• @Snapz@lemmy.world
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    Plain and simple… She was a woman, and a black person - There will be months of tap dancing and “deep” analysis, but we’re just an ugly, atrophied, broken, racist and patriarchal nation, like deep down in our DNA. We were able to elect Obama, yes - he is half white, and a man (those weren’t the loud messages as they attacked him, but Pennsylvania gramma knew those things quietly when she pulled the lever for him). It’s not satisfying, but it’s just the plain truth here. We’re closer to getting over race than we are over sex.

    Plenty of deliberate work has been done, mostly by republicans, to keep America stupid, poor and in untreated pain, yes… But we’re also just trash on the whole. We raise trash and we vote for trash. We just aren’t smarter than social algorithms, TV soap opera narratives, costumes and makeup. “The pretend business man is white, old, wears a tie and has a gold watch. He feels like how daddy felt when I was little, and when things are bad, daddy fixed them the way I remember it.”

    Video game trolls, people who failed the cop application physical and triple DUI wine moms are America. No further explanation or analysis needed.

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        “Imagined” is perhaps the right word considering he wanted to raise taxes for low income people, and lower taxes for rich people.

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          Oh yeah. But it’s people’s perceptions that everyone is hunting for anyways. It’s fake love for the working class in the way the rich love their butler but will replace him if he ever gets sick.

          But that perception and the story of the party is super important and how to win elections. The Democrats haven’t been chasing that identity and let it slip while trying to figure out who should be the candidate that cost the least amount of money for its donors.

          It’s not impossible to see how the perceptions got to where they are.

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            Oh yeah. But it’s people’s perceptions that everyone is hunting for anyways. It’s fake love for the working class in the way the rich love their butler but will replace him if he ever gets sick.

            But that perception and the story of the party is super important and how to win elections. The Democrats haven’t been chasing that identity and let it slip while trying to figure out who should be the candidate that cost the least amount of money for its donors.

            Why does the love of the working class have to be fake?!?!?!?

            Holy fucking hell, democrats have lost their mind.

    • NoneOfUrBusiness
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      Setting aside whether she would’ve won had she been a white man, she could’ve made up for that handicap by appealing to the right people if she had actually been trying to win. Pinning it completely on her race and sex simply ignores her absolute failure of a campaign.

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      Slowly but surely I’m coming to terms with our modern reality

    • @Crampon@lemmy.world
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      Dems had the house for 12 years the past 16. Nothing really changed.

      People have claimed Harris wasn’t capable of leading. They got their undeserved confirmation when she turned out to be a no show for 14 hours yesterday.

      You construct a Strawman. If the Dems pulled a capable and charismatic woman out of the top hat she would be able to win.

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        “People have been saying…” - oh fuck you, dude.

        First sentence is just beyond stupid. Ignores so many nuanced changes, recovery of the economy from COVID not the least of it and just oblivious to the overall balance of power along the way with an unreasonable, obstructionist gop opposing progress at every turn, even to spite themselves on things like the border bill and the infrastructure bill more recently.

        “Enough” is never done, but that’s a problem with overall politics, mixed with subjective perception. But your ignorant oversimplification here just has no place in a conversation among adults. Maybe go play with the dirt outside or go point at the pictures in that puffy book you love about firetrucks while you shit yourself?

        Your statement is just hollow. It’s defiantly ignorant, smug, selfish, cowardly and just overall, you seem to (without further qualification) fucking suck. To have failed you this poorly, can also confidently assume that your family is just generations of disappointment in front of and behind you. You’re useless lumps, impotently screaming at the sun… At least that’s what “People have been saying…”

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        People handed the election on a silver platter to a guy who refused to concede in 2020, and shills are on here saying that Harris is incapable of leading because she took a while to concede?

        And I bet those same people complain that Gore conceeded too soon in 2000.

        What’s this about the Dems having control of the house? Another person that needs a civics lesson? It’s like the cultists saying that “Kamala had 4 years to fix these problems” because they don’t know how our government works.

        The Dems have had control of the government for exactly 2 years since 1980. I don’t understand how anyone can blame the Dems for the state our country is in.

        The silver lining in all this is that now that Republicans have complete control, it will be impossible for shills and cultists to blame the Dems.

    • Obama was a unique situation in that he was both an incredibly charismatic JFK-style figure and ran after the Republicans had managed to both start a very unpopular war and destroy the world economy.

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        Barack Obama also never released a campaign ad that said “Hey white dudes, we only think some of you suck.”

        • ObliviousEnlightenment
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          Don’t like those ads? Should’ve stopped proving them right. We will go to the grave blaming you and your ilk now

          • Captain Aggravated
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            Those nakedly misandrist ads were brought to my attention after I cast my ballot.

            I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life, but the Democrats will have to actually earn my vote if they ever run a candidate again, they may no longer expect me.

            Blame me as much as you want, you’re going to anyway. I’m the bad guy even when voting your way so what’sthe point? Those who cannot bring themselves to speak to me with respect to literally save their lives can die as mad as they want.

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              “Look what you made me do!” just dripping…

              Maybe work on having some established personal principles and some backbone? Maybe less wielding your vote as a little golden cudgel over people’s heads? Why the fuck does your vote for a complex full administration of people including court appointees that will serve long terms as they all pursue at least four years worth of basic, roll up the sleeves and work day to day policy, all hinge on one targeted ad that hurts your feefees?

              And studies have shown that people who casually drop the word “misandrist” have videos from matt walsh and nick fuentes in their YouTube watch history arguing that the age of consent is too high.

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                See what I mean?

                I’m going to get screamed at like I’m the bad guy ANYWAY. There is no winning to be done here. I’m not voting for a party that is pro woman ever again. I’m done voting against my own interests for people who hate me. It’s all I’ve done my entire adult life. No more.

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                  “I’m done voting against my own interests” [votes republican]

                  Showing your ass there, bud.

                  And you haven’t had an “entire adult life”. Judging by the way you speak, you’re either a 14 year old boy or you’re not even in America.

                  “I was totally gonna not be a piece of shit, too. You blew it everyone! You could have had ME on your side.”

        • 4grams
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          this is why she lost, morons complaining about themselves. who fucking cares, that ad was not targetted at you, and if it was, grow some thicker fucking skin rather than voting for a fascist. I don’t give a shit if the dems personally put me on a pedastal and said I was alone to blame for the US problems; I have a functional brain and can see what the actual problems are and who has actual solutions, or at least not exclusively ways to enrich himself and get revenge.

          middle aged white dudes are the problem, I’m one of them. this morning, I was nearly assulted and arrested due to a roadrage incident. a dude in a pickup nearly sideswiped me at an intersection, I had to swerve to avoid him. At the light, he rolled down the window and started yelling at me. I rolled down mine because I honestly thought he was going to apologise but instead he started screaming insults at me because “you couldn’t let me have that one car length!!!”. I told him that after the shit this country just endured, this was how we wanted to handle things?

          This was apparently the wrong answer because he jumped out of his car and started coming at me. I am not interested in a road rage altercation so I floored it and ran the red light. I would up cutting off a cop who saw the whole thing and let me go because I did the right thing.

          this was my first interaction with a person since the election. I sincerly hope this was just tensions running high, but I can’t help but feel this nation just gave that sort of problem solving it’s full throated support.

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            2024 was the last time I’ll ever vote for a Democrat, especially given how I’m being spoken to for doing it.

            I’m done voting for the side that calls me their enemy no matter what I do. I’m done going out of my way for people who hate me. I’m done doing “the right thing” for people who are offended at the idea of expressing gratitude. It’s been this way my entire adult life and I’ve got a belly full.

            “Hey, you’re going to need the support of white men to win this election, so you should probably address their concerns in good faith here.” Nope. That wasn’t acceptable to the Left. The people who said that got shouted down. A couple ads like the one linked below plus others got made that were very obviously designed to conform to feminist attitudes toward men first and demand of men second. They did indeed recognize that they needed my vote, but weren’t willing to try seeing eye to eye with me at all. Saving the nation from fascism and preserving their own rights, freedoms and lives in the process wasn’t a good enough reason to speak to people like me with respect. And now they can burn for it. And they’re going to blame me for it, just like they’ve blamed me for everything their entire lives.

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              what a fucking snowflake.

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                  you sound just like the motherfucker who tried to jump me this AM.

                  speak to people like me with respect. And now they can burn for it

              • @M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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                Cool, lets fight authoritarianism by only letting people vote and be part of one party. That will sure to work out, not like this concept failed not 2 days ago or anything…

                • 4grams
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                  huh?

                  where in anything I ever said did I even mention one party or anything? This is because reactionary idiots don’t do research and/or don’t care enough about others when their special little feels get squishy… boo hoo…

                  I’m not a democrat, I very nearly didn’t vote because I couldn’t get behind either candidate but in the end it was a VERY easy choice given the realities of the situation. we now have a man, who is publically traded on the stock market, who praises dictators and authoritarians, who’s sworn revenge on political enemies, who’s plans are to deport millions, free a bunch of his violent supporters, destroy the economy with the dumbest economic plan in history because of this shitshow of an election. you could see it, I could see it, it was all there and obvious and you chucklefucks are sitting here complaining about your feels.

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      I remember hearing many democrats that joked how they voted for the white side of Obama. It wasn’t funny and isn’t funny now. They are not only voting against a woman but one of color.

      We are going let christian fascism take control of America because a large portion of our population is sexiest, and racist. Not to mention all those protest votes or fucker who sat on their couch rather than do the right thing.

      Now we are all fucked.

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      Totally agree. After all the progress the US is still not ready to accept anyone else than white men at the top.

      • @PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee
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        You people are about to overdose on copium. This is a lazy view. “she lost because of race and sex”. You need to really ask people why she couldn’t secure their vote.

        • @NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
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          The “Run Up” podcast had an episode following the Working Families Party while they were out knocking on doors for Harris in a poor projects type neighborhood. The first lady they talk to is hesitant to vote for Harris because she’s a prosecutor who jailed black men for weed. While they are talking and the canvasser is trying to convince her, her neighbor jumps in and he says something to the effect of “Harris is a woman and world leaders won’t respect her and get us in a lot of trouble”.

          Is sexism/racism the reason Harris lost? No, I personally at this point think it has more to do with the Democratic party’s inability to offer solutions for working families - Dems are the center right party representing corporate interests and the elite while paying lip service to actual regular people, MAGA is viewed as the party of the common man, as bullshit as that is it’s what voters feel. I personally think the only way forward is an actual progressive platform which addresses fundamental economic unfairness in the system, and candidates who can connect to and explain that platform to regular folk of all races and demographics.

          But you can’t deny that sexism/racism didn’t play a significant role in the loss.

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            Hearing a sexist comment once is not evidence of wide spread sexism. You’re allowing your personal views to color your objective view. Show me dozens of videos of someone saying they won’t vote for Harris because of her sex or race and I might think otherwise. Isolated incidents don’t mean much.

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          I used to respond to people like you carefully and in some depth, with the hope that others who needed the words could read mine and feel indirectly supported.

          I’m not doing that today. My original statement stands, your statement is the way you are personally trying to accept the guilt, shame or disappointment in this reality, I’ll leave it at that.

          • @PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee
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            “my view is right because it’s mine. Yours is wrong because it’s not mine”

            No guilt, disappointment, or shame in my game. My life is pretty great.

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                Yes, it says I’m a normal person living a normal life and I don’t live my life perpetually online and have not become a radical. Cheers mate.

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      I get more the sense that people don’t care about her so much - or him either for that matter - so much as how things in general just “feel wrong”. I’m no expert but the news media having been bought out seems a likely culprit. Jon Stewart tried to warn us but we would not listen. He did his part, but if people don’t value things, they tend to fall - or in this case be taken - apart.

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      Should have stuck with the British Monarchy, powerless as it comes. A woman as head of state for 70 years and even better, no elections for any president during any of time.

    • @phdepressed@sh.itjust.works
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      While this is a large part of it, a significant thing I think is that you get a lot more enthusiasm voting for something than against something. If she was campaigning for things I didn’t hear it above the constant “orange shit is an orange shit”.

      A number of terrorist bomb threats to predominantly democratic polling locations in swing states and other fuckery may have also played a role.

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            Cool, were im the minority, and if libs and progressives cant learn to swallow down each others candidates, the american left in general is cooked

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              False choice dilemma.

              Democrats need to swallow their pride and arrogance and admit to themselves that they shouldn’t be going solo against the republicans.

              Do away with First Past The Post voting in blue states and let more players onto the field. This fight is bigger then the democratic party.

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                Well start figuring out how to get it as a ballot measure in your state now then do what’s left of our democracy a favor, swallow your pettiness and vote for the lesser evil until you get RCV in your area.

                Greens and other parties are only doing favors for the facists as things stand right now.

    • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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      Plain and simple… She was a woman, and a black person

      She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

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        What does “doing better” mean to you in this day and age in that context? Polls are no longer a viable tool. They are captured, manipulated and heavily biased. They ask misleading questions and ask them of non-representative populations.

        Very big difference between “doing better” in “the race” and casting your vote on election day. Again, gramma in Pennsylvania didn’t think Kamala was doing better, or really she didn’t care what she was doing, because there was just one “key issue” that gramma would never get onboard with for Kamala… Gramma didn’t talk about that issue during “the race”, but she was thinking about it when she pulled the lever.

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        She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

        Was she really though? She couldnt identify a single thing she’d do differently than Biden, who has a truly remarkable and historic level of low approval.

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          She had excitement and energy, then said she’d do nothing different than Biden. Lost a lot of energy. Got Time Waltz, more energy, and then the party told him “stop calling Vance weird” and we lost more energy.

          She had a better shot at talking trump, she just loved to shoot herself in the foot.

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      I voted for Harris walz, but I think a lot of this is the fault of Biden for trying to run for reelection and sticking it out until July. I live in the south and I think the lack of a primary reallly hurt the ticket because a sizable portion of the people I’ve talked to felt like she was appointed instead of being elected, which is a bad move when public trust in our institutions is already at an all time low.

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        Institutional democrats who thought they knew what they were doing and could ignore the base of the party is to blame. Biden being top of the list. Stubborn self assured who when finally pushed to change was only willing to do it on his terms. And made a decision for everyone, again.

        One of the big stories is a Democratic party Mayor of a super Blue city being corrupt and organizing police to defend him and yet not a single member of the party has spoken out against it. Endorsed by Hakeem Jeffries.

        Status quo is far more important than listening to their base right now and hopefully it changes instead of them once again thinking they need to head further right.

        And for the love all things holy I hope the Democrats learn to stop “gaming” the election with specific counties in “blue walls” because they did advanced math that told them it was all they needed. Bare minimum should never have been the goal.

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        The people you talked to are bigoted cowards that wouldn’t have been swayed by any of that shit - She has a vagina and she’s black - That’s all it was ever going to be.

        You’re hearing the thing they hope their neighbor would think of them after the fact, " I was this close, Bill… I just wanted more policy detail… More time… If only they didn’t make me vote for trump".

        Your neighbor fucking sucks, Bill - this is the time you pause, take a breath, and fully internalize that to inform your future interactions.

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          Shit dude, I’m far left, believed that the only way to protect democracy was to vote for Harris, and then did it, but even I felt like she was appointed. Nobody wanted her as a first choice but we were forced to accept her when she succeeded Biden. She got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020. That isn’t only because she’s a black woman. It certainly plays a part, but we can’t act like it wasn’t just general voter malaise that led to this outcome.

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            It’s not “just” the fact that she has a vagina, its that that was always going to be the deciding factor. There’s nuance in understanding the distinction there.

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              So your argument is that she got 14 million less votes than Joe specifically because she’s a woman? Because I struggle to see how it could be the “deciding factor” otherwise.

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                Yes. That is their argument. Because most men of alll races, and even most white women favored him. He got less votes than 2020, and won the popular, got a trifecta.

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                I agree, it’s an oversimplification. The Democratic party has become the party of ‘going back to business as usual’ and refuses to lower it’s commitment to the corporations that fund it. Trump won 2016 because he was a genuine establishment shaker.

                Leftists need a rouge candidate who refuses to bow. Someone who shows promise of CHANGE and not business as usual.

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                  Leftists need a rouge candidate who refuses to bow. Someone who shows promise of CHANGE and not business as usual.

                  Democrats have proven that they will sue to strip such a person from the ballot. How can they claim to defend democracy while hiding behind First-past-the-post voting?

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            None of it should factor. At all.

            The distinction between the candidates was clear enough:

            1. I will lower your taxes (for billionaires), I don’t like immigrants, and I will say all the stuff you think and the lefties made it bad to say. Also if I don’t win I’m going to jail because, for enough money I will do whatever you want (for Russia, Elon, or anyone else).

            2. I am an actual qualified candidate.

            There was no choice. It was taxes and fear and tribalism with a special sprinkle of election interference attempts around the horn.

            She was appointed? So what? Elect her because she’s a better choice, then fix that problem.

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              She was appointed? So what? Elect her because she’s a better choice, then fix that problem.

              I think the issue (well one of many) with this line of thinking is that as she was appointed, even if elected she would not have been fairly elected. An issue with the Dems for many years now. People vote against things more then for them and the USA voted for trump over Harris. That nothing seems to have been learned other then “she should have won” or “maybe if we go farther right it will work this time” is a real mindfuck.

              The Dems could “fix” that problem (since it is a party problem) but they don’t, ever. This is as much a failing of the Democratic party as the failure of American democracy collapsing into a two party system.

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        This is all excuses. The fact that Trump made it all the way as the primary candidate for the GOP means that Republicans were okay with what he said and what he did.

        For a normal person, it shouldn’t even take a second to choose Harris. But this isn’t the case. Trump won the popular vote and the presidency despite all the crazy shit because a sizeable part of the citizens voted him in regardless of the reason.

        And not only that, but Republicans won the senate and well on their way to win the house.

        It is about to get real bad, and Americans have themselves to blame for that.

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      Bingo. The party of stupid, obstinant assholes was elected by the stupid, obstinant asshole electorate.

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    There’s a lot to be hopeful for! We got a superstar candidate for the dems for years to come, we can at least be proud of that

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    I can’t tell you how much faith I’ve lost in the average person in America, especially compared to how… ok, I guess, the last election went and how tight, or possibly over this one is.

    I can’t fathom how fucking stupid anyone would have to be to elect this orange piece of shit that has been upping the dangerous rhetoric constantly. America is broken and it isn’t worth fixing, especially not for the morons that somehow get him elected again. I just hope that I can get to a point in my career that I can move elsewhere, maybe Ireland or New Zealand or something, fuck.

    • For real. The rest of the world needs to get their shit together and cripple the US. Cease all trades immediately, end all alliances with the US. The US has the largest military in the world, and now the facists have the reins entirely. They have the oval office, the have the house, they have the Senate and they have the supreme court. The entire world is going to suffer because of this election.

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        US politics have gone to dangerous direction for decades. Orange freak is only a symptom. US is gonna become Russia level cleptocracy and when climate crysis hits fully, world will be more separated and chaotic than ever.

        • Yeah, this recent election shows how far gone my country really is. But unfortunately it’s also the golden opportunity facists have been working towards for a long time.

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        God you blue conservatives are ridiculous.

        You’d rather support the death of America over doing away with the two party system.

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          Go ahead and wait for the U.S. to implement a viable system. I’d bet it’ll be longer than our lifetimes before that even happens. And that’s ignoring what is probably the desire of keeping the status duo of a broken two party system like this.

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          Cool story, bro. How do you propose to do that? You got a magic wand? How many of those ballot initiatives failed this time around?

        • Bud id fucking love to get rid of the two party system. Personally I’ve been talking about it for fucking years. but that’s not gonna fucking happen.

          Go fuck yourself with this blue conservative bullshit.

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        There may not be any need for that.

        The United States, China, etc. all have trade policies that are fundamentally unsustainable and result in persistent trade imbalances.

        This causes all sorts of poor economic outcomes for large sectors of those countries. For example, an anaemic household sector in China and over investments in housing, huge private and public sector deficits in the United States, etc.

        In the free market world of Adam Smith and comparative advantage, persistent trade imbalances should not exist.

        Over the medium to long term, imports are meant to pay for exports.

        If there are persistent trade imbalances, it means there is persistent under consumption (China) or over consumption (United States).

        Note: This is not just limited to these countries.

        At some point, there is going to be an economic crisis because it can’t continue forever.

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    I think the next Lemmy Shitpost on this should be something on US Republicrazy due to the direction this election went.

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    On the bright side, at least we’ll finally be rid of the motherfucker on Inauguration Day 2029, assuming he doesn’t keel over from oldasfuckitis before then.

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      You think if he still alive and president that he will step down then? Nope one he will have charges dropped against him. Then he will use four years shapping this country into is imagine. By time he done this country will be so fucked there will be no fixing it. And war against climate change is over.

      And if Democrats do happen to run again they will move futher to the right.

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        It will all be about the judges. The last time he was in office, there were more judges appointed than ever before. This time, we will see even more, and at that point, there is no stopping any ridiculous changes that will inevitably be set forth by them to change everything. This will secure everything they want for decades to come. It was hard to see how it would be managed even with democrats winning, but now I can’t see ever bouncing back from this within my lifetime.

        • @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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          It is about the judges. That’s the invisible damage that has been there. The judges that have stalled court cases on bathroom bills, the judges who don’t enforce industry regulations, down the the arbitrator who gave everything to my husband because I’m a trans man.

  • @ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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    Also say goodbye to internet freedom of speech, if even a small portion of Project 2025 comes into play. Anti-pornography activism sounds nice on paper, until you realize everyone has a different definition of pornography, and the people that want to ban porn the most have a rather interesting take on what constitutes as porn and what doesn’t…

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    US is system is so bad. The constant pandering to “founding fathers” as if it’s even possible to have strong enough vision that it would last 200+ years and refusal to innovate past the ridiculous two party system is just sad tbh.

    Yet nothing will change because you can’t change these things without a revolution apparently.

  • @Bumblefumble@lemm.ee
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    Not that I’m advocating for it, but it’s completely legal for Biden to order the assassination of Trump and Vance. So yeah, US democracy is dead.

    I hope the American people will resist any draconian measures there are bound to be, whether with civil unrest or other forms of protest.

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      resist any draconian measures

      Really bro.

      I bet you wore a mask and took a dozen jabs during that pandemic and like being a sheep.

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      You’re making this statement while standing over a dead body. Need to pause for a moment and smell the flesh starting to turn right beneath you. This is that moment. There was never going to be a letter embossed with a seal sent to you to announce it. America is dead, our neighbors quietly suffocated it with a pillow. And today is the next day. The changes will be quieter, more subtle at first, but longer reaching, more impactful and longer lasting.

      trump wasn’t elected, a train, driven by hate and fear, overflowing with explosives that’s been fixed on everything you think you know about America was elected. The holocaust branded with trump’s name will be quieter, I imagine it will take longer, but it will probably collectively kill more.

      America is the name of a country that used to attempt to maintain democracy. It’s the country the failed that mission in 2024. Anything you hear otherwise is self soothing. You’re entitled to it though, we all are, because hope is dead and that’s what used to bring us back to earth in difficult moments.

      People are not basically good. People don’t “come to their senses” and we’re all just so fixing tired while they are all just in so much fucking adderall.

      • musk will be in charge of the National Highway transportation safety board

      • rfk jr will oversee vaccine production/distribution

      • abbott will lead formation of the National laws on abortion and miscarriage

      • joe rogan will be the named author on a new fairness doctrine (that won’t actually be)

      • tim scott and lindsey graham will co-chair the committee on reforming LGBTQIA+ rights

      • steve bannon will be on every month’s cover of normal skin magazine

      • that church guy and trump’s close buddy that just got in trouble for abusing kids will be in charge of repealing the sex offender registry

      • mike johnson’s son will be in charge of porn

      • betsy devos will come back to finish devastating the DOE as public education is killed in favor of vouchers to religious schools

      • and brawndo will be what plants crave.

      Maybe those of you that stayed home will actually read protect 2025 now. It’s all going to happen.

      • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        America is dead

        You’re thirty years to late to write The End of History. Fukuyama wasn’t right about it then, either.

        Maybe those of you that stayed home

        Speak for yourself. She only lost because you didn’t vote hard enough.

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        The holocaust branded with trump’s name

        Uh, no thats not true at all. Harris Biden and the DNC are 100% oboard with the genocide too. Are we collectively pretending thats not true anymore, so that we dont have to learn any lessons from it?

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            Sure, Bud.

            We are all a bit stunned, but we have 4 years to think about what happened and why. Lets not just jump to an easy conclusion on hour 1 day 1.

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              It’s not an easy conclusion - what’s easy is for you to glance past the reality in my statement and to ignore the implication that, yes, It is a part of a greater set of causes, but I was stating that it was the deciding factor that ultimately decided this on day one when she announced.

              Calm down, listen, think, respond.

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                Calm down? Was my saying we now have 4 years to ponder this deeply something that sounded rushed to you? Time to avail myself of that handy “block user” button.

  • @Nurgus@lemmy.world
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    You guys should have listened to Thomas Paine, the only founding father with a clue and a set of principles.

    Topical.

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        • political institutions should promotoe individual rights and social equality
        • critqued organized religion
        • the government should serve the people
        • wrote the famous line “These are the times that try men’s souls” during civil war
        • people have the inherit right to reform and/or dismantle oppresive goverments
        • all individuals possess inalienable rights (human rights basically)

        That’s what I gather from his wiki and some chatgpt queries. Never heard of him before (not an american) but honestly — I’m a big fan now.

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          Sounds nice enough, but not really like an outsider position among the Founding Fathers. OP seemed to be saying that Paine differed substantially from the others in some way, which I would be interested to learn about (not American either, I only have cursory knowledge of the Founding Fathers).

          • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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            Paine was far more radical than the rest of them, and wrote scathing critiques of them that caused him to become extremely unpopular before he died.

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      The majority voted for the candidate I don’t like. That means democracy is broken.

      Trump said the exact same thing in 2020 and was rightly condemned for it. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Get used to it.

      • @greencactus@lemmy.world
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        Congrats for getting the most downvotes on Lemmy I’ve ever seen. Which you absolutely deserve by the way, in my opinion.

      • JaggedRobotPubes
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        This is either bad faith or supreme levels of stupidity.

        Probably supreme levels of stupidity, caused by bad faith. Most people don’t get this dumb without a little elbow grease.

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          Sorry. Can’t upvote your post coz its on 66 and this really does give “execute order 66” vibes

        • @Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
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          Threatening to use the armed forces against your political opponents is generally considered not a great sign for a democracy as well.

        • @volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
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          If only we had any historical examples from, say, the past century, showing that the way to stop fascism is NOT by voting the socialdemocrats/liberals into power…

      • Lemminary
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        And yet not everyone votes or even has a chance to vote in this democracy. And don’t get me started on the college of representarives. Seems pretty broken to me.

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        The majority voted for the candidate I don’t like. That means democracy is broken.

        Don’t worry, the US democracy was already broken. That became painfully clear when Trump started whining about not winning the popular vote when he was elected the first time. Being able to lose while having the support of the majority of voters is proof enough:

        Hillary: 65,853,625 votes

        Trump: 62,985,106 votes

        Not every vote has the same weight, which is just completely bonkers and proof that your archaic system is due for a retrofit. Let’s just hope it won’t get chucked away entirely in the coming years.

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          FYI, Trump DID also win the popular vote this year. Perhaps it’s time to retire this argument.

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            Why? Trump won fair (proverbial at least, I don’t think all the misinformation that has been spewed on X counts as ‘fair’) and square this year, but that doesn’t mean your system isn’t flawed. Votes from certain states still carry less weight due to improperly distributed electors. Same happened with Gore vs Bush by the way.

            • MacN'Cheezus
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              What part of “he won the popular vote” did you not understand? Across all states, more people voted for him than for Harris. Even if there was no electoral college, he would still be president.

              Unless you’re arguing that electoral college votes should be redistributed in a way that ensures the winner will always be a Democrat…

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                Across all states, more people voted for him than for Harris.

                I never said otherwise.

                Unless you’re arguing that electoral college votes should be redistributed in a way that ensures the winner will always be a Democrat…

                No, I’m saying that your system needs to be fixed so every vote has the same weight, that’s all. The fact that the term ‘popular vote’ exists at all is the flaw. Who won this year is irrelevant to the argument.

      • macniel
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        Yes democracy will be broken since Orangeman promised that this will be the last election you will ever need to vote in. Congrats.

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        I think us non-USians are alluding to the clusterfuck of only having an either/or choice. That’s not how democracy works in most democratic places. There’s only ever two runners and riders that stand any real chance of winning over there. Most people would call that a fixed race.

        • MacN'Cheezus
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          While there technically might be more choices available in other places (for instance, in Germany there’s usually at least 2-3 smaller parties that have a legitimate chance to make it into the Bundestag), de facto it still boils down to the two major parties (conservatives and social democrats) duking it out amongst themselves, and voting 3rd party is merely a matter of choosing who their junior partner will be. It might help sway the resulting coalition’s direction on some minor issues but the overall direction is still very much decided by the 500 lbs gorilla.

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            Someone downvoted you for spitting facts? Interesting. The two US parties are both right of centre, which gives an immediate imbalance. Small parties can have some bearing on their senior partners policies, like you say. I’m assuming Germany has local elections, mayoral elections etc. surely some of the smaller, more niche parties, pick up seats in those if they happen. Trends identified by smaller parties will get picked up by bigger parties, so they serve their worth there, too.

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              Results of the last German Federal election:

              It’s really not 2 major parties and their junior partners anymore.

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                  Unfortunately, the day after Trump was elected, coalition talks between the non-nazi parties in Saxony, a German state, failed. Which means there is no likely way to build a government coalition without a re-election or admittting the far right party in that state now.
                  And the day after that, the center-left federal government coalition broke apart, leaving it without a majority, which will trigger an early federal election next year.
                  And with current sentiments, the result of that election will likely pose the exact same problem Saxony now has, but for all of Germany.

  • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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    I hope our future dictators are handsome or beautiful and that they come with nice body parts, so when we have to suck their dicks, we can at least enjoy it.

      • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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        Here’s my pound of gold 🥇 Mr Trump. Are you fucking me? How come I can’t feal anything yet? Oh well fine, it’s not a problem. …Anywhere you’d like Mr president, I’ll clean it off. Oh yes, the migrants are all bad. All of them. Oh yes, the enemy within! Terrible things. More licking? Ofcourse Mr president!