-gmail-account-without-a-phone-number/
You cannot create a gmail without a phone number these days. There used to be work aroubda where you sign up for a gmail via youtube or on a smart TV (don’t advise the smart TV one), but I’m sure that doesn’t work anymore.
I think if you don’t want the gmail associated with your phone number you just have to buy a prepaid phone. If you live in a country where you can’t pay for prepaids with cash and without an I’D, then I don’t know. Welcome to the ponopticon I guess.
I can’t vouch for those paid SMS services, they seem like a scam to me.
I’ve created gmail without a phone number. It seems to still be possible.
That just means they already linked your browser fingerprint to your unique identity
If you’re doing things right, they will demand a phone number so they can link your account to your identity. If they can’t link your account to your identity, they’ll lock you out and delete your account. Because if they can’t sell your data to others, you are giving them no $$
Careful though. Google may lock you out of your account at any time, not allowing you to login until you add a phone number.
How recently, what country are you on, and what method.
It was around last year.
Fresh firefox profile, US. Worked fine.
Maybe it doesn’t work if I try it again.
Yeah its been a good year or two that you pretty much need a phone number.
If its a fresh residential IP that’s not already been flagged, or you havent made too many gmail accounts already then it might still work. You might have to buy a new device completely and then it works. But I am doubtful, I don’t have the resources to test all of that but from what it seems they’re locking out all the methods.
Can you create one for me? I dgaf if you have access to it 🤣
You could use SMSPool.
Why does your school not have their own in house email for students?
Most schools in the US use gmail as their in house email, even if you get a purdue.edu address the interface and backend is all gmail.
Guess I’m old. You could import it to gmail or outlook when I was in school, but everything was initially on our uni’s own stuff.
But this was still when gmail was new.
Isn’t outlook more common?
It could have been many moons ago. But about ten years ago, Google rolled out an irresistible deal for schools that included the workspace suite and unlimited storage. The schools took it up passionately and this is how we got students opening up a Google Docs browser tab that consumes 540 MB of RAM just to jot down a note two sentences long, and schools stuck with Google even as they aggressively whittle away at the promised ‘unlimited’ storage.
Leave [that] school.
You can learn more, faster, at your own pace, with a library card and an internet connection (if you use it like a library, not like TV).
You could also try walking your teacher through the user agreement… paying special attention to the deal with the devil clause, where they can change the agreement after you agree. And the parts about how they use all your data, and how they consider your emails their property after 90 days, and and and… So many egregious points. So against the spirit of pedagogy that any educational institute should be about.
yeah, just show your library card when asked for a degree
very nice
Usually you can just take a test to get the degree. And the person above is right that it’s faster if you just study for it yourself.
lol no, not here at least.
university degrees are like 99% self studying at this point anyway so it doesn’t make anything any faster if you learn the same things, you just lack an important piece of paper
Perhaps you could direct your teacher to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#Criticism. This is just laziness and stupidity on the part of the school, IMNSHO.
EDIT: Although, to be fair, the school is probably getting this from Google for free—that’s how they getcha.
google is very picky about this, but you can still create a google acc if using a “trusted” environment.
i had success on a relative’s android phone (with preexisting google acc and valid usim) and school computer (windows chrome). they probably internally log ties to that machine being used to create acc, but at least it doesn’t ask for phone number to auth and stuff. so, try using your school computer/tablet/etc for registration
This is terrible advice. Don’t do it.
why? do you have a better alternative?
Because if google lets you create the account, it’s only because they were able to link it to your identity. And then they will sell all of your data about you.
If you have a unique fingerprint but they can’t link it to your identity, google will lock you out of your account and delete your data because you aren’t giving them $$.
The former causes you harm. The later causes you harm.
if google lets you create the account, it’s only because they were able to link it to your identity
yes, they’re linking it to the identity of the school machine, or the (many other) students/teachers in the school that used that computer
If you have a unique fingerprint but they can’t link it to your identity, google will lock you out of your account and delete your data because you aren’t giving them $$
not sure wdym, haven’t experienced that personally. just create the google account on school machine once, setup gmail’s mail forwarding feature to send mails to your burner email, which forwards them to your primary email, and never bother with the google account at all. if there’s something necessary you can use the school computer again.
If you use a shared IP (eg on a school machine) whose fingerprint isn’t uniquely tied to your real world identity (name, birthday, etc), then they will flag it and demand a phone number or an image of a State issued ID so that they can link it to your identity.
If you don’t provide this, they will lock you out of the account and delete your account.
Google isn’t providing email for free. They need to be able to sell data about you to third parties. And if they can’t link it to your identity when they sell that data, they’ll delete it because you’re not giving them enough $$ to offset the expense of your account hosting
If you managed to not have this happen to you with your other accounts, it’s because they saw you login on another device that is uniquely fingerprinted and tied to your identity. Or they read your email and determined your real identity from the emails (eg amazon account purchases, address or name somewhere in an email)
i’ve already said enough that there’s at least some case where it works like i said, since i’ve had the exact usecase. i didn’t get flagged, asked for phone number or got the account removed. i see no point in replying any further.
Do you think library PC would be considered trusted environment?
absolutely not. but you’re only going to use the created account for your school things, no?
your teacher is also going to access their acc through the school network anyway, so there’s no further breach that can occur from the school network being pwned.
edit: if you mean trusted by google it may be. at least was the case for me
