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I voted for Kamala. My parents and grandparents did as well. I do not feel that the democrats were/are doing jack shit to court new voters. The party itself expects to just be the status quo and have people vote for it. Whether people want to admit it or not, the point of being a progressive party is to be… how do I put this… PROGRESSIVE.
Oh yeah, make no mistake, the Dems are fucked.
It’s just that in '24 we had an option between “continue having a flawed democracy” and “put a literal fascist in power”, and a lot of us are still sore over folks who insisted that choosing the latter was some form of leftism. They weren’t a major force in the general electorate, but here on Lemmy, they were certainly loud, so a lot of bad feeling remains.
You clearly don’t understand leftist thought. Voting for a cop, a warmonger and a complicit child-kidnapper is incompatible with many leftists’ beliefs and values. Continued aversion to actually listening to criticisms of the Dems and DNC from the left is why your beloved party is crashing and burning.
You clearly don’t understand leftist thought.
No, I absolutely do. They preferred the fascist to working with the dreaded ‘shitlibs’, just like Thalmann.
Nazi punks fuck off.
Call me a Nazi all you like, it doesn’t make me a Nazi. In fact, you moralists should take that log out of your eye and actually look at the world your status-quoism has generated
Call me a Nazi all you like, it doesn’t make me a Nazi.
No? You just welcomed in fascism because it pleased your prejudices and preconceptions. Sounds pretty indistinguishable from most Nazis to me.
In fact, you moralists should take that log out of your eye and actually look at the world your status-quoism has generated
“Wow, the world is bad. We should make it worse.”
Brilliant plan. Millions of LGBT Americans and tens of millions of Ukrainians thank you for your ardent support of fascists taking power. I’m sure those dying for lack of supplies from USAID are thrilled as well, as well as poor Americans who can’t afford the massive increases in costs of living and are already living paycheck-to-paycheck, and the crackdown on unions.
What a brave leftist world you’ve helped create. Maybe if you lick fascist boots a little more, it’ll become even better.
I also find it amusing that I’m getting called a ‘moralist’ because I advocated the utilitarian option. What fucking insanity.
Millions of LGBT Americans
You’re talking to one, and no, the Democrats have backstabbed us at every opportunity. Especially at trans issues, which they love to capitulate on as a bargaining chip for getting their capitalist donors more money.
Maybe if you lick fascist boots a little more, it’ll become even better.
If you walk outside and throw a brick in the face of a cop, you can talk to me about what it means to be a bootlicker.
I also find it amusing that I’m getting called a ‘moralist’ because I advocated the utilitarian option.
You advocate for action based upon a spook? Sorry, that makes you a moralist. You decided that “maximizing utility” was the moral choice, and that again makes you a moralist. Perhaps you should write a sternly worded lever-pulling manifesto to send to your congressman?
You’re talking to one, and no, the Democrats have backstabbed us at every opportunity. Especially at trans issues, which they love to capitulate on as a bargaining chip for getting their capitalist donors more money.
Would you like to remind me about the state of LGBT rights in this country in 2024 compared to 1990?
Soaking in fascist circles seems to sap your connection to reality.
If you walk outside and throw a brick in the face of a cop, you can talk to me about what it means to be a bootlicker.
lmao, you ushered in fascism, bro, and you’re sitting here justifying it besides. Saying “You aren’t attacking enough cops!” to others isn’t going to cure you of your bootlicking position.
You advocate for action based upon a spook?
Jesus fucking Christ.
Sorry, that makes you a moralist. You decided that “maximizing utility” was the moral choice, and that again makes you a moralist.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
Hey, cool, you have ADHD too? We can go to RFK’s concentration camps together. I’m sure our Healing Through Labor™ will be successful.
Ooooh! Count me in as a qualifying candidate. I’ll drop my Vyvanse off in the bins outside the gates and partake in the Healing Through Labor™ right beside you, my Brother In- wait… what was I just saying?
Can’t believe our only hope for mitigation of the damage is that the administration is so incompetent that they trick over their own dicks in the process of trying all of their horrors.
It’s not going to be pretty either way.
You clearly don’t understand leftist thought. Voting for a cop, a warmonger and a complicit child-kidnapper is incompatible with many leftists’ beliefs and values.
“But she said she wasn’t Trump so she’s clearly the only person to ever consider voting for!”
The only argument for voting trump while thinking “left” that I can think of, is that all that anger and chaos leads to a big reform of the political landscape where there is a way for a more social system in the end
But I’d consider that an extremely risky move…
That’s literally the accelerationist/anti-electoralist religious doctrine. And I say “religious doctrine” because they keep insisting that people will rise up if they assist in the sacrifice of enough LGBTQ+, POC, and other vulnerable people, despite there being absolutely no evidence in history of that ever occurring, even under brutal totalitarian dynasties that lasted hundreds of years.
They don’t care about the sacrifices. They may say they do but you really can’t if you advocate for accelerationism.
But I’d consider that an extremely risky move…
So we all get to discover in real time!
True that 😂
Very, very well put. I voted for Kamala as well, and this is what I’m trying to scream from the rooftops. The democrats seem to see the current populist moment as an excuse to phone it in. It keeps blowing up in the face, and they keep saying “oh well, I guess we need to move right / let the voters learn their lesson”
That’s literally the program which benefits their donors.
The democrats are a liberal party which is why they got almost 49% of the vote instead of under 1%.
the point of being a progressive party is to be… how do I put this… PROGRESSIVE.
Their policies are progressive. They have a voting history proving they vote progressively. Joe Biden was an EXTREMELY progressive president.
Yeah, the Dems should advertise better. But Americans should also not be braindead stupid assholes and do some goddamn homework.
We had two options. A fascist regime or something 1 trillion times better. We shit the bed and went with fascism. That’s not the Democrat’s fault. That’s dipshit American’s fault.
Yeah their policies are so progressive that the dick Chaney family endorsed them. Biden was so progressive that as soon as the supreme court repealed Roe v. Wade, he made an EO to protect the rights of women. Oh and of course how can we forget that he made college and vocational schooling free for everyone, and secured the rights of trans Americans to literally just fucking exist.
oh wait. no wait he didn’t do any of that. in fact I think he might’ve just held up the status quo of the time.
Yeah their policies are so progressive that the dick Chaney family endorsed them.
Yeah, I’m sure it had nothing to do with Liz Cheney being outed by the Republican party for showing opposition to their cult leader. I’m also sure it had nothing to do with the Cheney family recognizing their party had been taken over by said cult leader and his cult and being pretty upset about the threat that poses the country. I’m sure the Cheney family only endorsed Democrats because they genuinely believe in progressive policies. Lol.
Biden was so progressive that as soon as the supreme court repealed Roe v. Wade, he made an EO to protect the rights of women.
HE LITERALLY DID. Trump undid them as soon as he became president because LEGISLATING VIA EO’S IS FUCKING STUPID. The only way to make something stick is via legislating through Congress, and that requires A LOT more sway than Biden and Democrats had in this divisive ass country.
Oh and of course how can we forget that he made college and vocational schooling free for everyone
Nope, but he forgave student loans for a shit ton of people despite Republican AND Supreme Court obstruction at every turn.
You need to understand that YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. You clearly have ZERO clue what you’re talking about, and yet here you are, spreading misinformation on the internet. And, judging by your upvotes, people are taking your misinformation at face value, thus perpetuating the spread of misinformation, leading us to where we are now.
Do your homework before you post, or don’t post.
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Dems didn’t need new voters. They just needed the same folks that voted for Biden in 2020 to show up in 2024.
Too bad they were too racist and sexist to vote for a black woman.
Lot of those people who voted in 2020 weren’t Democratic voters. They voted for the Democrats that one time and then the Democrats failed to retain them. That’s on the Democrats. I don’t know how many times people can say it. It’s a candidate and the party’s job to earn people’s votes. Earn them. There is literally no other way to do it. Democrats refuse to do that that’s why they lose.
Here I thought that 4 years of competent leadership, a booming economy, and some significant legislative victories would earn votes.
Silly me. Clearly the voting populous wanted extreme leftist policies. Explains why Trump won.
What world are you living in where you think the economy of the last 4 years has been booming? Every indicator that isn’t the Dow Jones indicates that the economy has been absolutely fucked for the last 4 years.
The real one?
Where 6 million more people in the US were employed than before the pandemic.
Where inflation in the US was lower than that of peer western countries.
Where the number of people using food stamps decreased.
Where wages went up almost 20% over 4 years.
Where GDP grew by some 14% over 4 years.
Where the S&P 500 increase by 43% over 4 years.
By what reasonable metric would you consider the economy fucked?
Have you tried to actually find a job in the last 2 years? It’s almost impossible despite loads of “we’re hiring!” sighns that are offering less than they were 2 years ago
Most Americans do not care what inflation in the UK or Germany is. They care what it looks like here, and when most Americans were living paycheck to paycheck before Biden took over, inflation hits them even harder.
Maybe average income has gone up that much the last 4 years, but most people’s income has been essentially flat for the last 4. The majority of Americans make less than $30 an hour, which is inadequate to live on nearly anywhere in the country.
GDP is great if you have stocks and bonds. It’s meaningless to your average person who is barely able to put anything into a 401(k).
So your evidence that the economy was broken under Biden is your feelings.
Cool.
“I do not feel that the democrats were/are doing jack shit to court new voters.”
This sentence structure obfuscates your meaning.
they were not doing Anything and are still not doing Anything.
hope that clears it up
they were not doing Anything
Their voting history and Biden’s accomplishments disagree with that statement.
are still not doing Anything.
They do not control either house of Congress, the presidency, or the Supreme Court. Voters made sure of that.
Neither did the GOP during Obama’s presidency. They still managed to obstruct and block anything of value. Curious isn’t it.
What’s curious is your lack of understanding of how our government works.
You’re completely ignoring the fact that Republicans were able to obstruct because they gained House, and then Senate, majority during Obama’s terms. Democrats do not have majority in either chamber of Congress right now. So your comment is senseless.
Actually, I guess you’re not ignoring. You’re simply unaware, because you don’t know how things work. And yet you’re being upvoted by others who also don’t know how things work.
EDIT: 6 downvotes as of right now and not a single one of them had the balls or brains to counter what I said. In other words, 6 individuals ignorant of how our government works and completely fine with that. Holy fuck, we really need mandatory civics classes in our schools. So many people with no clue how things work. I guess that’s why a felon rapist traitor is our president.
They were able to water down the ACA into near uselessness without any majority. At the start it was a Republican vision of healthcare, and they still watered it down because brown man bad. I do understand that they gained power in the midterms which allowed them to do even more obstruction but to claim that Democrats could have just done ANYTHING they wanted because they had the 3 branches is patently false. And yet… Here we are. Dems are largely rolling over and letting the GOP run roughshod over the gov. Not utilizing the abomination of the filibuster for any good, still confirming cabinet members, still treating with traitor and conmen.
This is definitely a liberal take. I don’t agree with those who didn’t vote for Kamala, but removing responsibility from people running her campaign when there are obvious glaring issues such as retracting all populist messaging and appealing to non-existent right wingers voting against Trump was a real stinker to say the least. It’s okay to blame politicians who didn’t win for not winning.
God, this is the take I want to see. I’ll take criticism of my voting habits, but it should be proportional to my power. Democrats have more culpability.
proportional to my power
This is the thing that always kills me. My vote was 100% worthless. Completely performative, just throwing paper to the wind. My state was one of the few that actually went for Harris, my state governor is one of the few actually fighting against Trump, my city has so far done an excellent job fighting back against him, and none of the races were even really close. I’m sure there are many other people, in the other firm blue states just like mine, who couldn’t stomach voting for genocide when they know their vote is just a gesture.
Yep, I live in California. Local ballots are more important for my state than anything federal level, and I still voted for Harris.
I live in the worst part of California where its rural so Republicans win 60% of the vote, and state-wide Democrats win 60% of the vote. Props and city level are the only places I have a meaningful change, especially since my “city” has 5000 people.
So if I vote aginast the Republicans running for the House, my one vote didn’t change much there as the redneck hillbillies who think California is communist are a voting bloc that can’t be swayed, and they never need ot worry about re-election. I still vote for the Democrat, but last elections had two Republicans for the seat, one was backed by Trump, one was backed by Trump’s aids and cabinet officials.
You got a fascist elected. Hope your moral purity was worth it
I voted for Harris.
100%
Did the DNC’s strategy work? No? Then the Democrats were wrong.
It’s their job to convince voters to vote for them. And if they won’t take responsibility for failing at their job, then they’re on course to do the exact same thing in 2028 and get the exact same results.
It’s their job to convince voters to vote for them.
And it’s the voters DUTY to inform themselves responsibly and make the best choice for the welfare of their nation. American voters failed to do so.
We can’t do anything about that, wagging your finger at voters will not accomplish anything. But we CAN do something about the party itself, the candidate, and the campaign strategy.
Fixating on things we can’t change is a way to deflect from having actual productive conversations about things that we can change. It’s a way for the DNC to avoid taking responsibility.
We can’t do anything about that, wagging your finger at voters will not accomplish anything.
If we can’t do anything about American voters being complacent and lazy and not doing their civic duty responsibly, then we have, and will continue to have, way bigger problems than a party not being good at promoting themselves. And, oh look, we are.
We can’t just keep ignoring the source of our problem. People HAVE to get responsibly engaged in politics if we want out of this situation. Otherwise, even if Dems get better at messaging, we’ll just slingshot back to where we are now if they stop being good at it again.
Apparently it’s going to take a lot of pain and suffering for Americans to become more responsible voters. If it’s even possible at this point.
It is a candidate’s job to convince voters to vote for them. That is what campaigning is. Sitting here and wagging your finger, on the other hand, is not campaigning.
We cannot tie the entire US electorate down and force them to “be more responsible”. That is not a useful or productive way to look at the problem. If that is all you fixate on, you have no actionable solution out of it.
But what we can do is run better candidates with a better campaign, that will inspire voters to want to vote for them. That is how it works, that has always been how it works, and if we ignore that, we will lose in 2028.
The point I am making here is that we need to talk about things we can actually do something about, instead of shutting down the conversation by deflecting to things we cannot do anything about.
Your “we” here is weird to me.
Most of us aren’t party executives but most of us are voters, with friends and family who are voters.
What I say on lemmy is never read by the DNC, but is read by voters.
Claiming that I can’t do anything about what voters do whilst I can do something about the Democratic leadership is so very very inaccurate.
the way to compell voters is through education, livable wages, and a prosperous life. it is an inherent catch 22.
you cannot blame a victim of propaganda that they were propagandised. especially if they are a dumb fuck
The Democrats are made of people. If you believe people can’t change, we’re fucked anyway. Thankfully, I believe you’re wrong.
the DNC is made of lobby money full stop.
In other words, it’s the voter’s duty to perform a communist revolution. How well are you personally performing your duty, comrade?
Exactly. You know what I would like to see? I would like to see the Democratic Party act like parties due in many countries. The norm internationally is that if you are running a party, and that party loses catastrophically, that it is your moral responsibility to give up the reigns of that party. You had your chance. It didn’t work. There are plenty of people out there with good ideas. Your opinions will still be welcome. Or, for a corporate example, if you’re a CEO, and you crash the company’s stock, you’re usually going to lose your job.
Anyone in a top-20 leadership position of Democrats in 2024 should simply be done with running things. They can’t run as candidates. They can’t serve party leadership roles. They can’t serve on party committees. They can only participate as a regular party member.
That’s how the party should be run. One strike and you’re out. Let the strong survive. We want the party to be a god-damned thunderdome.
Did the DNC’s strategy work? No? Then the Democrats were wrong.
So you’re saying that no matter what happens, it’s never my fault. Yay!
(/s)
The voters faced a trolly problem. While Trump was busy tying more and more people to the track, the Democrats left a few on the track, and the voters decided that they couldn’t stomach the choice, so they sat it out. And now we get this.
The Democrats have blood on their hands, sure, but so does every person who didn’t vote yet bemoans the Trump presidency.
If you think the trolley problem has an obvious solution, you do not understand the trolley problem.
Non-contributing rage bait. The Democrats were wrong. The Democrats still are wrong. And the Democratic presidential candidate was infinitely better than her opposition.
Nuance motherfucker do you speak it.
Nuance motherfucker do you speak it.
“If they dislike my party, they must support the other party, nothing else exists, right?”
In a two party system, especially when there’s no clear “I don’t like either” option then yes, nothing else exists. When you don’t vote you’re not saying “I don’t like either party” you’re saying “I don’t care which party wins”. If you don’t care which party wins then you’re in support of both parties.
And it’s telling that so many people didn’t care whether the dictator or Democrats won, isn’t it? If you’re making the case between yourself and a megalomaniac, and the majority of Americans shrug and go about their day, what the hell are you doing wrong?
Yes but in discussing politics we are not relegated to the same limitations we have in voting. Thus there is no contradiction between voting down-ballot Democrat, then going home and tweeting “I hate Dick Cheney and the Democrats.”
OP makes a clownish commentary on this. If someone did not vote blue who probably should have, shame on them, but the Democrats are still wrong.
Yes, political discussions are not as limited in options as voting and there absolutely should be a political discussion about the Democratic party. They suck, have sucked and will continue to suck, unless they change.
And I agree that there’s no contradiction. I’d even go as far as to say there was no contradiction in voting for Harris and then tweeting “the democratic candidate sucks”, because you have to vote for someone and Trump (clearly) was the worse option.
My point was rather that if you dislike a party and you don’t vote for them then you are in support of the other party, even if you don’t vote at all. The nuances get kicked out when it comes to voting.
ok fair but not relevant to my own point post it somewhere relevant next time if you want me to support lol
Ever heard of third parties? I’ve voted Green Party since I could vote. There is the Libertarian, Reform, Constitutional, and several other parties.
Yeah, they’re the non-vote parties. FPTP voting always devolves down to 2 parties, see Duverger’s Law. Even if by some miracle a 3rd party wins (and continues winning) they will eventually kick one of the previous 2 parties out and take their place as the new party in the 2 party system. In practice if my memory doesn’t fail me voting 3rd party hasn’t mattered for over a century because the 2 main parties are so entrenched, so voting for 3rd party is more or less throwing away your vote.
Well I would rather throw my vote away then vote for murdering sociopaths
“If you dislike pancakes that must mean you LOOOOVE waffles right?”
No bitch thats a brand new sentence wtf is you talking about.
Nuance motherfucker do you speak it.
We now have definitive proof that most people do not.
Maybe Democrats could have tried doing literally anything that people wanted
“Wow you wanted the Democrats to do popular polices? You must be a Republican!”
They were too cowardly to enact any change, and just tried to keep the status quo.
Refused to act against an attempted coup by the previous president, and suffered for it, as they rightly should.
Everyone wants something. At least they’re getting it now right?
Zionists are people. (Not good people).
Yeah that is the level of self awareness that created this bullshit. Fuck the Democrats. To be clear I voted for Harris but t Still think the Democrats suck
Imagine posting this meme when just today the DNC have announced their “new” leadership and it’s just the same as the old leadership, and they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.
Just like they would have done nothing when Trumpists did a violent coup if the voting results were different.
Liberals only differ from fascists in degree, not the kind of ideology they follow.
Imagine posting this meme when just today the DNC have announced their “new” leadership and it’s just the same as the old leadership, and they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.
“But maybe next DNC chair you’ll get a progressive! Vote for us and we’ll give you what you want next time.”
don’t vote and you never have to vote again.
Literally voted for Harris, ya goober.
Degree of minorities murdered matters.
See you might have voted for Harris but people who go online and read comments like “Fuck the Democrats” and “Democrats are Centrists” didn’t. People didn’t vote for Harris because of shit like your comment.
People didn’t vote for Harris because her campaign sucked ass, it’s her and her staff who failed to convince people to vote for her, not people who voiced their dissatisfaction with her proposed policy. They need to do better, and if they do, then people excercising their freedom of speech on the internet won’t sway votes away from the party. Idea that people shouldn’t be allowed to complain about the genocide because it voices loudly the dissatisfaction over the party actions and that may lead to lower voter turnout is flawed to it’s core. Those comments are the symptom of the problem, the sign that there is something wrong with the way they directed the campaign, not the source of it. You will get nowhere by silencing the dissidents, you need to take away their reasons to complain, not their means. Until Dems learn this lesson, they won’t win elections again, not with the antiestabilishment vibes and lack of trust towards the government that are prevailent im USA. Not only this messaging of censure won’t work, it will only piss off the electorate and alienate them further. Before the elections I have assumed that this campaign to shame people into voting was a psy op, but it seems like it’s actually their position on the matter, which definitely makes me think they’re controlled opposition at this point. They can’t actually think this kind of messaging helps them in any way, right? This arrogant approach is specifically why Republican electorate hates them. If they want to win, like, ever, they need to work on that.
I’m sorry their message didn’t vibe with you but the Harris policy stances were all on point, minus that shit Walz had to say about Israeli borders. But the vast majority of Americans seemed unaware of the policy stances being on point because of the constant whinging of people online about how they don’t trust her.
Here is an idea, buy Twitter, Meta, Google, WaPo, and TikTok and start propagandizing like the GOP had on their side. She’d probably win by 20 Mil minimum. That’s how fucking easy it is to trick the USA, not even any politics involved, just fuck with the kid’s vibe feeds and watch them destroy themselves. Even talking with you lowers my faith in humanity.
Here is an idea, buy Twitter, Meta, Google, WaPo, and TikTok and start propagandizing like the GOP had on their side.
I’ve recently come around to this idea and I can’t believe we haven’t seen it more often. Facts don’t matter. We need the media, in the unlikely event our democracy limps past this administration. We MUST control the media. That is LITERALLY all that matters.
They weren’t unaware of the policy because of “whining”, but because Dems failed to effectively communicate their proposals. They also failed to combat misinformation from the right, but this I’ll forgive them for this one because at the very least they had opponent in that field that pushed back. That’s not the case for their atrocious campaign that bled voters left and right.
If Americans are unaware or not happy with the candidate stances on various policies, that’s entirely the candidate fault. And when the stances they’re aware of are “I wouldn’t do anything differently than Joe Biden” when JB had to be switched out from the race due to his unpopularity, then the candidate just digs their electoral grave.
You’re entirely missing the point of my previous comment. Dems lost, because they couldn’t make their voters feel like they were the right choice. You’re sarcastic about “vibing” but it’s exactly what required for politician to win an elections. People aren’t wise and don’t delve in deep in policy, as it is excellently shown by morons playing catch up with economic difficulties Trump’s rule already brought. It’s politician job to make their electorate trust them. It is their failure if they can’t (or don’t want to, if they are bought as controlled opposition) make that happen. You really can’t say that “Dems had great campaign but people didn’t like it” because it’s precisely the popularity that makes the campaign great. And no, Harris and her team had terrible campaign, and lost to the opponent that was very easy to trip up and expose. You trying to blame people for not vibing with genocide doesn’t help either. And if me telling you that Dems had bad campaign “lowers your faith in humanity”, then it seems you might be in a cult and not be ready for a mature discussion about the direction that Dems politics will take them. You might want to have that checked out.
I think I’m justified in saying the politicians weren’t the problem. We are. Demonstrably things would be much much much much better if we gave them the power to do something about it.
I’m all for building class consciousness and having people be involved deeply and personally in politics, but USA absolutely isn’t there yet. You need populist messaging and need to make sure people see you in good light if you want to win elections. People didn’t believe Harris nor Biden what they were saying about Trump, even though those things were true. People had few bad years economically, and while they knew it was due to covid, they blamed Dems. It was irrational, just as Trump’s image as a working men ally, but the electorate isn’t moved by rationality, but rather - you got it - vibes. Entire charade about inflation was a lie, but they failed to communicate that. They added fuel to the fire by even acknowledging the illegal immigrants narrative, despite everything showing that both legal and illegal immigrants commited far less crimes on average than USA born citizens. They cracked down on pro-palestinian protests and fed the antisemitic conspiracy theories. It goes on, and on, and on. And I get that you might disagree with me on whenever those things were good or not, but it doesn’t matter, if they can’t make more people think Dems have their best interests in mind. It’s literally the single job they have during the campaign, and if they can’t instill the feeling that people must vote for them or else fascists will win, then it’s on them. They did it wrong. You can’t expect people that doesn’t care about politics to rally up behind them spontaneously, they need to be rallied. You can’t expect people passionate about human lives not to protest a genocide, you need not to support it and not give them a reason to protest. And no, I’m not talking about protesting as in not voting - we already had several rounds of surveys that showed beyond any doubt, that those people in swing states voted almost exclusively for Harris, despite their grievances. It was mostly people who felt neither side had anything good to offer that failed to show up. And it’s those people, who aren’t interested in politics, who just want to do their thing, that Harris and her staff was supposed to convince, but the vibes were off, children died, protestors got maced and locked up, and lies about immigration and inflation were left not debunked. They came out strong after announcement of the ticket and got a record high funds from small value donations, but quickly changed their tune to pro-corporate businesses as usual, and the median voter visibly wasn’t convinced by that. The surveys showed that people felt the economy was bad, so how could the messaging of “we won’t change shit” convince them? Price gouging bit was good, too bad it was dropped stright away within a week. Tim Walz calling the fascist out was very good, but he got muzzled almost immediately. And then what, Liz Cheney? Bill Clinton telling Arabs in Michigan that “Jews were there first”? I mean, come on, you can’t say you believe they did great and that their messaging was impeccable. And even if you somehow do, voters didn’t, and you need at the very least to acknowledge that fact. The messaging was ineffectual, and that’s on Dems. They also cultivated the image of government that is immune to change and stagnant, although that’s not the issue with campaign but with their politics in general, and that made their electorate less interested when very radical change threatened them. Some people were radicalized specifically by this percieved stagnation and voted Trump just for something to change. Harris and her team had a lot of material to work with, but decided to keep to the old and tested playbook instead, which, judging by the elections results, was a mistake. People that were somewhat interested in politics and believed that Trump was bad, voted overwhelmingly for Harris, even if they disliked her or her campaign, but that’s a drop im a bucket. Most people don’t care, and you need politicians to reach them to make them care - or else they might blame them for something bad in their lives, maybe completely unrelated, maybe not, and just vote out of spite for the opposition, or maybe just wallow in apathy and not vote at all. I hope I made my point clearer, if it wasn’t transparent previously.
Oh yeah, I’m sure it had nothing to do with people like you yelling at people that they’re monsters for even slightly criticizing the DNC and Harris campaign.
It gave us Trump, twice, consequentially there is very real death and suffering on their hands.
The idea someone would not vote because they read “Democrats are Centrists” online is funny to me.
Liberals have any respect for people’s intelligence challenge: impossible
When I see any intelligence from you fuckers, I’ll respect it
Millions of people who voted for Biden in 2020 did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024. Trumps numbers hardly changed at all.
It really is that simple, no enthusiasm among the left due to infighting and degrading our candidate.
no enthusiasm among the left due to infighting and degrading our candidate.
First, the democrats are not “the left”. Don’t even pretend. Dick Cheney is on their side and they lauded that, ffs.
Second, we all did our damnedest to bite our tongues over your pro-cop, pro-israel bae, but everyone is well aware she was a piece of shit candidate. “Infighting” isn’t what cost the democrats the vote. “Pushing forward another intensely bad choice and then running a bad campaign that failed to win anyone over” did. You left people stuck between an insane choice and a miserable one. Should they have chosen misery? Sure, but don’t parade around acting like everyone should have proudly accepted the miserable one. That’s the attitude that has cost your country everything. The democrats are continuing to prove they just have no idea how to lead themselves or act in any meaningful way in the face of fascism.
If you’re fighting against the Democrats then you’re promoting fascism. We live in a first past the post 2 party system.
You can have progressive reform or fascism, stop choosing fascism.
Call me when the democrats actually do something to fight fascism then. I predict you’ll continue to side with them as they continue to sit on their asses whining “it’s not allowed!” while your country invades mine. Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
If a Democrat’s billion dollar war chest can’t stand against an anonymous online person saying “Democrats are centrists” maybe they shouldn’t be centrists.
What about a hundred million anonymous online persons?
If a hundred million of your constituents are asking you to do something, fucking do it. A candidate can tell their base to shut up, but expecting them to still turn out, as we just saw, is a fantasy.
The majority of people shitting on dems were not dem constituents. They were Republicans. An unfortunate number were dems but far from a majority, going by primary results for the last two decades.
There’s a lot of cocky talk from you about majorities from someone bemoaning an electoral defeat across the board.
Look at this dude, proudly declaring the left’s defeat to Republicans. You some kind of conservative?
Broadcasts from the future:
Wednesday, November 8, 2028: The democrats, running a Mike Pence and Mitt Romney ticket, have just lost to the a copy of Grok 3 trained on the transcripts of all of Donald Trump’s, uh, speeches, and its running mate, Eye Fuckskulls, the modern leader of the Aryan Brotherhood. After having a completely fair primary in which their super delegates all reported that they would vote for Pence on day one, and all the other candidates, each having won one or two states, dropped out and pledged their votes to Pence after he won the absolutely critical state of New Hampshire, the democrats were sure of their chances with this centrist ticket. Many democrats expressed befuddlement that they lost ground in every demographic, although some strategists see a glimmer of hope in that they managed to pick up sixteen disaffected Republican voters nationwide. Some voters seemed to think that the democrats didn’t make a case for why they should vote for Pence and Romney instead of Grok/Fuckskulls, but democrats disagree. “It’s hard to know for sure, but my guess is that it’s time to move past unpopular far left policies like only executing 100 detained immigrants a day, annexing only half of Canada, and limiting involuntary Tesla Factory labor to only the poorest Americans” said one democratic strategist.
“Stupid fucking leftists, progressives, and non-voters, Pence/Romney ‘Atheist Genocide But We’ll Say Sorry While Doing It 2028’ was the best chance we had at restoring the republic, the damage that Grok and Fuckskulls will do is immeasurable. I guess they’re just going to have to learn to vote blue no matter who in 2032!” Yelled another exasperated democrat on the TrumpNet ™, America’s isolated and heavily censored internet network.
I really enjoyed reading this, thank you for the satirical sci-fi of the bullshit we’re stuck with of today.
I’m pretty sure it’s actually a broadcast from the future mate.
Both can be true you know
We were going to eventually get a president that’s doing what Trump is doing assuming we failed to organize. I just wanted more time to organize in the hopes that we could avoid all the pain and suffering that a president like Trump will cause.
As somebody who’s worked on leftist local campaigns, no amount of time was ever going to help us. A large majority of the American people want to stay on the globalist neoliberal train until it inevitably crashes. The only thing they can’t agree on is the conductor.
If only there was an organization, like, a big, established political party, that’s been around for a really long time that could have done something, rather than people trying to organize last minute.
Are you talking about the Democrats? They weren’t going to do anything. They rely on wealthy donors. The same wealthy donors that like what Trump is doing.
It is and always has been class warfare.
Yeah it’s too bad those schmucks didn’t and won’t do anything. I’m just noting that it’s funny that there’s already an organization that should be doing something and failed
Oh this again? Democratic Party: has our Neo liberalism, refusal to enact progressive policy, and backing of a genocide alienated progressive voters? Disenfranchised voter: damn it we told you a thousand times yes! Democratic Party: No it’s the voters who are wrong.
Hey, hey, marketing yourself as Fascism Lite: Low Sodium as opposed to Fascism Original Recipe has to work at some point, right?
Gotta keep tugging for those republican votes. We may need to adopt some republican priorities in order to get those voters, but its all for a good cause right?
“Democrats are not doing enough to encourage people to vote for Democrats.” is a warning, not a threat.
People who make and post memes like this seem to think that the people complaining about conservative Democrats and pointing out problems in the party are not voting for Democrats. I think they largely wrong about that. We are voting for all Democrats all the time, but warning you that your messaging sucks and you are not going to get the turnout you need. It is not our fault we were correct.
Wrong! ANY criticism of the party means you’re a secret maga Russian plant. The democrats are perfect and don’t need to improve in any way!
/s
I mean, you certainly argue like a MAGA.
Exactly. “Back the blue no matter who” is great and dandy in the months between primaries and the election, but at any other time it’s a straight-up nonsense phrase. We’re now well into the “Who’ll be the new blue?” stage, and the last thing we need is to let some ancient, entitled, dem politician shuffle in and take “their turn” and for democrats to just go with it again. Now’s the time to build a movement against the dnc establishment and for the progressive wing.
I also don’t really see the point in the meme and ones like it. The election already happened, and whether you personally blame voters or the dnc, either way it’s the dnc’s problem to fix or they’re gonna go extinct.
The point is we failed to promote the DNC in those months when it actually mattered and millions of people who voted for the party before stayed home instead. We need to promote the DNC, not just shit on them. We need to convince people to vote for those fucking mummies and those tech and science illiterate dolts because the alternative is worse and we need to scream that from the mountaintops “The DNC will protect you. The DNC will enrich your lives. Voting against the DNC is self-harm. The GOP wants DEATH for Profits.”
After the primaries yes, we should do all of that. And though it sounds like I’m taking a shit on the dnc (well tbh I kinda am), the way I see it they’re in serious need of some constructive criticism, because ironically for a “democratic” party they’re incredibly out of touch with their voters, proved by a good portion of them not even showing up for them the last major election. Now is the perfect time to work on the dnc.
The DNC will protect you. The DNC will enrich your lives
See this might be marginally true, certainly more true of the dnc than the gop, but that’s a low bar and there’s so much room for improvement. A lot of Dems are transparently in the pockets of the wealthy, and many protections are lip-service at best. I’ve even read articles recently about a few dem politicians walking back their pro-trans-rights positions. If now was post-primary, I’d be hold my breath ticked off that the lesser evil chose to be a little more evil at the last second, but now is the time to clean up the mess and build a more popular and representative dnc before the next major election. They can start by taking a sloganeering class
People who make and post memes like this seem to think that the people complaining about conservative Democrats and pointing out problems in the party are not voting for Democrats. I think they largely wrong about that. We are voting for all Democrats all the time, but warning you that your messaging sucks and you are not going to get the turnout you need. It is not our fault we were correct.
This is true in the general population, but I just feel the need to point out that folks who explicitly weren’t voting for Dems, as well as folks who were indistinguishable from MAGA talking points, were very prominent on Lemmy, which is part of the reason why you see a lot of this soreness still.
It is not our fault we were correct.
No. It’s your fault you’re not doing anything about it.
Create a community for every state and win the midterms (where applicable). Start there.
We are trying. I volunteer for campaigns and knock on doors for progressive candidates. And they get attacked by the kind of democrats who take most of their campaign contributions from property developers and car dealerships.
If you are voting for the establishment and attacking anybody who brings up valid criticisms, YOU are not doing anything about it.
Lemmy tradition: assuming everyone else is a keyboard warrior with no direct action.
You’re not promoting the party, it doesn’t matter how much you vote for them if you actively dissuade others from doing the same.
Even the existence of the phrase “vote blue no matter who” is a dead giveaway as to why the Democrats failed… Again.
You cannot run entirely on simply not being the other party. That is not enough to entice voters on the fence. You might think it is and those people on the fence are too stupid so they should just “vote blue no matter who”, but clearly that hasn’t been fucking work for the Democrats.
That is not enough to entice voters on the fence.
It’s your hellscape, fence-sitters. Idiots. If only you could have done something, any one goddamn thing to have avoided this gutting of democracy, this looting of generations of social capital, demonizing of progressive causes and the establishment of a russian vassal state.
But I understand the candidate was not exciting enough to get off the fence.
You coulda been somebody, Charlie, you coulda been a contender.
Oh my God it’s like talking to a brick wall with you people.
The Democrats have been running on a platform of “we aren’t Trump” for 3 elections in a row. They lost two of them.
This loss falls on Democrat leadership far more than it falls on the people on the fence.
The fact is the Democrats failed to convince enough people they were the better option. Mostly because they tried the same strategy against the same opponent 3 fucking times.
This loss falls on Democrat leadership far more than it falls on the people on the fence.
Sounds like you like making excuses for shitstain losers who sit around waiting for a political party to court them instead of doing their fucking homework and making responsible decisions.
So, setting aside the validity of this perspective, you do run into one problem: You can’t import new voters. These are the hand you’re dealt and complaining about them accomplishes nothing.
And you’re still not getting it.
This is actually hilarious to watch. You’ve got multiple people in here explaining it multiple ways and y’all still can’t wrap your heads around it.
And you’re still not getting it.
Nah bud, you’re not getting it.
Politicians come and go. Political parties go through phases where they’re better and worse at advertising themselves. The American voters who failed to do their civic duty by responsibly informing themselves, choosing instead to sit around and wait for a party to court them until they felt appeased, will still be there next go around, waiting to not do their civic duty again, entirely dependent on whether they feel a party appeased them enough or not.
Because they’re too fucking lazy to do simple things like looking up the voting history of said party. I did. Now I don’t need Democrats to court me like I’m some dipshit prom queen because I KNOW they are the better option, whether they court me or not.
And you’re still digging. This is fucking comical.
Keeping calling those people who didn’t do exactly what you wanted a bunch of fucking idiots. I’m sure that will win them over for next time!
Democrats “Vote for us no matter what or you’re an uneducated fuckwit”
Also Democrats “I can’t believe acting like elitist snobs and calling people who might have voted our way idiots didn’t work!”
Just keeeeeep doubling down.
2028 is gonna be really rough for y’all if you keep this mentality the whole time.
Sounds like you making excuses for a shitstain party who sits around waiting for wins to come to them instead of learning from mistakes and fixing those mistakes next time.
As an outsider, I think you’re not on the side of the meme that you think you’re on.
If not voting for Trump wasn’t enough for Harris to win, she sure didn’t act like it. “Nothing to change” from the policies of the guy who was forced to step down wasn’t what the people wanted to hear.
I mean he was asked to step down because of the worry that his mental faculties, not due to his policies. Remember, it was right after his first debate with Trump. The following debate, Kamala roasted Trump.
Yeah, except for the whole genocide thing. But mostly college kids protested that. You can just beat up those.
Argument falls apart when she was still the lesser of the two in the regard
Regardless of the actual outcome, I assume that most people who didn’t vote for her didn’t intend on helping Trump. Otherwise, they would have voted for him.
You want people to vote for you, it’s not enough to simply not vote for the other guy.
I don’t get how this relates to my post… Could you reword your comment
There were many of people who demanded Biden to step down, as he supported Israels genocide against Palestinians. The reasons you describe cover the party elites and many people in general, but Bidens support for genocide and Harris continuation of that support were part of the reasons why the Democrats lost to Trump again.
Stepping down was mainly due to his debate performance, not the genocide. Why do I believe that? A shit ton of people still voted for Kamala. It wasn’t enough for her to win, and it was less than Biden s votes last election, but a majority of Biden voters from his election still voted for Kamala.
Originally we aren’t talking about why he lost ( i do agree, perhaps incorrectly, that Kamala lost enough support because of her position on Gaza). Originally we were talking about why he was forced to step down, which again was due to his debate performance.
Hold on, last election he refused to say so explicitly, but he repeatedly implied he wouldn’t run for a second term and described himself as a bridge candidate. Then he demanded a second term at the last minute.
How did he “demand a second term in the last minute”? The assumption is a president will run for re election.
Unless they run in the first election as a bridge candidate and then, after being elected, refuse to confirm that he won’t run again for multiple years.
Edit: y’all can rewrite history all you want and insist that the party cannot fail because it can only be failed, but he said what he said: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/10/joe-biden-michigan-rally-kamala-harris-cory-booker
¿Por Qué No Los Dos?
When it was the day of the general election and we were guaranteed to either get mainstream Democrat or Trump 2.0: The Revenge Tour, I could not morally justify any vote that didn’t minimize the chances of Trump winning.
But in the present day, and in the time leading up to the election, god damn the Democrats feel so worthless. Their party probably needs to be completely rebuilt even before the much much worse Republican party. You can’t have the Nice Conservative Party vs the Mean Conservative Party when the latter has gone off the deep end.
But also in the present day, it may already be too late. So keep on writing stern letters, insider trading, and raking in the fundraising while your desperate constituents still have some money and willingness to do something!
Yes thank you, this is the sane response. Sitting here in my neighbouring nation wondering if we’ll be facing invasion in the next year or two, I have no sympathy for people who couldn’t hold their nose and vote for harm reduction. I just can’t understand why so many Americans are too blind to understand that you can have harm reduction, AND oppose the democrats.
Very true. I think we need to do our own version of the ratchet effect. In places that are solidly red we need to vote blue to lighten them up a bit. In places that are blue we need to start doing grass roots efforts to winning local offices and state reps that do represent our issues.
At this point I think it’s all a little moot, I’ll be genuinely surprised if the US ever has a proper democratic election again.
I voted for those assholes up and down. They still suck.
I’ve been voting blue no matter who for 25 years and it didn’t stop this shit
40 years and it’s worse.
Same.
And I’ll keep voting blue no matter who.
BECAUSE LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVE.
Same.
And I’ll hate it every time and expect nothing in return.
Serious question, then why do you keep doing it? You have to understand that constantly voting for the same shit, without doing anything to change who you’re voting for or demanding anything of your leaders, was going to lead to the party becoming out of touch with your needs and wants right?
I tried voting for Kucinich, then for Dean, and then for Bernie. Twice. So I’ve tried to vote for different shit but they don’t win.
Or when they do they get a traumatic brain injury and turn MAGA.
Fuck Fetterman.
So, the electoral process has failed you every time that you’ve interacted with it, and you’ve watched as everything got worse these past few decades, but still hold faith in the process? Again, I have to wonder why? It seems like you’d be very justified in looking at the DNC as traitors, especially considering they personally gatekept some of your choices from the general election.
I don’t have any faith in the process. I just do it so I can tell liberals it doesn’t work.
Plus my mom would disown me if I didn’t vote.
