I would also tell them that it’s possible to actually understand things. Most people seem to go through life on rote, seemingly not recognizing when something doesn’t make sense because they don’t expect anything to make sense.
Oh my god could you sound any more flushable.
Just fuck yourself. Everybody is thinking all of the fucking time, everybody has blindspots, stop being so insufferable.
They’re so obsessed with this narrative that keeps them ahead of the curve, guess what ex gifted kids? Other people catch up, you’re not competing with 4 year olds anymore.
I think a lot of rats have this idea that they arrived at their views and values solely by thinking really hard (and being really really smart). Which means that anyone who doesn’t share their same basic views is simply a mouthbreathing NPC who doesn’t have any curiosity in “the way the world works” - when in reality, people just have a lot of other shit on their minds, and tend to care about less abstract problems than [insert sci-fi trope here].
It’s funny that the commenter talks so much about how people should just try to understand things, and in the same breath fails to try to empathize with people who think differently.
Not to mention that even people who do think about those abstract problems can come to different conclusions than them.
A lot of the stuff in the tip of the rationalist iceberg, the obsession with intelligence and logic, the quasi-dogmatic faith in exponentially improving technology, even stepping my toes into the eugenics territory and getting burned, these are all things I remember from my tween years. I have been in that headspace, thinking of all the same questions every single self-appointed child genius LessWronger is obsessed with. And yet, I came out of it all as a leftist SJW with a raging disdain for the techno-financial-idustrial complex.
What happened is that I grew up, had my views challenged, met and befriended more diverse groups of people, learned about alternative views and synthesized them with my own, gaining a more nuanced understanding of issues I thought I had “solved” in my head by the age of 15. The worst thing that could have happened to me is convincing everyone who disagrees with me is an NPC and walling myself in a bubble full of other insecure logic bros all firmly locked in the adolescent mindset of having figured everything out forever.
I would also tell them that the rationality cargo culting, is the only way to portray understanding things,
fake it till you make it, you can solve this insecurity that I have about myself in you!
Other people are untinking NPCs, they don’t see the cracks in the matrix (and PC hellscape) like I do.
Hey, don’t lump us “gifted” folks in with LW~ I survived Talented & Gifted; I stayed in school, studied, and learned about the world. Yud’s contention is that I should have dropped out and read sci-fi books all day.
I do read sci-fi all day, though… Maybe we’re not so different…
@naevaTheRat@dgerard People criticizing rationalism aren’t suggesting we can’t understand things, but we do often suggest we can’t understand everything, or even some of the specific things rationalists claim to understand.
I’ve met more people that simply have the “I don’t know, who cares?” attitude than people who actually ask questions and discuss issues, with some sort of articulateable reason for why something happened.
It’s not an age issue, some people overthink everything when their a kid and older, while other people can’t comprehend why anyone would want to ask questions.
Ed: oh fuck it my bad you’re a horrible racist. Alright
The question is always, and I mean ALWAYS “what exactly do you mean by ask questions and discuss issues?” Because from the very first second you complain that people don’t do that, it is a universal law that I will ultimately or quickly find you (a) refusing to do that, (b) complaining about somebody who did exactly that because it didn’t go your way. Some valorised ideal of “someone who asks questions and discusses issues” is cant, it is for all intents and purposes meaningless beyond what LessWrongers would call “signalling” that this is the sort of person you personally would like to be, hugely conditioned by class/culture/etc.
It’s almost exclusively a matter of vocabulary: people identify speaking in a particular register with being that kind of person as they understand that ideal, to the point that they will literally be blind and deaf to real life question marks in order to push an interpretation through as to whether or not their conversation partner matches up.
Don’t say stuff like that, be concrete and specific.
It’s almost exclusively a matter of vocabulary: people identify speaking in a particular register with being that kind of person as they understand that ideal
Oh my god could you sound any more flushable.
Just fuck yourself. Everybody is thinking all of the fucking time, everybody has blindspots, stop being so insufferable.
They’re so obsessed with this narrative that keeps them ahead of the curve, guess what ex gifted kids? Other people catch up, you’re not competing with 4 year olds anymore.
The most perfect set-up to date for a joke about how the Thing Understander has logged on
https://xkcd.com/610/
I think a lot of rats have this idea that they arrived at their views and values solely by thinking really hard (and being really really smart). Which means that anyone who doesn’t share their same basic views is simply a mouthbreathing NPC who doesn’t have any curiosity in “the way the world works” - when in reality, people just have a lot of other shit on their minds, and tend to care about less abstract problems than [insert sci-fi trope here].
It’s funny that the commenter talks so much about how people should just try to understand things, and in the same breath fails to try to empathize with people who think differently.
Not to mention that even people who do think about those abstract problems can come to different conclusions than them.
A lot of the stuff in the tip of the rationalist iceberg, the obsession with intelligence and logic, the quasi-dogmatic faith in exponentially improving technology, even stepping my toes into the eugenics territory and getting burned, these are all things I remember from my tween years. I have been in that headspace, thinking of all the same questions every single self-appointed child genius LessWronger is obsessed with. And yet, I came out of it all as a leftist SJW with a raging disdain for the techno-financial-idustrial complex.
What happened is that I grew up, had my views challenged, met and befriended more diverse groups of people, learned about alternative views and synthesized them with my own, gaining a more nuanced understanding of issues I thought I had “solved” in my head by the age of 15. The worst thing that could have happened to me is convincing everyone who disagrees with me is an NPC and walling myself in a bubble full of other insecure logic bros all firmly locked in the adolescent mindset of having figured everything out forever.
Aumann’s Agreement Theorem says that I’m right so therefore you’re wrong
I mean it seems to me these people just copy what they think a smart person on the internet says, and theres little actual thought about things.
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Sneerious rephrasing:
I would also tell them that the rationality cargo culting, is the only way to portray understanding things,
fake it till you make it, you can solve this insecurity that I have about myself in you!
Other people are untinking NPCs, they don’t see the cracks in the matrix (and PC hellscape) like I do.
Hey, don’t lump us “gifted” folks in with LW~ I survived Talented & Gifted; I stayed in school, studied, and learned about the world. Yud’s contention is that I should have dropped out and read sci-fi books all day.
I do read sci-fi all day, though… Maybe we’re not so different…
@naevaTheRat @dgerard People criticizing rationalism aren’t suggesting we can’t understand things, but we do often suggest we can’t understand everything, or even some of the specific things rationalists claim to understand.
I’ve met more people that simply have the “I don’t know, who cares?” attitude than people who actually ask questions and discuss issues, with some sort of articulateable reason for why something happened.
It’s not an age issue, some people overthink everything when their a kid and older, while other people can’t comprehend why anyone would want to ask questions.
Maybe the people you’ve met who “don’t care” aren’t interested in participating in your weird probing into whether they’re p-zombies or not.
this is the guy who’s been posting bogus race science elsewhere and has been escorted to the egress
Ed: oh fuck it my bad you’re a horrible racist. Alright
The question is always, and I mean ALWAYS “what exactly do you mean by ask questions and discuss issues?” Because from the very first second you complain that people don’t do that, it is a universal law that I will ultimately or quickly find you (a) refusing to do that, (b) complaining about somebody who did exactly that because it didn’t go your way. Some valorised ideal of “someone who asks questions and discusses issues” is cant, it is for all intents and purposes meaningless beyond what LessWrongers would call “signalling” that this is the sort of person you personally would like to be, hugely conditioned by class/culture/etc.
It’s almost exclusively a matter of vocabulary: people identify speaking in a particular register with being that kind of person as they understand that ideal, to the point that they will literally be blind and deaf to real life question marks in order to push an interpretation through as to whether or not their conversation partner matches up.
Don’t say stuff like that, be concrete and specific.
This, so much this