Her advice to anyone planning to travel to the US is simply not to go. “First, because of the danger of what could happen to you. And, secondly, do you really want to give your money to this country right now?”
When in fact her advice should have been “understand the terms of your visa”
Yeah
She had been travelling on her own, staying on homestays free of charge in exchange for doing household chores, drawing as she went. For Burke, 28, it was absolute freedom.
Within hours of posting that drawing, Burke got to see a much darker side of life in America, and far more than a glimpse. When she tried to cross into Canada, Canadian border officials told her that her living arrangements meant she should be travelling on a work visa, not a tourist one. They sent her back to the US, where American officials classed her as an illegal alien. She was shackled and transported to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention centre, where she was locked up for 19 days – even though she had money to pay for a flight home, and was desperate to leave the US.
Exactly. Canada refused her entry first, then when America learned why they detained her.
She should have been deported and put on the next flight at her expense, not detained for nearly 3 weeks, but she definitely fucked up and took the piss with her visa.
Tell that to the man in an El Salvador prison admitted to be an “admin error”. He knew exactly what his terms were and didn’t break any laws. He was sent illegally and he’s not coming back. This isn’t “it happens under all administrations”. Wake up, people are being detained in broad daylight and then theyre cancelling their visas. Wake up before it starts happening to you too.
What about what now ?
Meh, sure she was wrong on that, but that doesn’t justify taking her into custody and refusing to allow her to go home.
That’s BS. She did chores. Did she even earn wages? She stayed 7 weeks, no overstay.
I’m leaving now because no one here can read.
I’m leaving now because people are challenging my black and white view and they’re making me question my beliefs.
Trump doesn’t care about law, be it domestic or foreign. He will just grab you by the nethers and say that your visa is dead because he thought it should be.
Her visa was dead. That’s the point.
This is a completely typical outcome for anyone who doesn’t understand the terms of their visa under any administration.
The trap it seems you and many others have fallen into, is the media using a middle class white girl along side emotive language such as “shackled” and “held with criminals” to elicit the outrage response.
Speaking as an American, everyone who can needs to stay the fuck out until we can get some semblance of having our shit together.
My entire extended family is in America. They voted for Trump, we will never be visiting them again most likely. America is not safe.
I used to take semi-regular business trips to the US, but I think from this point I will try to move everything online. Aside from it not being safe for me in other ways, all it would take is someone with a suspicion that my work on the trip is “illegal” to send me to prison :/
I want to know who narced on her.
She was just doing chores at houses in exchange for boarding. She wasn’t paid. She just did chores.
That would qualify as work according to the US gov. Because by doing these chores, you are potentially causing someone to not need to pay a nanny or whatever. Be careful how you define work – you don’t need to be directly paid.
By throwing your rubbish in a bin whilst in the USA, you are causing the city to not need to pay a litter picker to collect and throw your rubbish into a bin.
I know I’m just being silly, and I know you’re not wrong, I’m just sayin. There’s a thousand ways one could look at almost any action and suggest ways in which it is “work” if we define it as causing someone else to not have to do a job or get paid for something.
You’re not being silly, and it is wrong. Just because ICE is bending over backwards to drag people into this shit doesn’t make it right, and you shouldn’t fall for their gaslighting and normalization. It’s wrong, and you should feel confident in calling out how fucking absurd this shit is.
morally wrong out factually wrong? yall Redditors are driving me nuts
It’s not work because you’re depriving someone of the job, it’s work because you are doing a task for a benefit. It’s just a non cash benefit.
She was doing work for a benefit. It wasn’t cash, but it had value. If that wasn’t work, and therefore not taxable, everyone would just switch to getting paid in services and benefits that aren’t cash.
She was treated extremely harshly but she was working illegally. There are lots of digital nomads that do similar. They work in places where they are staying on a tourist visa, it’s illegal. I run a small business. When I am away on holidays overseas, my staff need to be paid. I log in and pay them while away. Technically that is in breach of my visa for most countries, I’d say.
I feel like only one person calling you stupid isn’t enough, so I’d like to add that this is one of the stupidest collections of words I have ever read.
I genuinely hope you make statements like this in your daily life. After all, the world needs humor.
hey leave them alone. stupidity has nothing to do with it. are they right or wrong? sorry, but the facts matter here and I’m not trusting popular opinion to figure out immigration law
this place feels more like reddit lately
Google it. You’ll find out immigration law is a very amorphous place and when the people who make you legal or not also deport you there’s zero accountability. Trump already said to cancel all legal status of south Sudanese immigrants. That’s legal immigrants. He just decided they aren’t anymore. No one’s talking about how entirely bullshit this is.
You’re an idiot.
Yea, no. This is only considered ‘work’ if you’re a physics teacher.
It’s sad to see factual comments like yours getting downvoted, because some just don’t want to hear this truth.
It doesn’t mean you support these kind of things happening, just that you understand the reasons they’re doing this shit…
And @ all the haters, get a life… you can disagree with the current rules, and how they’re enforced, but you can’t deny reality.
Yep, ive applied for visas in many countries and loved in multiple, long term. You follow the rules or risk being deported. I’ve friends that were deported, and friends that took advantage of amnesties when they were available.
I know there are au pair visas in some countries to allow similar work with few restrictions and payment in kind. However, I think they mainly include child care.
What all those who think she shouldn’t have to follow the vis rules aren’t aware of is that she’s likely undercutting those that followed the rules and also that human trafficking takes advantage of people in arrangements like these and use your visa breach as leverage. Less commonly for people from countries like the UK, but it can happen to anyone.
It’s fine to hate on the oppressive state of America at the moment but those in breach of their visa conditions are not the best martyrs for a cause. The ones unfairly prosecuted for non visa breaches, like ethnicity and sexual orientation are what we need to fight.
That’s not work? That’s common courtesy! You stay at someones house so you help out.
If they are a friend. If you’re doing so as a trade, then it’s not a courtesy, it’s a transaction.
If there is a contract it’s work.
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She narced on herself to Canada, then America overheard.
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This article could have been written as a warning to others about lying to Immigration officials and the possible repercussions but they just go straight to making this girl the poor victim.
The whole article can be summed up with, If you lie to ICE (FA) and they find out (FO) you’re going to have a bad time.
She had been travelling on her own, staying on homestays free of charge in exchange for doing household chores, drawing as she went. For Burke, 28, it was absolute freedom.
It’s not free of charge if you have to work in exchange for room and board. She was employed by the home owners and instead of cash she got a room.
Her whole trip was planned around working off her room and board with manual labor. She knew exactly what she was doing, she lied, she got caught.
That maybe so, but why such an excessive stay? Stick her on a plane, sorted.
While I agree the time in detention was excessive, this wasn’t at an airport, it was at the Canadian land border. So it’s understandable that she wouldn’t immediately get on a plane back home - she’d likely have to be taken to a central facility and then transferred to an airport. But yeah, that shouldn’t take 3 weeks.
They had to do that to deport her anyway.
Yes that’s my point. There’s a bit more of a process from the Canadian land border than at an airport. At an airport, you’d just be turned around and paying for a flight. At the land border - particularly the border between two countries that don’t want you - it’s going to take a bit longer because the logistics are more complicated. Also, there might be some kind of investigation, as she has already been staying in the country for several weeks at this point.
However we should be talking about like 3-4 days at most (if that), not 3 weeks.
If they didn’t want to go to prison, they shouldn’t have stolen the candy bar. FAFO! Also I hate authoritarians. FREEDOM!
Okay Maga Hat.
Because what the ICE did, while maybe de jure legal, was overexatturated?
Doing payroll would be you performing a transaction in another country to people in that other country. At no point are you performing work where you receive remuneration in the country you’re visiting - which is the point of working visas. Just because you did a bit of paperwork for your work back home doesn’t mean you’re violating tourist visa conditions.
Best to get a lobotomy before going to the US that way they won’t be able to accuse you of trying to work illegally while you’re there. It also has the benefit that you’ll finally be on the same mental level as Trump and his supporters.
I’m sorry, but this is NOT the kind of person I want in prison. AND I don’t want prisons profiting off her misery.
So what I’m not understanding is, why are we putting people in jail for something that isn’t causing harm? Unless, is there something about overstaying your visa that is harmful?
To do maximum harm to Hispanics. We have totally legal Americans who are Hispanic leaving the country, they can afford to, and it’s all because of this ethnic clensing, which is 100% what anti immigration hate is about its that Hispanics aren’t white enough, and they want us all out now.
There’s already talk from Trump’s goverment that they are considering special IDs being required. You know. Exactly what the Nazi did gearing up for the holocaust. This is ethnic clensing, it’s disregarding the rights of any Hispanic people and attacking them legally and illegally and daring anyone to stop them. So far, no one in particular cares.
There’s already talk from Trump’s goverment that they are considering special IDs being required.
Fucking hell, I hadn’t heard about this yet.
From what I am to understand it will be finally requiring the Real ID be implemented everywhere, and everyone needs to carry that, or a passport.
In this case, however, it is a white British national. It doesn’t seem to fit into the racist rhetoric that normally comes out of this administration, instead being a broader targeting of foreigners in general. (This of course not being the only case of Europeans facing problems)
Racism is a huge factor, but it seems the end goal goes further towards complete isolationism.
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This is incorrect. Canada discovered she had an incorrect visa to enter Canada, as she had a tourist visa and they determined she’d need a work visa - so they sent her back to the USA, where she had come from, to reapply for her Canadian visa and then re-enter - but the USA border agents, on seeing her getting rejected, questioned her about her stay in the USA and determined she had broken the terms of the visa she was in the USA under, and thus detained her.
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Catering to your idiotic voters is the reason.
TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!
Say does anybody in the EU want to host an american who’s down on his luck?
Is that Homer Simpsonn?
People have been denied entry to the US because they said they were going to house sit. To the law that’s considered work for accommodation. Immigration has every right to deny you entry. Doesn’t matter if you guys agree with it or not.
Just never say you are doing chores or work in exchange for accommodation to any border cop in any country. So never say you do homestay or are housesitting. It will get you kicked out in many countries not just the US and Canada.
Also this article just proves to only cross the US border by airplane. It seems that every tourist that is in an ICE detention center crossed the border on land.
If she landed in Vancouver she would’ve been send home by plane. Also I bet she wouldn’t have been caught if she went trough immigration at the airport. Canadian immigration cops are a lot stricter at the borders than at the airport.
Did you not simply say “British ! Enough of your nonsense! “ and come home to your king ?
