How is kindness a bad thing? I thought that was universally agreed to be a good message to have in a piece of media. I guess the excuse is they don’t want media to have messages at all but like, how would you even have a movie where the hero has no values that they stand for?
For all the right wingers who think woke, pro immigrant superman is a new concept, reminder that this is a poster from the 1950s
Interestingly enough zero black people depicted, or any other races but white - just one dude with a dark orange complexion like the Mango Mussolini.
Ethnicities. “Race” is a shit expression.
Agreed, but ‘ethnicity’ means something else, closer to ‘national origin’ mentioned on the poster. All the white people pictured may well be of different ethnicities, for example. ‘Ancestries’, perhaps? ‘Different skin color’?
Yeah you got the crux of the problem here! Let‘s correct people that are saying the same with a bit of arrogance to have a dopamine kick and then let’s make a fight about this so we are pushing the other person away
God why everything has to be so divisive these days?!
Colour palette.
Propaganda is powerful. You convince your followers that some classes of people don’t deserve kindness, you convince them that everything out of Hollywood is part of a leftist agenda, and once they believe both of those statements it’s very easy to spin this as further proof of the narrative they’ve already bought into.
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But what if you kill them with kindness?
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Just be sure to make it look like an accident.
Like Bob Ross, just a happy accident.
Feels wrong to hide it.
Whatever gets the job done.
In that case, the end justify the means. :-)
I disagree. Every person on this earth deserves happiness, and to avoid suffering. They also deserve kindnesa. That, however, does NOT mean they can do whatever they want. “Hey fascist, you do not get to tell people that kindness is bad” is not an unkind statement. You can have boundaries while still being kind. I really don’t believe we’re ever going to win the fight against fascism with more hate. Hate breeds hates. Kill them with kinds is a saying for a reason. If you tell a hateful person that you love them in spite of their hate, they don’t know what to do. They want people to hurt because they are hurt. If you accept their hurt, they will stop trying to hurt you (disclaimer this isn’t always black and white for each individual person, this is a philosophy that applies to humanity)
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I’m just baffled because not only is it way easier to not hate people, it’s way more beneficial for everyone.
These people are taking two mile hikes to find the perfect deer shit to shove down their throats.
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That’s fully understood, we’re talking about propaganda, and I’m talking about who that propaganda affects.
You’re not wrong though at all. Arm yourself, convince anyone you can to do the same.
Only war is class war and I aim to win this bitch
Probably the same idiots who thought Homelander was a hero.
I’ve been wondering if there are Trump supporters watching The Handmaid’s Tale and siding with Gilead
I’m sure they have watched it and made lots of notes.
Yes there are
Homelander is a hero, just not to the public.
You didn’t even upvote your own comment. That’s how stupid it is.
i think he is analyzing how maga thinks not being a maga himself… but i could be wrong.
Conservatives are still mad that Superman fought the kkk.
Which is admitting they side with the kkk, isn’t it
Well, yeah. They aren’t exactly trying to hide their white supremacist tendencies anymore.
If Superman were real, he 100% would have melted a lot of those racist fucks.
If you haven’t, I highly recommend reading “Superman Smashes the Klan.” An all-timer, based on a radio story from 1946, which was honestly its own kind of ballsy.
I like the Nathan Fillion comment during some red carpet interview when the interviewer was trying to egg him into saying something that would get rage clicks from one side or the other of the current political trash fire.
“its just a movie guys”
Superman was not a brooding edge lord until Snyder’s take outside of specific story runs, and it is obvious that a lot of people don’t know that.
Captain Hammer best superhero, who’s with me on this
I so want a sequel to the sing along blog.
Dr Horrible has become obsessed with reviving Penny by turning back time. He doesn’t care how many people need to die, because he believes he can “fix” things. But the risk of time travel is the destruction of the universe…
Captain Hammer, now knowing what pain is, has two choices, grow and overcome the pain, or continue to hide away…
And Penny. The multiple zombies, and clones, and computer simulations of Penny that were never “right”. Well, she too has her parts to play.
That plot was already made by marvel, almost to a T
love it, but it won’t happen.
Dr Horrible was released 17 years ago.
They don’t have a movie but they have a show. Homelander is the perfect ‘hero’ for these people. Only even the dullest dullard in the magat pile fails to recognize the character is evil but they never consider they are the baddies. Edit: fixed spell check.
Highlander? I am not making the connection.
I fixed it. It was supposed to be Homelander.
There can be only one!
(I don’t get it either. Maybe they’re thinking of The Boys, with the character Homelander?)
They confirmed it was an error and indeed meant homelander—you were right. They corrected it. FYI.
Highlander being a hero for the conservatives is an interesting thought experiment though hahaha
If we’re giving them all claymores and letting them have at it it seems okay to me.
People angry that Superman represents kindness
Do these people exist? Is it just one troll, or a significant enough of a population to even give the slightest bit of thought?
Look at how many Americans would voluntarily die themselves just to prevent “unworthy” people from getting free health care.
These people exist.
Pain is the point for them
I frequent dive bars. I have met plenty of people who believe in kindness, and love, and Jesus and shit - but not for immigrants, not for non-white people, not for criminals of any level. I straight up have had these people say this to my non-white face and then say, “oh but you don’t count because you have a job” or “you don’t count because you aren’t a drug addict”. Etc. etc.
These people suck fucking dick and I want them all to die.
It’s fucking ironic too when these same people talk about smoking weed, or stealing from big box stores self-checkouts, or vandalizing some dude’s car.
“Rules for thee, not for me.”
I read local obituaries solely to celebrate when I see some of these people die.
This is dark, but you fuckin do you gurl. Fuck em.
If only the circumstances that spawned them would change too…
I’ve met countless people who hate morals and will tell you you’re an idiot if you treat other humans as equals
No way
Business school and working at large corps. You inevitably meet a lot of those trump and tate wannabes
yes way. I have seen it with my own father. And the saddest part is they got this from religious rightwing media and have never ever interacted or had an opportunity to interact with the out-group that they are told to fear. Oh and, I am not from the 1st world. This shit is everywhere.
humans are just resources to expend and exploit.
It’s one guy making the propaganda right now, but I assure you, in a week, everyone in your family that you try not to talk to will be spouting this horseshit.
Cause Americans are obsessed with Rugged Individualism.
If you are in trouble, you don’t accept help, much less ask for it. You pull yourself up by your bootstraps and turn your fortunes around with grit and determination using nothing more than the loose change in your pocket.
Thats how anyone that needs help became nothing more than social parasites leeching off the rugged individualistic success of their betters.
Thats why Americans, on the whole, have all but erased empathy and good will towards others.
Its why 1/3rd of the country actively votes for weak, pathetic fascists who poorly playact as strongmen. Its why 1/3rd of the country didnt bother voting, because they have no problem with fasciatic strongmen punishing the weak and the other.
The New Religion of the American Orthodoxy is basically “Fuck you, Got Mine”.
Hyper-individualism is a much more modern idea that may have its roots in our founding but it was exploited by capitalism during the post-war financial boom last century.
Before we had media showing us “how it should be” families lived together throughout their lives, communities helped each other and American towns pulled together and helped each other in a variety of ways. The whole idea of single-family homes was invented by the housing industry to get people to buy three to four times as many homes. To sell this they started leaning harder into the idea that you’re the protagonist, you specifically, you are special just for being American, you are special for wanting your own things (that are advertised to you) and so on.
And before industrialized America and throughout the last several hundred MILLENNIA we were a communal species, it’s why we have so much contradictory hard-wiring that influences how we feel about our social standing, about other people’s feelings towards us, why there are so many people who latch onto authoritarians and fear strangers. These are ideas that run in direct opposition to “rugged individualism” and they are clear signs we’re not living the way we’ve been designed by literally millions of years of evolution.
Capitalism has pried apart the very fabric of our species and weaponized it.
The cinematic-repubLkan-universe kindness is weakness… Good doesn’t pretend to be evil. But evil does pretend to be good…ffs, 'the list is on my desk…"
I’m curious how this movie is, I’m used to the older ones and a show called Smallvile.
I did not know there was some anger about this Superman movie. Anyone could quick give me a small summary?
Though bit bummed out that they keep remaking movies and shows instead of making new ones.
Anyone could quick give me a small summary?
James Gunn commented that Superman is an immigrant, and conservatives are losing their minds
People on Facebook are telling me he isn’t an immigrant, he’s from outer space. I’m so confused as to what they think an immigrant is
Literally an illegal alien, and they refuse to see it.
The most illegal alien. Smallville had an episode where Clark helped hide an undocumented migrant. His mom tried to chastise him and he had to remind her his own paperwork is shady as hell.
illegal space alien.
illegal alien
So no Englishman from New York?
Does he like his toast done on one side…?
“Strange visitor from another planet” is one of the first things most people learn about him, right after him being neither a bird nor a plane.
and conservatives are losing their minds
“he can’t be! He isn’t brown!”
Apparently there is a black version of Superman in some comics and they were making a movie of him. Sadly, the movie has been cancelled.
But that’s nothing new. In Smallville there is one episode in which Clark literally said to his mother Martha that he is an illegal alien too.
That’s all? That’s why they’re upset? Sigh, it’s as if someone accidentally farts and then they rage.
Isn’t he kinda right though? If I remember well, Superman came from another planet.
There are two plausible explanations:
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People think immigrant refers to a person who chose to move. Since Superman didn’t arrive on Earth by choice, he’s not an immigrant. This is, of course, incorrect.
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People think the term immigrant only refers to people who look “different” compared to what is common in the region. This is, of course, racist.
If they’re okay with immigrants who didn’t come by choice, then all the children who were brought to America illegally by their parents should be allowed to stay and everyone born in America should be allowed to stay citizens.
As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There’s no Europe on Krypton.
As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There’s no Europe on Krypton.
Now I want an alternate-universe Superman who happens to be black, and lands in racist-as-hell-ville in the rural USA.
he would be a refugee.
Refugees are a type of immigrant though.
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He also said that Superman is kind, and that bothered them too.
He also renounced his US citizenship in Action Comics #900 like 15 years ago.
This movie won me over when I saw Krypto and the fortress Bots. That’s the kind of stuff I’ve always wanted, but then idiots like Bryan Singer and Christopher Nolan (who clearly hate and are embarrassed by the source material) show up and want to make everything dark and “realistic” so characters like krypto don’t make it to the movies. Fuck realism, im watching a movie about a super alien fighting monsters, i don’t want realism in my comic book movies
I like realism. I also like fantasy. It’s interesting to see different peoples takes on these characters imo. I think it would be boring if every time they make a new Superman franchise it was exactly like the last one.
I 100% expected this movie to suck and was even saying up to its release that it would flop.
I’ve seen all the Superman movies since the 80s. And all the TV shows.
This is my favorite movie.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48819895
Some conversations about it here. No spoilers, as of this writing.
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I just came out of watching the new movie.
In the scene in which Clark gets interviewed, seen also in the trailer, it is transparent that Superman is with Francesca Albanese on a very current issue.
That’s what they are mad about.
I guess WB/DC is gonna fall out of grace.
That makes me more interested in watching it honestly.
I am not an American and I have never been a Superman fan. I had fun, I felt represented, I was entertained, cannot wait for a sequel, am looking forward for Peacemaker S2 and whatever else is planned.
Warmly recommended. I really think all Americans should see it, as it may have a very good and stronger effect on them.
I’m out of the loop here. I’ve seen something about the most recent director or writer calling Superman an immigrant, and Dean Cain hating on that take and calling it “woke”. But I haven’t seen anyone expressing that Superman should not represent kindness.
FWIW if you are looking at reviews for an upcoming or recently released movies, and a lot of the comments are calling it “too political” or “woke”, give it a watch and come back with your own review. Those reviews are an indicator to me that it might be somewhat thought-provoking. (or also don’t watch if you have no interest in the subject)
Yes, people are angry that the director talked about Superman being an immigrant (even though he has been from another planet since the character was concieved) and they are also angry about the director saying Superman represents kindness, because apparently just being nice to people is woke now
Sadly not a new issue for Superman. His backstory was even retconned in the comics for a bit to have his spaceship give birth to him so he could be born in America.
What? When? I’m not a Superman fan, but even I know he was born on Krypton or whatever his planet was, and his parents were royalty I think, and they sent him to Earth as a baby to survive, where he was raised by farmers to be a GOOD YOUNG AMERICAN WHITEBOY but then he discovers his powers and thankfully his parents were actually good people and not goddamned nazis and he goes around helping people and fighting his greatest enemy, Lex Luthor that bald guy that represents capitalism whose name is way too close to the Christian devil.
So he’s an anchor baby? The reason we need to repeal birthright citizenship?
I’m seeing comments on Facebook telling me “he’s not an immigrant, he’s an alien from space”. I’m so confused as to how they don’t consider someone from a different planet to be an immigrant
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What was that post from 4chan telling aliens to fuck off, and calling them space [REDACTED]s? Magats are so fucking stupid and evil, that they would tell Superman to fuck off.
But I haven’t seen anyone expressing that Superman should not represent kindness.
Isn’t the take more like “You think it’s super-human to be kind?!?”
this is what those people want.
