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[Time traveling back to summer of 2024 to coddle the sensibilities of “centrists” when pointing out that there was no anti-genocide option on the ballot, and telling them that anti-genocide voters weren’t going to show up for genocide-lite]
Maybe give a few shooting lessons while you’re there
the one time we wanted a Republican to lean a little more to the right
Not voting isn’t saying “I don’t like either of these choices”.
It’s saying “I’m happy with either of these choices”.
And in any case, it wasn’t an objection or support of genocide that handed Trump power. It was apathy.
Multiple things handed Trump the presidency, none of them were the only thing, but “protest” non-voters were one of them.
Lite?
It is a Simpsons reference, replace “Duff” with “genocide”
the simpsons didnt invent the concept of “lite” lol even the spelling can be found as early as the 1960s.
and the question probably wasnt “what does lite mean?”… theyre asking “how tf do you do a ‘lite’ genocide?”
Just a little as a treat
Me going back in time to tell the Communists to stop calling the Social Democrats “social fascists” so they don’t both die in concentration camps:
Edit: I didnt even read the username, go to https://existentialcomics.com/ hit random and enjoy. Big fan of their work.
The SPD were murdering members of the KPD and collaborating with the police. The SPD sided with the Nazis over the communists. One of the prominent communists killed in the purge against the KPD was Rosa Luxemburg, which along with the other communists killed triggered firm opposition to working with the SPD on top of the SPD’s support for maintaining the capitalist system.
Speaking of Existential Comics, here they are making the case for why you should read Lenin.
goddamn do those replies on xitter miss the point
They do help prove it, though. Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism and The State and Revolution are two of the most important and influential books in the entire Leftist canon, and both are extremely practical to this day, along with countless other works of Lenin.
You are by far the most annoying liberal on lemmy
Thanks, I try. See you in the camps.
The SPD used people like Erich Ludendorff to eliminate Communists. The SPD directly inherited the government from the Prussian King, maintained the interests of the German Empire, and killed Communist political leaders prior to the first election of the Weimar Republic.
The SPD government was the power structure that directly empowered, then acquiesced to multiple coup attempts by the monarchist anti-democratic right wing.
Now, the Russian Social Democrat Party, on the other hand, won their war. So it’s not necessarily the ‘Social Democrat’ part so much as the ‘Maintaining Imperial Power Structures’ part that the German SPD is faulted for.
The KPD also went on to try and do coalition with the Nazi right wing too, with likewise predictably terrible results.
I have no idea about History or psychology but this was pretty funny
Spainish Socialists! Be nicer to Francisco Franco and maybe he won’t coup you in a couple of years!
African Americans! Try not to upset any of your White Neighbors so they don’t lynch you. It’s the best way to guarantee your civil rights.
Chinese Catholics! Greet the Japanese with open arms!
This isn’t even close to analogous, here is a better one.
“Real leftists” would have been more than happy to write in a niche candidate instead of ensuring that Hitler didn’t become Chancellor in the first place. And then they will have justified it by saying that Germany was going to fail anyway, and they rather have it happen sooner than later, and that none of the blood of the 6 million Jews about to be worked and gassed to death is on their hands.
It’s possible to have voted for the lesser evil and encourage vigorous protest.
It’s not a simple dichotomy.
Voted for Harris, Anti-riot
Voted third party/didn’t vote, Pro-Riot
Plenty of people Voted for Harris and are pro-riot. (Though those people tend to vote as harm reduction not with the naïve belief that simply just voting is enough).
Ppl really forget we can do more than one thing
Easier to dismiss criticism when you can scapegoat it into a made of caricature that you disagree with on other things.
It’s not like the Nazis ever received the majority of the votes. Funny to see us blaming the votes of that time.
It’s a bit pedantic to say that Hitler rose to power without the majority because he only received 43.9% of the vote… especially considering that over 17 million people voted for him and the next most popular candidate only received 7 million votes.
That really only makes sense if you are reviewing the election through the lens of someone used to a two party system. If we are going to evaluate it as if it were a two party system and combine the right and left into two coalitions…the Nazi, Centre, DNVP, and BVP would make up nearly 26 million voters while the SPD and kpd would only make up nearly 12 million people.
Even though the Centre party was much more willing to work with the Nazi than the socialist, if we added their votes to the left coalition you’d still have 22m on the right and 16m on the left.
The only way you can really claim that the Nazi didn’t receive the majority of the vote is if you misinterpret The Weimar Republic as a direct democracy and not a Republic.
A bad analogy is a license to be pedantic.
It’s not a license to engage in historical revisionism. Like the myth of the clean wehrmacht, the notion that Hitler didn’t have the broad support of the majority of German citizens is an attempt to deny the culpability of everyday Germans from the war crimes they were collectively responsible for in WW2.
Off topic, but this is the first time I’ve seen an awful.systems account outside of its local communities.
Except in this case, the previous government had already killed 4 million Jews, and Hitler was only continuing the previous government’s policy of genocide.
No, in this case, the government would have killed 0 Jews, and instead provided weapons and ammunition to a long-time ally who suffered a brutal terrorist attack just a year prior and was in the middle of a bloody vengeance campaign that had gone way beyond the scope of neutralizing the enemy and had become a full blown extermination campaign in which Hitler was outright calling for the use of nuclear weapons and complete annihilation.
But, that far in to the weeds and the analogy breaks down because you’re just describing the very specific situation that happened back in November.
The genocide of Palestinians has been going on for nearly a century, it didn’t start after October 7th. Israel was founded on settler-colonialism and erasure of Palestinians, including stealing cultural symbols like food and claiming it as “Israeli.”
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Nah, sorry but this is an absolutely horrendous take. Modern Israel is fundamentally an early settler-colonial project, and thus is based on genocide. The only solution is a single, secular and democratic Palestine, with minority protections. There isn’t anything genetic about the Palestinian/Settler conflict, in fact a large number of Israelis are from the US and Europe, not actually born in Israel.
Kamala would never stem the flow of support for Israel, because Israel’s role in the broader US Empire is as a mega-US millitary base in the Middle East, to keep oil flowing and pressure the Middle East into conceding to US interests above all. Kamala knew this, Biden knew this, Trump knows this too. None of them ever would have stopped the gravy train, the US depends on it economically. The loss of Israel would be a devastating blow for US soft power in the region, hence Biden’s endless public critique while privately sending everything necessary. The difference with Trump is that it’s all above the table and public facing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)
Nah, sorry but this is an absolutely horrendous take.
You don’t get to call truth an"absolutely horrendous take", but it’s kinda the only tool the proxy-trump voters have left to save a little face, so whatever floats your boat.
What, exactly, does linking a Wikipedia page dispute about what I’ve said? What “truth?” I called your analysis a horrendous take because it was, Israel pre-October 7 was commiting genocide, and was commiting genocide even back when it was founded three quarters of a century ago. Kamala would never oppose Israel. I also don’t like the insinuation that I’m a Trump voter, I never voted for Trump nor any republican, ever. Calling your take bad wasn’t my “only tool,” I dismantled your argument that capes for Zionist genocide of Palestinians.
Here’s some good reading for you, since you love linking articles:
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
Israel was always going to do just want they wanted to unless someone stood up to them. That was never going to be Trump, nor was it going to be Harris, let’s be real here for a second. That sweet, sweet AIPAC cash is just too hard to say no to, and, frankly, Israel is a really charged topic that candidates would prefer to avoid. I find your distinction meaningless, it’s like handing an alcoholic booze while saying “nooo, please don’t drink it, it’s bad for you” only to turn around say that you didn’t help them destroy their life because you oh so gently reminded them that booze is bad for their health as you handed it to them. This is a cigarette company defense.
They’re doing it to Trump, just on Iran, because they know Trump isn’t going to meaningfully stand up to them, while still not wanting to get the US into full blown war. They’d be doing it to Harris too, because the DNC didn’t even trust her enough to let her run her own campaign, they sure as fuck weren’t going to let her run her own presidency. We’d probably have some DNC turbodonor or AIPAC mf as SecDef.
Why wouldn’t you just assassinate him?
Executing the traitorous SPD leadership like Ebert and Noske would be far more effective. Arguably the November revolution would have succeeded and fascism would never have had a chance to foster, bc well, the bourgeoisie would have been liquidated lol
Assassinating Hitler wouldn’t stop fascism. Capitalism was in decline and socialism was rising in popularity, the bourgeoisie needed a hammer to stamp that out and protect itself. Someone else would have fulfilled Hitler’s role, Hitler himself wasn’t some special person with a mandate from heaven.
then just keep assassinating until they stop coming
There was apparently an insane number of attempts that weren’t successful, so this plan may not work out
gotta git gud
Hitler rose to power because 85 year old centrist idiot Paul von Hindenburg appointed hitler chancellor and then promptly dropped dead of old age, in office, one year into his term. Hindenburg did this right after he had won a presidential election while not giving a single campaign speech or debate, and having not much in the way of policy because he was too dementia ridden. There was 86% voter turnout in that election.
A big reason Hitlers party rose to total control after that is because the population lost all trust in the centrists. Sound familiar?
Here’s the Plan.
Funnel ridiculous amounts of gold back in time and use the wealth it creates to repair Germanies economy to the point where facism doesn’t develop.
Meanwhile create a secret treasury system that keeps track of all the gold and when the time comes buys as much of it back as possible. Then the bought back gold is used to send it back in time creating a self sufficient solution to the problem.Hollywood, I take checks and PayPal.
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Wait that’s just Tennet with extra steps, shit.
Fascism develops because capitalism is in decay and/or threatened by socialist movements
