Oh yeah? But is their customer service also an essential blend of AI and dog shit?
Checkmate, europoors.
*europeons was so close and yet you missed the mark.
I’m not sure how to feel about someone thinking I coined that term…
Wasn’t thinking that, I just think Europeons is the far superior pun. Speaking as a Europeon, of course.
It’s far superior, but it may need a hyphen. Otherwise most USians won’t recognise the pun and will just think that’s how Euro-peons spell it. Which is only hilarious until the new spelling is an official US variant.
US? Do you mean Magastan? The banana republic between Mexico and Canada?
I thought it was Magadishu
Oh god, please let me wake up back in the sane timeline…
Okay, hear me out: what if you click on a contact in your contact list and start typing a message, but instead of writing in the message field, it instead focused a random contact in your contract list whose name starts with the last letter you typed. Anyone? People love this feature, right?
I’m not too convinced FLOSS devs are mentally flexible enough to implement all of the glory of MS Teams.
I love the feature where I paste something into an email, and then it stops me typing by popping up a useless menu.
My second favourite is the one where you’re typing, and suddenly it starts treating all your keypresses as shortcuts and deleting things. I love that.
And don’t even get me started on Outlook search. I can no longer find any emails, even by typing in the things that were on them.
But hey, at least an admin can fuck it all up from one place!
The problem with windows and by extension microslop software is that the UI was made when computers were 1,000,000 times slower than they are today.
What? Teams updates its UI so often it feels like with every update they move buttons around just to fuck with the user. Even outlook has been updated to a somehow even shittier UI. If I had a choice I’d choose the UI from the 1000000 times slower era because at least it was functional.
I was mostly referring to the semantics of the windowing, not application layout.
that’s not even true. they are trying to follow the latest tech giant design trends making everything with huge gaps, rounded corners and huge memory usage, and the ui lagging more than anything 20 years ago
My favorite feature is when there is a message in a chat you are already looking at and you have to click out of it and back in before the notification will go away
You’re underselling it! Sure, what you discribe would be a nice feature, but what makes it truly great is the combination with a slow and unresponsive UI. It’s thought provoking genius!
Did it register the click or do I have to try again? Maybe I should meditate to fully harvest the value of this 0.5s Zen moment, because it also might just take much longer this time? Does a tree fall, when there is no one to witness it? Does a click matter if it is inside Teams?
I thought that was just me! My second favorite feature is that a full 75% of my notifications in a day are Facilitator bot messages, which I need to repeatedly click out of and into to clear.
I get this on FB’s Messenger, it notifies me that there’s a new message in the thread. Yes, it’s my message, the one I just sent, thanks Meta, I’m aware of it.
Or if someone reacts to your message while you’re still in that chat, you need to go to a completely separate notification feed to clear that one (though maybe they fixed that one… Or maybe I just automatically ignore that other feed because it only ever has noise).
My favourite: It says you have an unread message. It won’t tell you where. You need to go hunting for it.
We could spend the rest of our lives trying to make a search function less useful than what Microsoft puts in every single one of their apps. Fucking up a search bar is the new fucking up an instant messenger.
Tbf, the MS Team’s search hasn’t failed me yet. Unlike outlook which wouldn’t find an email when searching for the exact subject line, even while I have the email open in another window just to be sure I’m not hallucinating how bad the search is.
What about freezing and locking the whole system ~45 minutes in a meeting every time? Or hear me out, lets display the content of the window in the centered rectangle that takes 15-20% of window and it can be resized down but not up?
For me: When using the teams app on my work laptop, something prevents the clock multiplier in my processor from working correctly - it’s locked to 600-800MHz (according to the performance tab in the Taskmanager) and everything is very sluggish. As soon as I exit the meeting, it will jump back up to several GHz as it should…
Or sometimes the text bar just randomly loses focus and for whatever reason doesn’t default to getting focus when you type anything. I’d bet money this “feature” was the result of someone with more power than intelligence accidentally sending something embarassing because they didn’t realize teams had focus. Hell, I bet a good portion of Microsoft’s dumbshit behavious are the result of incompetent people getting power over how something behaves and basically boomerizing it (making it work in a specific and weird way that only makes sense to them).
Maybe Microsoft devs also sometimes lose focus
Yeah, there’s that angle also. Like how you can start phoning it in when you have a shitty manager that kills your passion. I have a feeling that that is part of the overall corporate culture at MS rather than just the case for people unlucky with which manager they ended up with.
Assuming you meant that “focus” as a pun that refers to their ability to focus on their work to the point of doing it well.
If you meant that it might have been some rogue developer that snuck in that change instead of a rogue manager, yeah, that’s also possible.
meh, as I understand the alt is an open source project so it maybe terrible but it’s a terrible that can be pressured to fix
Nah, it’s probably going to be an abandoned project with 10+ merge requests in line with no one to review them - if it isn’t already.
Brother, the article is talking about Element Pro.
My friends all go on and on about how much element sucks and yet I have zero problems with it, it’s confounding to me
I can’t imagine element sucking more than teams. Teams generates suicidal ideation every hour
Lol element got horrendous ux. It almost made me go to alternatives like revolt/stoat.
Luckily I found sable and it’s pretty great
It’s alright? What’s wrong with it?
I’m using both web and android version. There are some things that I don’t like, but they are nothing compared to fuxking teams.
No channel sorting
Which psychopath sorts channel/contacts?
Discord mods. It contributes to a sense of place, it makes people feel like the channels are rooms. It’s very important for giving a community its own unique vibes.
Element feels soulless because the channels are always changing order. It feels ephemeral and artificial. Discord feels solid.
I use Sable with Matrix and it is SO much better than Element.
If it is abandoned, then they can fork it and fix the issues easy.
Backed by the EU?
I’m really not sure if absolute shit is a notch above or below Teams.
Teams is negative.
Shit is negative.
Absolute shit is positive.
Therefore absolute shit > teams.
Qed.
Hey kids, try this neat trick:
during a Teams meeting, mention a very esoteric product 2-3X .
Within a week, someone will email you an offer to buy that product.
The Commission introduced Element Pro
Ufff. Matrix/Element is rough. I tried moving my friends there and everyone bailed on me.
Self-host Fluxer instead, EU!
Matrix is fine with an alternative client. I use Commet, and it’d pretty much serve as a total replacement for Discord for me if not for the fact that nearly none of the communities I’m in are bridged there.
Agreed. Comment is good. I really like Sable too. Element isn’t “bad” but it never felt good either.
Doesn’t sound like a technical issue, but a social one
Rough in which way?
fluxer
I mean there is ‘rough’ and there is stutters while scrolling the main page like it stutters on the site that you linked.
I like element but it’s not nearly as lightweight and user-friendly as I would like it to be.
I assume we talk about the desktop client here.
lightweight
my brother in Christ, Discord and Teams both need like 2x the RAM so don’t talk to me about that.
user-friendly
Idk left side has contacts and groups, right side chat. What exactly is not user-friendly there?
my brother in Christ, Discord and Teams both need like 2x the RAM so don’t talk to me about that.
I don’t compare a hot-dog to a pile of dog poo and say “it’s good food”.
Idk left side has contacts and groups, right side chat. What exactly is not user-friendly there?
- slow to load up
- long sync times
- high battery drain for mobile users
- room concept, as opposed to contact chats
- electron app sucks donkeyballs - wastes lots of screen space where no chat is displayed
- options way too hard to find at times (like how to add existing rooms to a space)
- no online/offline status of contacts
- trust model with device verification is unintuitive for non-techie users (admitted this one has improved with the emojis years ago and with cross-device certification)
I could probably find a bunch of more reasons if I thought longer about it. These are all issues that don’t keep me from using the app, but they are severe enough that I can’t convince non-techie friends to use element as a messenger. For matrix, there are superior messengers for sure, albeit those are then limited in functionality.
I don’t compare a hot-dog to a pile of dog poo and say “it’s good food”.
Then what is your definition of lightweight? A command line chat app?
slow to load up
literally loads within 3s
long sync times
maybe if you didn’t open it for a year yes, otherwise it’s in the sub-second area
high battery drain for mobile users
Mine is <1% for the last day. If you don’t setup proper push messaging which then requires the app to constantly wake up - yeah than it might be a problem.
room concept, as opposed to contact chats
How exactly is this a problem?
electron app sucks
Teams is also using Electron Microslop Edition
options way too hard to find at times (like how to add existing rooms to a space)
Just go into the settings and you will find 99%
Moving a room to a space has nothing to do with options and is a very uncommon task.
no online/offline status of contacts
ok guess you last used Element 5+ years ago?
- https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/3026
- https://spec.matrix.org/v1.3/client-server-api/#presence
- https://patrick.cloke.us/posts/2023/12/15/matrix-presence/
trust model with device verification is unintuitive for non-techie users
Yeah e.g. Whatsapp and Signal have the exact same problems expect when you keep some (sometimes not encrypted) backup somewhere.
I believe the correct term is “shite”, to be spoken with a thick accent lol
Honestly I don’t know why the majority don’t just use something like teamspeak. I still use 3 point something version and it still works. Do I really need to see you on my screen? Like does that add anything or are we pretending to be futuristic?
It adds speaking to a new face in a corporate environment.
I guess? Okay this is kind of a mean take on it, from my experience, with having managed a company of over 300–which is tiny, if you would stfu and fill out your sheet and send me an email, I would prefer that. I already did your background check and dive.
I know this isn’t a very “professional” take but that’s how it’s always been for me. The amount of parties and alcohol is really the surprising part.
Honestly surprised they didn’t go with NextCloud Talk.
Lol. They were cloning absolute shit to begin with. So if anything this is a compliment to devs capability
Whooosh
That reminds me - how are XMPP servers going? They seem to be a much more lightweight alternative, and with the right XEPs enabled they should match the overall functionality of Teams, right?
Yeah, Movim even runs on the browser so you don’t need to install a client app
