I replied to someone saying that the USSR defeated the Nazis saying that it was a group effort. Got into an argument and called a Nazi repeatedly because “I was mad that the USSR defeated the Nazis and hated them for it” which is ridiculous. This isn’t the first time that’s happened on Lemmy. What’s up with that?

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    That’s just the admins of lemmy.ml for ya, here’s a megathread on them

    You’ll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general

    Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

    Or so much more, I actually haven’t updated the megathread in a few months, but there’s more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

    ETA - Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance! To make this easy you can do an instance block at Settings > Block Tab > Scroll to bottom > Input “lemmy.ml” and apply And consider donating to individual instances instead.

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      Why anyone would trust anything you say I’ve no idea. Your posts are all very much made up narratives.

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        Each and every post includes:

        • As much screenshots as possible to capture the full context (Tankies do love to complain that critics never have the full context after all)

        • Links to the modlog and source post wherever possible

        Titles are just a summary or interpretation, as is every article you’ve ever read. The full evidence is available for you to post your own interpretation if you feel mine is wrong.

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    Ya the guys in Lemmy.ml tend to be pretty weird like that. They aren’t a monolith but in general they tend to think that Russia, China, and North Korea have never done anything bad and that all the evil in the world comes from capitalism in europe and America and that the whole world will be fixed when The Revolution comes. It is all sort of like evangelical Christianity with the numbers filed off, the president of the United States is like an appointed satan (appointed, not elected, they don’t believe elections work/are real in the west) who rules over hell which is the west (sometimes stylized as “Amerikkka”, often accompanied by an American flag emoji with a fire emoji on top of it or a jpeg of a Chinese emperor shooting a fireball), Karl Marx is sort of like Jesus and mao, lenin, Stalin, etc. are the disciples, and The Revolution is the rapture. It is a pretty interesting belief system and I think the .ml guys all mean well, but they can be really difficult to talk to sometimes, as you’ve seen.

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      thats because its true, if you left your liberal echo chamber and read real news and read theory properly it would all make sense 😒

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        Yeah, it’s totally true, everyone knows the only member of the allied forces was actually the USSR. No other country fought against the Nazis, they did completely single handedly, and totally wouldn’t have just sat there and let it happen, if Hitler hadn’t violated their non aggression pact first.

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    Lemmy was started by authoritarian communists (often called tankies) who got banned from Reddit, so they are generally more abundant here. They have their own alternate version of reality where the USSR was the most perfect society to ever exist and the west is the source of all evil in the world.

    There are a few instances (aka servers) they tend to congregate on, but the main one is Lemmy.ml. It was the first server made so despite its extreme ideological slant, it still has a lot of subscribers. Just avoid any communities on Lemmy.ml and this shouldn’t happen anymore.

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      To elaborate, they are tankies who believe trans rights are western pink washing. And who larp as Haitian revolutionaries from their ergonomic computer chairs. And who literally do not post outside of their home instance because they can’t handle the internet without their “I win” ban button.

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          Mentioning lemmy.ml in a thread in lemmy.world is like a bat signal to them. All the tankies come out of their hibernation to spread their bullshit. It’s pretty funny and sad.

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            It reminds me of the olden days when inter-forum and later inter-subreddit drama was more of a thing. Meta reddit basically died as it got turned into a dripfeed of algorithmic misery rather than a collection of boards, but Lemmy is literally a collection of decentralised boards so it’s just reverting to the norm.

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        Nazi’s*

        Fixed that for you. America literally hired former Nazis to write the history of the eastern front and did so knowing over looking his intentional rewriting of history to whitewash both the Nazis in general in the eastern front, and the generals specifically (Blaming Hitler for military decisions with bad outcomes.)

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Halder

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      No they didn’t. If a non-aggression pact allowing Nazi annexation of territory is equivalent to an alliance, then France and Britain allied with the Nazis multiple times before the Soviets. There is a reason about how the only non-aggression pact that you hear about is Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and not the Munich Agreements or the Franco-German Declaration, etc. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came out of the Soviets being turned down multiple times by France and Britain to forming an anti-fascist alliance.

      This is the selective remembrance of appeasement. It is ignored that that encompassed many non-aggression pacts with the Nazis and is only remembered to selectively invoke for war hawking. If we say a nation is evil, than not being on board with a war of aggression is actually evil (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.) and you are just like Chamberlain, whose only motivation was being a pussy. You can discuss the morality or effectiveness, but Molotov-Ribbentrop was to try to delay the war for preparation and that the Nazis wouldn’t be stupid enough to start a war without their own oil and steel supplies and without preventing a possibility of a two front war with France/Britain, and the Soviets were caught flat-footed because of overestimating the rationality of the Nazis. There was also the worry that France and Britain might eventually join the Nazis since they were pretty vocal about fascism being a possible necessary evil as it is the most extreme form of anti-communism, even though the attempt of appeasement was trying to sit out an eventual war between the Nazis and USSR, since Judeo-Bolshevism was a thing Nazis believed before they even took power.

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    .ml comm? It’s pretty funny how they can’t even run an online community without censorship.

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    Don’t take it personal. There are some deep Tankie holes on Lemmy, primarily .lm, they’d even take offense if you were suggesting, that maybe not absolutely everything is splendid in North Korea and I am not kidding or exaggerating here.

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      They are so weird there. They were arguing that North Korea is definitely not an authoritarian regime and also definitely not starving their citizens or some stupid shit, and one of them started yelling about how I probably believed North Koreans all had the same haircut because of the mainstream media, which I… didn’t, but I said if they did, it wouldn’t be crazy because they have less diverse media to access, but also that wouldn’t have anything to do with why North Korea’s government is bad, but I was just so confused why they were mad about it.

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      There are some deep Tankie holes on Lemmy

      Deep Tankie Holes are what I’m calling my Lemmy moderator themed porno

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      “Damn, how’d our planes wind up in Libya? Well, I guess we have to defend ourselves against the ground in case it attacks. What luck that our planes just happen to be loaded up with bombs!”

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          Is not actually a reply when someone literally provides proof that you are wrong.

          Proving something is false in math literally only requires a single counter-example.

          That counter example was given. You’re just too childish to admit you’re wrong.

          And what is especially funny is you lump everyone that disagrees with you as a tankie. Your childishness not allowing you to recognize that multiple different ideological views can lead to the same conclusion.

          Libertarians and Communists can actually agree on some small things. the fact that they do doesn’t make them the same.

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      thats because its not its an imperialist tool with nothing defensive about it, lib worlders man 😒

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      If you are in a ‘defensive alliance’ with a bunch of countries that regularly engage in aggressive overseas invasions, ones in which you frequently if not always help and provide support. Then I’m sorry to inform you that you are in an ‘offensive alliance’.

      Most NATO countries have in some way helped with Trump’s mindless war on Iran (I mean heck, Spain is basically famous for being the only one who won’t). You have to admit there’s nothing defensive about that.

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    The Soviets raped and killed everything in sight when they entered Romania. They can go to hell with their “help”. They fought the nazis, and they took advantage of the rest of us.

    Nevermind how they installed a communist regime that ruined romania for like a decade or whatever. Not that communism is bad but that one sure was.

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      I don’t think you speak for all Romanians

      Majority of Romanians view Ceaușescu and communist era positively, study shows

      Romania’s president has expressed concern after a new survey highlighted a growing sense of nostalgia for the communist era, with former totalitarian leader Nicolae Ceaușescu viewed positively by most Romanians.

      The study, released this week, revealed that nearly 56% of Romanians believe the communist regime—widely regarded as one of the harshest of its era—brought more benefits than drawbacks to Romania.

      A large majority of respondents—over 66%—told researchers they now regard former dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu, who ruled the country with an iron fist from 1965 to 1989, as a good leader.

      The Institute for Public Opinion Polling (INSCOP) study, conducted with the Institute for the Investigation of Communist Crimes and the Memory of the Romanian Exile (IICCMER), suggests that nostalgia for the past is tied to widespread disenchantment around the country’s current prospects.

      Just over 27% of respondents said they believed things in Romania are heading in a good direction, with more than 63% feeling that the country is on the wrong track.

      Groups most likely to share positive sentiments about the communist era included the over-60s, people on lower incomes, and those living in the countryside or small towns. The same groups expressed the greatest disillusionment with present-day Romania.

      In total, over 48% of Romanians said they believed life was better under communism.

      https://tvpworld.com/87994994/majority-of-romanians-nostalgic-for-communism-study-shows

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        The majority’s opinion doesn’t mean shit. Do I need to remind everyone that America voted an old geezer pedophile billionaire bastard for president?

        No, I don’t speak for all Romanians. I’m glad I don’t.

        Ceausescu was an installed leader that had only Russia’s interests in mind, which wanted everything the leaders from other countries had, like Russia, North Korea, and other such countries. He wanted massive parrades, massive buildings, massive ego-boosting bullshit.

        He then made all lthat happen. In the process, indebted the country MASSIVELY. It took us decades to recover, and the Romanian worker paid for it, not him and his cronies. In the end he was executed by the revolution on Christmas for his acts of treason against his working class. Those people that stood up to him were heroes.

        Those that praise Ceausescu often say that he got rid of our debts. BUT HE CREATED THOSE DEBTS, with his ego-spending and megalomany

        Those that like Ceausescu are idiots. They are the same people that like George Simion and Calin Georgescu.

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      No, that is Nazi propaganda that the US continued propagating through the cold war since it made the Soviets look bad. While there were definitely rapes that occurred, that happens with every occupying army, there was never any evidence of this being a policy or something tolerated by the officers. Any attempt to quantify this shows that American and British soldiers were more prolific in rapes of French women than Soviets anywhere on the Eastern Front, even though the usual refrain is just that the Soviets were better at covering it up than the US or UK, the lack of evidence is itself evidence. Also, most of the studies of this shows that having armed women combat fighters on the front and a more gender integrated military really cut down on the usual “boys will be boys” attitude of not addressing these things.

      The other attempt to try to demonstrate this is the huge spike of recorded abortions in East Germany after the war, but if you think for a second about how Nazi Germany and West Germany outlawed abortions, but abortions became fully legal under East Germany, there might have been another explanation.

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        there was never any evidence of this being a policy or something tolerated by the officers

        …meanwhile…

        Have fun with a wench and take some trifle — Joe “War Crime” Stalin

        Begone tankie

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          Joseph “defeated the Nazis and beat the Americans to space” Stalin, lol

          Which one of your living presidents isn’t a war criminal?

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            bullshit apologism for red army rape and war crimes, claims it wasn’t tolerated

            Show Stalin himself, on record, expressing approval for war crimes

            wHaT aBoUt UsssAa???

            Living proof you have to have some cognitive deficiency to subscribe to the tankie narrative. Go touch some grass or eat dirt or something, the internet is rotting your brain.

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                Never said you were? I guess it’s probably easy for you to hallucinate persecution narratives since you spend so much time flooding your brain with garbage. Thanks for proving me right I guess

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        You’re fucking stupid. My family has first hand experience with all of that, you fucking tankie idiot.

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          Awee someone doesn’t know how to articulate a coherent thought so they just resort to becoming a li’l cave man, Hahaha.

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        My bad I should’ve known even mentioning communism would make you cum all over yourself

        I even said It’s not bad but I think you came before getting to the last part

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    Oh gosh, any snarky comments about the reality of China and the fact that they are pumping out more billionaires than the US always gets deleted on ML.

    They are fucking delusional and ignore all evidence that challenges their bizarre viewpoints. When it comes to Russia they are even worse. They are not wrong about Russia doing the heavy lifting in WWII, but they are definitely being assholes about it.

    Whenever I am on Lemmy and noticed someone being very passive aggressive around politics you can almost guarantee they are from ML.

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      I have found that if u make a legitimate argument backed by facts that are irrefutable, the mod will ban you and delete all your comments for breaking from their echo chamber. Decided to return the favor for their whole instance so I no longer have the misfortune of seeing any of the drivel on their communities. Sucks because there was a couple I enjoyed despite the tankies, but there’s much better alternative communities on other instances that won’t kick u out for having a differing opinion. .ml/hexbear basically = authoritarian cuck, it’s like the communist version of Trump supporters as weird as that sounds.

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      Whenever I am on Lemmy and noticed someone being very passive aggressive around politics you can almost guarantee they are from ML.

      I have also noticed this a few weeks ago. I don’t know whats with the snarky, ignorant, immature attitude, but its always .ml

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    My time on Lemmy drastically improved when I blocked the “Tankie Triad”, which is Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Lemmy(dot)ml. I also unsubscribed from anything .ml and manually searched for the next most-popular non-tankie community for that topic.

    I don’t care if you have different beliefs than me, but tankies are unreasonable, trolling, and biased, in both content and moderation. They’re not around to discuss anything in good faith…

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      Yeah, those places should be covered by the FAQ or something.

      A much better solution would be for every other instance to just defederate them.

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          That is indeed a good idea, but doesn’t fix the problem for the new people coming to Lemmy via popular instances like lemmy.world.

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        Unfortunately most places can’t just defederate from .ml.

        They’re the developers of lemmy. For instance owners to keep on top of updates and shit they need to be federated. World already did defederate from lemmygrad and hexbear.

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      gots to block those evil communists! can’t have anything not approved by the empire getting into my liberal echo chamber!! 🥀

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        I mean - its literally the paradox of tolerance. Tankie instances wont let you speak freely. Tankies are free to spam their shit here though. Notice how you have not been banned yet?

        So basically you don’t lose much by blocking the tankie triad. It just means you can discuss without randomly being blocked/banned. There are most definitely other instances/commukities that ban people for bad reasons, and I would promote blocking them too. Fuck the power tripping mods/admins.

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    Yeah. Welcome to lemmy.ml

    Many of us just block all the communities of lemmy.ml. this way you are out of reach of the tankie mods.

    Unfortunately, lemmy.ml is one of the big instances, so you’re also cutting a big chunk of Lemmy content. But if enough people join the ml boycott (there are already a lot of people that block ml), eventually ml will shrink and other more sensible instances will prevail.

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            A tankie did. But Lemmy is not a website. You were talking about websites. The website my account is in is lemmy.world. which is not run by tankies. And tankies do not have any moderation power. Why would a non-tankie avoid a website that is not run or moderated by tankies?

            I just see a lot of tankies because Lemmy is a federated system, and one of the big instances is controlled by tankies. I can just block that instance’s communities (as I already do) and move on with my life without being fed tankie-curated-and-moderated content.

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      Actually, according to lemmyverse.net (great place for comm discovery btw!) and my own experience cross posting .ml content, .ml is almost entirely held up by a core set of the most diehard tankie users. Most .ml comms are overshadowed by comms on other instances with much higher Monthly Active Users numbers.

      The comm search field goes by pure subscriber count which doesn’t really decrease for any reason other than a user actually unsubscribing from a comm so all of those insane numbers on some .ml comms are just overinflated and don’t reflect actual traffic. It’s full of dead and/or banned accounts, alts and some still active users

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    Sometimes a user’s views don’t align with the echo chamber they are posting in. When that happens in a political community, it usually ends in removal to protect said echo chamber.

    I never see anyone get called a Nazi in cat picture communities.

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          If you check the mod logs, it’s not even the mods that run their own instances. It’s mostly the admins.

          Fitting in an authoritarian shithole, isn’t it?

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      Sometimes a user’s views don’t align with the echo chamber they are posting in. When that happens in a political community, it usually ends in removal to protect said echo chamber.

      So just like reddit? That’s disappointing.

      I never see anyone get called a Nazi in cat picture communities

      Fair enough. I just thought it was weird to get called a Nazi for disagreeing that the USSR didn’t singlehandedly defeat the Nazis.

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        So just like reddit? That’s disappointing.

        Remember this is just Reddit for people who think they are better than redditors

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            i did a test, after 1+year of shadowbanned, a new account dint get banned, i avoid the major subreddits though. im guessing reddit gauges ban based on severity like ban evasion attempts, bots/spammers i think will have a difficult time making accounts(unless they are paying for mehtods to evading).

            different IP+ device still work. but i am only there sparingly, asking niche subs that arnt on reddit.

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      i got site banned from reddit for posting a picture of my cat on my porch.

      by the ‘cats can’t ever be outside’ people reporting my post as violence.

      there are extremist nutcases in every community. the problem is they are hypocritical bad faith actors, almost always. who feel anyone that represents anything they dislike means they should have free reign to abuse and harass those people.

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        So your insgance is not an echo chamber and this one is? Based on…?

        Oh, is it because you get downvotend and shit talked here? Do note the lack of removed comments and bans.

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        Surely you can disagree and say Russia is bad for invading places. Surely that’s not going to be removed, right?

        Or say Stalin wasn’t perfect. Surely the modlog on .ml doesn’t have thousands of those comments removed.

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    Yeah like others have said they don’t like people saying bad things about China or Russia. I’m banned from a few places for saying jack ma (founder of ali-baba) was disappeared for re-education since he used to be a huge critic of the Chinese government, went missing for like a week, then came back and suddenly started praising the Chinese government and thats not even a little sus?

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    First, some people on lemmy are simply stupid. Doesn’t make sense to engage with everyone.

    Second, a lot of people on lemmy like to ignore what you really say and find some hidden messages everywhere. “You didn’t say you hate X so you must love Y, you nazi/homophobe/racist/communist/whatever”. Not much you can do about it. It’s best to just block them.