I hope everyone who wants to be on permanent DST experiences an eternity of the first day of spring forward, never rested again
Daylight Saving Time just needs to be completely eradicated, it makes no sense in the modern day. The problem is that you have this disagreement over “which” time should be the default, either standard time or daylight time (which Canada/the US spend more of the year in than not).
IMO it should just be standard time, emphasis on the word “standard”. If you want more daylight hours in the evening for events and such, just start things an hour earlier.
It’s also dependent on where you live. Someone living on the easternmost part of a time zone is going to tend to want DST over standard as compared to someone living on the westernmost part. I live in the easternmost part of the Eastern US time zone and I’d pick DST if I had the choice.
East Coast, standard time please.
4:30 sunrise in June just feels wrong to me.
Tbf, 5:00 sunset on standard time is not ideal for me either. But a lot more acceptable than having to suddenly adjust sleep because capitalists want to make more money.
The more I think about it, 8 am sunrise if we did permanent DST in late Dec/early January would be shit too. We should just split the difference, lol
I’m okay with that!
Arizona is used to it. When I drove through in July I swear the sun es already high at 4
You get used it it. Somehow the majority of the world where DST isn’t observed has no problem with an earlier sunrise. Makes it easier to be a “morning” person, if anything.
Makes it easier to be a “morning” person, if anything.
Morning people already get enough perks. Why do I want to help those judgemental pricks?
Because if you want to help them, you give them DST, so the sun can rise an hour into their day. DST literally delays the progress of morning and makes more of it, it makes you get up an hour earlier in the morning.
“East Coast” doesn’t provide enough information. If you look at a map of America and draw a straight line south from the western end of Massachusetts, it doesn’t really touch another state at all, just the ocean. What really needs to happen is that the Northeast needs to be in a different time zone, and then we stick to standard time. But as it is now, it really sucks being in EST in the winter in the northeast, which is why so many of us prefer permanent DST, when given the choice without the option of being in a different time zone.
Split the time zones in half and offset them by an hour.
Permanent DST would be so stupid.
What is “noon” or “solar noon” under DST? Solar noon is supposed to be the time when the sun is at its peak. AM and PM come from ante meridiem and post meridiem, which are basically “before the sun’s peak” and “after the sun’s peak”. But, under DST the peak is at approx 1pm. So, will saying “I’ll meet you at noon” still mean 12pm? Probably, but then “solar noon” will be 1pm but “noon” will be 12am?
If the whole reason behind considering permanent DST that they think the 9-5 schedule of office life is impossible to change? This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
That’s why we have been continuing to change clocks twice a year, because apparently that’s easier than changing the time children go to school.
If you’re only argument is “the sun should be directly up at noon” then we are going to need a lot more time zones.
I’m not only argument.
I also prefer solar noon, but standard time is close enough, and I already said I’m fine with splitting the difference.
Yeah, arguing definitions vs what’s actually practical is a new one for me in the DST discussion. Just goes to show you that people would rather appear right than do what’s useful.
Let’s have a lot more time zones then.
No, let’s do away with all time zones, everyone’s on GMT. Noon stops meaning 12:00 and just means when the sun is directly up in your time zone.
If that means for you noon is 2AM, you start work at 11PM and are off at 7AM, usually going to bed at 1PM when it’s well and dark out so be it. You don’t have to change your clock when you travel, places just say “Local noon is 8PM”.
No, let’s do away with all currency, everyone’s on gold. $1 stops meaning 100 cents and just means whatever the hell it does in the area you’re in.
Ask the railroads how not having time zones turned out.
Nobody schedules things around solar noon you psycho.
I’m sure everyone’s bosses will be accommodating
Abolish bosses
It’s so they can make more money more people die because of time changes, anyway.
Non-starter, according to DST sickos they need that extra hour of daylight to be at a higher number on the clock because of all the stuff they do. As if they weren’t sitting on their asses on the couch 99% of the time either way.
I don’t need the sun to come up at 4:30 in the morning during the summer, and I am a pretty skilled runner. I’m just not a morning person.
People rarely have their bleary eyed shit together before 9am anyway, best save the sun time for off hours.
Hospital and factory workers first shift usually starts at 6:00-7:00.
To work indoors.
Then don’t be. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s completely arbitrary when you get up.
I wish I got to set the schedule to everything in my life
You could just make the numbers be whatever you want if that’s what you need to feel good about the time.
Again, I don’t get to set my own schedule, they’re determined by these numbers that while arbitrary, are rigid. Drop a kid off an hour late to school every day and have fun explaining that to a truancy officer, or tell your boss you’re leaving work an hour early to catch some sunlight and see how that goes.
So drop them off at the same time, but just call it 8 instead of 7. Or is it more important to force everyone else to be on the same arbitrary number as you?
They could just say school and business hour is at 8 instead of 9 from an arbitrary date and have the same effect.
Nah, it’s about outside time. Not being in my garden, on my porch, or just outside in general because it’s dark at 5pm is depressing.
Then get up an hour earlier. I personally can’t relate to feeling depressed because it’s dark out, like a bird having a blanket put over its cage, but I do enjoy the longer, cooler evenings with less UV.
No. Mornings feel like being on the wrong side of the sun.
Just change your circadian rhythms to match morning people’s. Also do cocaine
I’d love an alarm clock that only wakes you once the sun has crossed the meridian, like how navies used to only change the calendar day once they’d turned the glass and struck the bell at high noon.
I don’t know, last time I had a barbecue at 5am no one showed up.
In Seattle, during the summer solstice, sunrise is @ 4:30am with full daylight by 4:50.
Starting things an hour earlier is cutting into sleep time.
<insert almost live sun skit>
I don’t care which way they go. Hell, split the difference and move us to a 30 minute offset if you can’t make up your minds. Just stop changing the bloody clocks twice a year. Please!
No! Split the difference the other way! Make us jump two hours! Show us all how detrimental daylight savings is! Burn motherfucking greenwich to the ground! Or at least let me get some sleep!
This is the way.
Step one: agree that fucking with the clocks is really stupid and codify it into law
Step two: start arguing about which time zone is the “right one”
If you try to do both at the same time, step two prevents both
Split the time zones in half and offset them by 45-60 minutes.
EXACTLY what I always say.
Oh my state passed a law abolishing it but the federal government stopped it. You want to know why? You want to know the stupid reason why the federal government won’t abolish daylight savings? Because polling indicates that half of the people want it gone forever and everybody else wants it there forever.
They literally can’t decide whether to always have the clock one way or the other, so we get to split the difference. I don’t fucking care. Just pick one and stick with it. Everybody has electric lights anyway, it’s the 21st century, we need to move on from this 1700s bullshit.
Counterpoint: the people who want it there forever should just be told that’s what we’re doing, they’ll be back to licking windows before they realize the difference.
I’d settle for the half hour
Exactly, most of us don’t care but there are jobs where it matters, so go with what’s best for them. Construction maybe? Either way, we don’t need majority opinion here.
Then change the hours of the jobs, not the clocks.
That fucks with everything else though, eg childcare.
Great, with scientific evidence backing this we are fucked for ever getting this changed. What we really need is a rising passively racist influencer to get behind the idea to get any support in 2026.
Yep, we’ll probably increase it to 6x a year in retaliation for those eggheads trying to tell us what to do. That’ll show’em.
Better yet hopefully we can get a child rapist or two to support ending dst then Trump will mandate it via executive order
“The Hyperborean Medical Association recommends an end to DST as Vril and testosterone are both depressed if noon isn’t at 12:00 on the equinox”
I’ve also heard from a very reliable source that when children have their sleep disrupted by an hour they are more likely to turn gay.
don’t let trump see this. he will add two extra DST switches per year and rename it
Well they don’t call it Donald Savings Trump for nothing. What better way to honor the god emperor than sacrificing time itself in his name?
(I gagged a bit just typing this, I’m sorry)
Make daylight great again
I honestly don’t care if we choose permanent standard time or DST. Either one would be better than having to switch twice a year. I’ll even propose a compromise: we can try one for a year, try the other for the next year, and see which one works better.
Not doing either because we can’t agree on which one should be permanent seems like the worst option.
In the us your state can choose to do standard time anytimeiit wants. Daylight savings time is allowed in summer only so it is a federal issues and thus much harder to get passed.
I say we just split the middle. Change the clock by 30 minutes instead of an hour and then just keep it there.
We really should just move to permanent standard time, and judging by some of the opinions to the contrary that I’m seeing in this thread, everyone who hates that should either be given a dispensation to move their work shift and bed time back an hour or be placed on a psychiatric hold.
everyone who hates that should either be given a dispensation to move their work shift and bed time back an hour or be placed on a psychiatric hold.
Isn’t the reverse just as true for people who hate being on DST permanently?
No, because their opinion, in differing from mine, is objectively incorrect.
I’ve never seen your face but I’m guessing it’s extremely punchable
Yeah whatever dude, more like fellatio basis
I live so far up north that in the winter the sun rises around noon and sets two hours later.
I literally could not care less which time zone I’m in, the position of the sun has zero effect on my life.
Who makes money off of Daylight Savings Time?
I don’t know, but I know someone is making a fortune off of it somehow and I want to know who. It’s the only explanation
The real question is, how can the rich make money off of changing this? As soon as someone figures that out, I’m sure it will change.
Whoever has a business full of hourly employees that are working during 1-3am and lose an hour of pay.
ughh, I lost an hour of pay working as a security guard to this kind of thinking a while back.
“Oh, we’ll just make up for it in 6 months.”
God yes. I don’t even care which side of DST we land on. As long as we stop changing the damn clock.
Daylight Saving Time (not Savings). Most people get this wrong and I’m not sure why.
Who give a shits?
Intentionally, to bother people who are persnicks about it
I do that alot.
I’m also apart of the annoyance community.
OK hear me out.
Pedants, not persnicks.
No, persnicks. You know how you’re behaving.
Just changing it to noun form, you have a savings account not saving account. Coupons bring you savings on purchases.
We pretty much just use the word saving for computer files, healthcare when saving a life, and fictional heroes. I guess most people don’t think of it as an action to save daylight.
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So go in earlier
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RFK Jr recommends sun lamps during the non-savings hours. Particularly on the arsehole.
I’m pretty sure RFK sleeps under sun lamps, that’s why he looks the way he does.
It’s because he’s cold blooded
I love daylight savings. I count the minutes until it returns. I think it should be permanent, for health reasons.
It absolutely doesn’t matter. What matters is not changing.
The research is in, permanent standard time is healthier.
Edit for the doubters
sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.
Good odds they’re only asking day shift.
What kind of response is that? Night shift workers are a miniscule minority and fucked either way anyway.
Evening/swing shift.
Same response. Like what are you thinking? Fuck over 99% of people for 1%? Correction the 1% is still fucked either way. So it’s fuck over everyone for no particular reason.
They are morons. Because the day didn’t change, only the marker did. So stupid.
Who are you saying are morons here? The doubters or the sleep experts?
The sleep “experts”. Complete bullshit. They could say changing the time causes an issue, but this shift daylight earlier is complete bullshit.
- Because daylight is constantly changing. Millions of people will get nearly an hour more daylight this month alone, because thats the way the earth works. It is rapid increase in the spring, and rapid decrease in the fall.
- Time is artificial. Call it 3 in morning, call it 10 in the morning. It doesn’t matter. A person can get up when ever they want. Their rhythm can dictate it, not the clock.
Morons.
Pick one or the other, but don’t change the time. Either choice is equally as good, there is NO difference.
Think of this way, it’s healthier to rise with the sun. That’s how we’ve evolved for billions of years.
It’s unhealthy to rise an hour before the sun. It’s unnatural.
Call it 3 in morning, call it 10 in the morning.
??? It’s not what we call it. It’s when the sun actually rises. Like it or not we’ve arranged our society to start at 8 am (or 9 am in some places), so no we can’t get up whenever we want.
And you do understand our circadian rythyms are connected to the sun right? The sun dictates our rhythms, not the other way around.
Think of this way, it’s healthier to rise with the sun.
Lots of places don’t have sun at all, or have little sun in the winter. People cannot get up with the sun. Again, the earth is constantly changing what that means, and also varies alot based on where you live.
Like it or not we’ve arranged our society to start at 8 am
No. No we haven’t. People do things at all hours. Also, see the point above.
And you do understand our circadian rythyms are connected to the sun right? The sun dictates our rhythms, not the other way around.
Ok, so get up when that happens if you want. It has NOTHING to do with the arbitrary time we assign to a clock. The day does NOT care what number we assign to it.
Lots of places don’t have sun at all,
So your argument is that because extremes exist, fuck everyone on the planet? Like what kind of logic is that?
eople do things at all hours.
So your argument is that because
extremesvariations exist, fuck everyone on the planet? Like what kind of logic is that?Ok, so get up when that happens if you want.
What? Like I said, we’ve arranged our society around 8 am. The vast vast vast vast vast majority of people have no choice in the matter.
Honestly I’m not sure you understand that we have (had?) aligned our time schedule to the sun. Daylight savings shifts that time schedule to be OUT of schedule to our sun. Yes the numbers themselves are arbitrary, but we have (had?) actually sceduled it to align with the sun. And it is daylight savings that wants to shift that so that we effectively have to get up an hour earlier because work/school starts at 8 am and doesn’t change.
People who know about that than you do say you’re wrong, and what’s more important, I say your opinion isn’t valid, so that’s pretty much putting it to bed there.
You must be a morning person.
I’m not, I hate mornings.
That’s because you’re a hateful person with no joy in your life.
No u
How can anyone not love a long walk as the sun rises? Dawn is excellent and it’s only rival for best time is dusk.
This reinforces permanent standard time. I’d rather have kids going to school with the sunrise than hanging around waiting for the bus in the darkness an hour before sunrise.
Ok, then we change when school is
Good idea, and then let’s start cutting cake into twice as many slices so we can eat twice as much. In reality we should stay on Standard time and school should also start an hour later anyway, because that has also been proven to increase schoolkids’ quality of life.
sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.
That sounds like the talk of a morning person. Bastard. Where’d you find them?
What? It’s the other way around you know. Standard time means you rise with the sun, daylight savings means you rise an hour before it.
honestly i only see dawn from the wrong end these days. sleep deprivation sucks
We can’t help being this way
bring me coffee and all is forgiven
As someone who lived in a country with DST and now living in a country without it, it’s honestly such a pleasure never having to worry about losing or gaining an hour at an arbitrary time of the year.
As someone who hangs out online with people who don’t do DST, it’s really annoying to have to re-learn each-other’s schedules twice a year. Although that’s nowhere near as bad as when I lived in a country with DST and worked with people in the southern hemisphere who also did DST. It would mean that at some times of the year, 9am for us was 5pm for them, so a short meeting was fine. But, other times 9am was 7pm. And then there were the weeks where 9am was 6pm because one side had gone DST and the other side hadn’t yet ended it.
Even worse, the logs system at the company timestamped everything in silicon valley wall-clock time, so there were 3 different time zones at play, which all changed at different times.
Really, I think eventually we’ll all be on some kind of global time system. So, if I say the meeting is at stardate 1230.2 nobody has to convert to their own local clock.
UTC is a thing, commonly used by people who play Eve Online
Yeah, but it’s not widely used by anyone other than computer geeks. Not surprised that there’s a big crossover between computer geeks and spreadsheet pilots.
And military. Yeah, that’s pretty accurate.
The military uses UTC? Not for regular timekeeping I’m guessing.
Military and IT are overrepresented in EVE.
Ah, I see.
I’m so tired of listening to this. Twice a year for my entire life. Let it go people
Yeah, quit trying to fix things! Leave shitty decisions from the past alone!
🫵 10,000 years in the penis explosion chamber
D’oh!
I agree with you. I actually like the change. Not a fan of Bush 2 lengthening DST since it gets out of sync with other countries.
Glad you like it bitch.
- with love the people that are about to die at the next change in your honor.
WTF?!?
