US: bombing multiple countries for decades across the world
China: has not had a war since 1979
Me, very intelligent: actually these are identical!
Ah good old vagueposting. Fuck off, OP
I have seen videos about how they have invested in their cities and public transit and the cheap futuristic cars and rich cousine the people make in China itself. But from I understand now their education system is kind of useless with their entry test forcing people into a certain career they don’t want, so companies hire more on likeability, queer rights is horrible, women’s rights are behind and while it isn’t quite dystopian people are scared to say anything that offends the government. And everyone knows they have the most invasive privacy system, they will even use it for things like knowing automatically that you paid for a train ticket wheb you walk in so it feels like a plus as long as you’re a good citizen. The cost of living compared to wages is definitely lower there right now though, but I don’t think I would ever move to China. Honestly, almost anywhere looks better than the US in the 2020’s. I think Mexico looks better in most places. Europe looks so so much better.
If you can tell me which countries China is setting up neocolonies to extract all their wealth and resources from, please let me know. Whoever made this meme, please educate yourself.
At least China uses the metric system, which makes them better than the US /j
China isn’t imperialist. It seems mutual cooperation with the world, instead of the West’s desire to extract from the Global South, leaving them poor in goods (in/tangible) and services and the West rich.
Once again, neolibs cope that their empire is righteous and excellent while ignoring reality completely.
Same behavior, different branding… people just pick their favorite version 😅
Guys what about China?? Guys OK my country does bad shir but what about Iran guys??? Guys??? What about Hamas guys?? Saddam had nukes guys don’t forget about the tankies??? It’s like feminizm maybe the pendulum is swinging too far the other side guys???
Fuck them both.
How? The US is literally invading Iran as we speak and China is the main country supporting Iran’s right to self defense
Yeah instead of genociding people in other countries they genocide people in their country
Source: the same national news stations that have been denying the Palestinian genocide by Isntreal for the past 3 years. They’ve literally taken off the mask, how do you still believe their propaganda?
We literally have leaked internal files of the genocide yet you’re here acting like the only “source” we have is just a couple of news stations that you don’t like.
Get your head out of your ass just for a couple of moments you disgusting fucking creature.
You are a fucking joke
“LoOk, AdRiAn ZeNz ClAiMs ItS a GeNoCiDe”
If you gave one single flying fuck about the Uyghur, you’d know that the reeducation schools closed years ago and you wouldn’t be propagating CIA propaganda for free on the internet.
But go ahead, keep disseminating CIA-fabricated lies about China while the US supports the genocide of Palestinians and literally INVADES AND BOMBS IRAN, you’re incredibly moral and leftist buddy
Holy hell you’re like a fucking creationist. How funny that you just happened to omit the next few sentences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz#CriticismThe Sky News article you shared doesn’t shed your favorite country in the best light either. Maybe try reading it next time?
But go ahead, keep disseminating CIA-fabricated lies about China while the US supports the genocide of Palestinians and literally INVADES AND BOMBS IRAN, you’re incredibly moral and leftist buddy
So because I criticize China, I suddenly am on the US’s team and can’t criticize them anymore? Is that how this works dipshit?His “research” consists of conflating a reeducation campaign in the context of ISIS-related terrorism with genocide through mistranslation, cherrypicking and bad faith, and the argument is “the birthrates dropped so it’s genocide”. Birthrates dropped because Uyghur used to be exempt from the single-child policy (as all minority ethnicities in China) and when Xinjiang started developing at fast pace in the past decades, birthrates dropped dramatically. It takes 10 times more effort to dismantle misinformation than it takes to manufacture it. Go ahead and visit Xinjiang for yourself, you’re open to do so. Blows my mind that you’d take seriously the interpretation of a radical anticommunist and fringe evangelist on Chinese documents he can’t read himself (he doesn’t speak Chinese).
If you really think a CIA asset cannot take public documents in Chinese and misinterpret and twist them enough with the purpose of manufacturing antichinese propaganda, idk what to tell you.
Zenz’ work has been thoroughly discredited, yet is supported by western media for its utility in fearmongering. An example is lying about 8.7% of new IUDs as 80%, to back up claims of “forced sterilization,” from this chart:
Zenz is a professional propagandist, known for manipulating or falsely representing data, and outright fabricating data to suit his needs. The US Empire spends billions on discrediting China through any means they can. Trusting Zenz and data that comes exclusively from Zenz is not a reliable measure. Further, the Arab League visited China, and found no evidence backing claims of genocide.
I must have had close to 50 tankies request that I say something about Palestine. Is that the only atrocity against Muslims that they care about? Do they condemn a wide range of rights violation anywhere, anytime they happen? I research western China’s ethnic minorities.
Instead of accusing others of the equivalent to creationism, why not instead question the actual christofascist you seem to have absolute faith in providing totally real evidence? Zenz claims he is on a mission from God to punish China. Instead, why not read the UN report as well as (especially) China’s response to it, which eclipses it in size and detail.These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz.
Yeah, same here honestly
This ^^
Good thing I’m an anarchist, I want all states to be dismantled equally ^_^
Communists want all States to be dismantled too, we just understand that this cannot be achieved while world capitalism exists.
And all showers dismantled equally
Based
Equal opposition to all states just shoots yourself in the foot, though. Should we focus on dismantling Cuban and Palestinian statehood with equal measure to the US Empire? If your goal is anarchism, shouldn’t you be focused on the bigger obstacles to that goal?
It’s not that the Palestinian Authority is doing a great job at helping the people on the ground. The Two State Solution (and therefore Palestinian statehood) isn’t liberation either.
Palestinian statehood is necessary for the protection of the Palestinian people against Israel. The “two-state solution” isn’t a solution, sure, but it is better than the current status, and the actual solution is a single Palestinian state until states can wither away.
To be clear: I do rally together with people who want a one state solution because I see it more as solidarity with the Palestinian people and even more as a protest against the involvement of my state in sending weapons to Israel. While I want to abolish all states (and I don’t believe in the withering away narrative), the focus should be my state. Not because it’s the worst but the one I have influence over. I leave it to the Palestinians to protest Hamas and PA, I protest the system that led to them.
Not really sure what you mean by “not believing in yhe withering away narrative.” The basis of the state, ie the political structures for ensuring the supremacy of a given class, is the class struggle. States arose when classes arose, not the other way around. Once a worker state has collectivized all production and distribution, the class struggle gradually dies away, and with it special political mechanisms for ensuring worker supremacy. All that remains is administration and management in a classless society, stateless and all.
Either way, as much as I personally align more with groups like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, I understand that they are a minority faction. Palestine’s path to social progress can only truly become unfetteted when it is liberated from genocide. Palestinians by and large are not protesting Hamas, and the Resistance is largely unified at this present moment against a common enemy.
In that sense, I agree, as activists and organizers outside of Palestine, it’s on us to focus on our own governments for supporting Israel’s settler-colonial project and genocide. The reaction to Israel is created by Israel’s own oppression, this is straight from Fanon’s analysis of nationalist resistance to colonialism. The people of Palestine have chosen the unified resistance, with Hamas as the largest faction, to break free of their chains. Any movement towards socialism will come after breaking free of Israel.
I’m begging liberals to either read theory, study actual material conditions, or just use basic common sense instead of relying exclusively on libertarian brainworms and propaganda.
It is historically impossible for a great people even to discuss internal problems of any kind seriously, as long as it lacks national independence.
An international movement of the proletariat is possible only among independent nations.
So long as Poland is partitioned and subjugated, therefore, neither a strong socialist party can develop in the country itself, nor can there arise real international intercourse between the proletarian parties in Germany, etc, with other than émigré Poles. Every Polish peasant or worker who wakes up from the general gloom and participates in the common interest, encounters first the fact of national subjugation. This fact is in his way everywhere as the first barrier. To remove it is the basic condition of every healthy and free development. Polish socialists who do not place the liberation of their country at the head of their programme, appear to me as would German socialists who do not demand first and foremost repeal of the socialist law, freedom of the press, association and assembly. In order to be able to fight one needs first a soil to stand on, air, light and space. Otherwise all is idle chatter.
- Karl Marx
I’m begging liberals to either read theory, study actual material conditions, or just use basic common sense instead of relying exclusively on libertarian brainworms and propaganda.
That’s totally the language to use when you try to convince people (not to listen to you). What even qualifies as theory? I’m confident I read more books by David Graeber for example. I didn’t read too much JC Scott yet but he wrote a book The Art Of Not Being Governed I heard about where he interviewed and lived with people in the Golden Triangle. You might want to check it out but it might contradict your
holy scripturetheory. Also, I’m sure you heard of Rojava and I don’t think they would do any better if they formed a state. They even went from an ML national liberation movement to what they are now.Literally can’t cite any leftist author on anything ever without people jumping down my throat with this “holy scripture” crap.
You should study Marx regardless of your own beliefs and ideology if for no other reason than how much his ideas have shaped history. You can disagree with him all you like, contrary to what you instantly jump to whenever anyone quotes him on anything, I don’t consider Marx or anybody else “holy scripture” and I’m more than happy to listen to critiques, and make them myself. But you should have a basic familiarity with what he believed and the basic outlines of historical arguments regarding the National Question before dropping uninformed takes and declaring everyone else as wrong. Otherwise, you’re doing the political equivalent of someone who never studied physics declaring that they’ve invented a perpetual motion machine.
Why am I not surprised that that’s the only thing you take away from my comment? Must be all the brainworms at work. You use “theory” synonymous with “Marx” and now you’re rationalizing it. That’s what gives the impression of holy scripture. And for what it’s worth: I think of Marx much more positively than about most of his successors.
Why am I not surprised that that’s the only thing you take away from my comment?
Sorry, what else did you say that was worth responding to?
You use “theory” synonymous with “Marx”
No I fucking don’t. I cited Marx because Marx is one theorist. If I cited Lenin, you’d be accusing me of treating “theory” as synonymous with “Lenin,” if I cited someone like Fanon, same shit.
I’m so fucking sick of you libs acting like this. Like citing a source makes me some kind of religious fanatic. You don’t see me accusing you of worshipping David Graeber or saying that you “treat him as synonymous with theory.” What is it about citing Marx that makes it “holy scripture” but citing Graeber isn’t?
But more than that I’m sick of you lot taking pride in your ignorance and anti-intellectualism. No different than a MAGA chud. You’re not hostile to me because I only read Marx, because I don’t only read Marx and even if I did, there’s not a single thing I’ve said that would indicate that. You’re hostile to me for reading Marx at all. You act like it’s some kind of heretical text that corrupts the minds of all that read it. Or at least, you pretend to, because by lobbing accusations like that, you can avoid any sort of informed, intellectual discussion, and conceal the fact that you don’t know shit about ass.
So congrats, you’ve sufficiently derailed the conversation to cover your ignorance, like y’all always do. Tankies are the only people on earth capable of intelligent, educated discussions because we do the fucking homework and no one else does.
Critical analysis is like critical thought; absent from liberals and anarchists.
Thanks for the post. I got so many tankies blocked
Why would you ever block a tankie?
They’re hilarious. You are no fun
Nah I’m here for entertainment, and seeing other people argue and arguing with people who support concentration camps is just not entertaining to me. Same as transphobes, I’m not going to waste my time with that shit
If you hate concentration camps maybe you should block the libs and their “genocide is no biggie” bullshit.
What do you think Gaza is?
Why do you think I don’t already? This thread wasn’t about that. I try to not even read USA politics discussions right now since it’s such a shitshow going nowhere with everyone blaming each other and not doing anything, but sadly I’d had to block half of this site to avoid it
edit// oh, and if anyone reading these gets pissed at me, just save yourself the trouble and block me lmao. In the internets it’s a valuable skill to learn to walk away
I would be very bored if I did what you do. I don’t argue about many topics (i have a favorite few), but I like to read arguments and learn from them; I also read books and news that I don’t agree with (like The Bible and Mein Kampf).
Takes all kinds, you do you. Everyone has their limitations.
Yeah, I basically do the same, I love seeing people have different opinions and arguments and all that (that’s why I read comments at all). There’s just some topics that drain me too much and a lot of the crowd isn’t even arguing honestly, so it’s not worth interacting with those. There’s nothing I gain from reading tankie propaganda than make myself feel worse, and arguing with them just allows them to spread it even more
It’s not that the west practices “bad imperialism” while China practices “good imperialism,” China isn’t imperialist to begin with. In order to understand why, though, we need to understand what imperialism is to begin with, as well as what causes it.
As capitalism monopolizes, it is compelled to expand outward in order to fight falling rates of profit by raising absolute profits. The merging of bank and industrial capital into finance capital leads to export of capital, ie outsourcing. This process allows super-exploitation for super-profits, and is known as imperialism. The domination of financial capital in an economy is what compels a country towards outward expansion, forcing privatization and market expansion via diplomacy on the one hand, and bombs in the other.
This is undeniably true of western countries, who have reached the imperialist stage of capitalism by around the late 19th century, especially the UK, Germany, France, and the US Empire. After World War II, the US Empire became hegemonic, and the western countries vassalized. What’s important is that none of this applies to China.
China is a socialist country. Public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, it governs the large firms and key industries and dominates the overall character of the economy. Private ownership exists, but is secondary to that, filling in the gaps left behind by the huge state driven industries in secondary and underdeveloped areas, and is folded into the public sector as it grows. The capitalist class is not allowed to gain political power, and the working classes control the state.
The key takeaway here for the purposes of imperialism, is that China’s banks are overwhelmingly publicly owned, as are its large firms and key industries, and thus there isn’t the same compulsion towards dominating the global south for profit. Instead, China has mutual cooperation agreements, such as the Belt and Road Initiative and placing zero tariffs on 53 African countries.
The US Empire alone has hundreds of overseas millitary bases, while China has ~3. The US Empire bombed and destroyed countless countries over the last few decades alone, such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, is embargoing Venezuela and especially Cuba, and more. China is not. The US Empire practices unequal exchange via maintaining monopoly on higher tech, China does not.
China’s position in the global stage facilitates south-south trade, which bypasses unequal exchange, where the global north maintains monopolies on high tech industries so as to consistently charge monopoly prices in exchange with the global south. China charges non-monopoly prices, and this is why exchange with China, alongside the rise of the Belt and Road Initiative, has resulted in dramatic development in African and Latin American countries. This is ultimately the single greatest contributor to the downfall of imperialism globally, and is why right now there is such a large cold war with China.
China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn’t the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn’t to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it’s because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the “debt trap” myth:
There are many more examples I can use. China isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
It’s clear at this point: participation in BRI results in sustained and rapid development and mutual cooperation, and working with the west results in sustained impoverishment. China gains from this mutual cooperation, but so do African countries, and unlike the west China doesn’t force trade at the barrel of a gun. That’s part of why it’s mutally beneficial, and results in development in Africa, vs underdevelopment and western enrichment.
The simple reason why China isn’t economically compelled to imperialize is because it isn’t dominated by finance capital, and thus prioritizes long-term results, as we saw in the beginning. It’s simply better for everyone for there to be mutual cooperation, but western countries are dominated by the profit motive and finance capital, which compels them to take short term gains via looting the global south.
All in all, trying to equate western imperialism with China’s trade agreements and multi-national projects is the height of projection, and highlights an utter lack of materialist analysis.
If those neolibs could read anything not set in Hogwarts they’d be very upset.
China isn’t imperialist to begin with.
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Excellent shitpost, milord!
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Thank you for sharing this information. Living in an imperialist country makes it hard to understand China’s politics and not fall into some of the propaganda against it, even if you’re careful.
You are most likely responding to an astroturf agent 😬 they linked a Chinese (state owned) tabloid as a source on the uyghur genocide being fake. I can link you to the comment if you want I would just warn that they are cleary not trying to convince for the sake of informing people.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by me linking a “state-owned tabloid?” The large majority of sources I link are western, because I know I would get accusations of bad-faith if I primarily linked Chinese or otherwise global south sources (regardless of accuracy, truth, or legitimacy). This character assassination holds no water whatsoever, you can feel free to argue against the sources I’ve linked if you like but making up conspiracy theories about me is low.
No problem! Yea, it can be very difficult, searching in English for example always props up results for NYT, CNN, Fox, etc, and we know how biased these sources are when it comes to, say, Palestine. Understanding how China works is going to be very important going forward.
China is a neolib paradise, regardless of the name of the single party in control. The belt and road is nothing more than a means to extract wealth from and exploit the global south.
okay that seem to be coherent. We are used to define imperialism as “the system produce by the competition between states”. Some domination are note linked (or loosely) with market.
I understand why it’s interesting to focus on things we can fight on. But a lot of us couldn’t fight the financial market and it’s exportation. However we could blockade exportation of weapons, sending medic kit or foods to people that suffer from domination.
I’m not saying your definition is wrong, I’m saying that I found it ineffective for an international solidarity of the working class
It’s beyond me how after seeing the past years of overt Zionist propaganda denying genocide in most western media, anyone here is still willing to listen to western media on international affairs. Like, haven’t you seen them take the mask off already? How are you trusting BBC’s reporting on China?
I don’t get why you’re getting down voted.
Because people need to believe that the racist propaganda they’ve been fed is correct and that their country is still the best and most moral in the world
Because they don’t teach critical thinking in any part of the western world. Capitalism abhors critical thinking in the general populace and requires an unintelligent, unquestioning populace to continue to exist.
What an absurd statement. “They don’t teach critical thinking in any part of the western world”. Are you insane?
My dude half the west believes there’s such a thing as a ‘uyghur genocide,’ half believe Israel has ever been a victim, and most still believe China is somehow a dictatorship despite that being an ancient CIA psyop.
There is no evidence a single person in the west has ever been taught critical thought, how to research claims, or that their government can lie through third parties that they’ve paid.
Just pathetic. Seek help with your xenophobic nonsense.
‘Xenophobic’ my guy a culture of ignorance deserves to be criticized.
Didn’t realize you had a monopoly on intelligence 😁
Got any other blanket statements about “the west”? Should people start making the same comments about your people?
Your little pfp gif always makes these memes even better lol
China: persues peaceful reunification with Taiwan
The West: “LOOK!!! THEY’RE LIKE US! WORSE THAN US!!!” invades nation illegally
Okay, buddy.
China: Doesn’t even consider Taiwan’s right exist and is forcing their unification with aggressive military incursions in their territory.
Tankie like you: ALL WEST BAD, ONLY CHINA GOOD AND EVERY VALID CRITICISM IS WESTERN PROPAGANDA.
Okay, buddy.
China: Doesn’t even consider Taiwan’s right exist
Perhaps
and is forcing their unification with aggressive military incursions in their territory.
Really? Sources please.
You don’t have to be a tankie to recognize that they are enforcing international law. In that context of a civil war their actions are uncharacteristically peaceful.
“ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME MUST BE A TANKIE!!!”
I’m not a Tankie, and you can check through my entire comment history to easily confirm that. I just can’t help but notice that people have been saying “China is about to attack Taiwan any day now” for years and it never comes. Maybe they’re just not as bad as us?
The fact you think china is pursuing peaceful unification kind of outs you. They are not giving Taiwan a choice; comply or face death.
Also I want all nations to behave better, especially Israel and the US right now. I don’t generally think China is bad and the people certainly are not, but bad actions should be called out and criticized regardless of who you are. That’s how we become better people.
Israel: does a genocide
China: flies a plane near a country they’ve been at war with for over 70 years
Liberals: “hmm yes these seem about the same to me”
Who said anything about being the same? Israel is the worst offender in the world.
China is planning for an invasion of Taiwan, so they’re certainly putting together a backup plan in case Taiwan doesn’t agree to become part of China. Doesn’t seem like they’d need that sort of thing if they were being truly peaceful.
It’s also things like your analysis being “flies a plane near a country” that is a sign you aren’t being adequately critical of china and I question your seriousness and reasons.
I mean, seriously, look at this map and tell me how you consider this “peaceful”:
China is planning for an invasion of Taiwan,
Yeah, they’ve been planning to invade next week for decades now…
I mean, they literally are planning for an invasion. Whether they will is up for debate, but they’re definitely designing their naval fleet for it and performing exercises simulationing an invasion.
Maybe ALL imperialism is bad.*
Fucking first worlders, they don’t seem to understand that countries want to be left alone seemingly.
edt: I said the wrong word.
Maybe ALL imperialism is war.
That isn’t even true. Imperialism is often spread through soft power. I thought that was the entire point you were making, that China was exerting soft power in an imperialist manner… if China invades Taiwan, I will be right there with you, calling it out, but history has shown that the CPC is quite restrained, and I see no reason for them to change their approach.
Maybe ALL imperialism is bad.*
Well yeah obviously, no maybes about that. I am not supporting Chinese imperialism in any way. My point is that the US imperialism is unbelievably bad and much worse, and yet people here just can’t accept that very reasonable critique without getting bent out of shape accusing me of all kinds of shit, including that I am a tankie. Y’all need to recognize the mainstream narrative is told to you by the exact same media that have been lying to us all along to push US imperialism. The media is owned by the ruling class. Please stop being so short sighted.
People have been saying that about Russia for many years until it happened.
Unlike Trump, most leaders aren’t rushing into things. They wait until conditions are favourable, and there are an incredible number of conditions to take into account for operations like this.
Other people wrongly believed that Russia, despite having already invaded Ukraine in 2014, that Russia would not invade Ukraine again, for some reason. I am not those people. I am pointing out to you that they have had those favorable conditions already, a number of times, and no invasion ever came. If you want to believe that they just have just one more condition to take into account before invading Taiwan, you have the right to believe that.
But the United States is far worse, and that was my entire point. I don’t want to defend China. Fuck China. But the US has done imperialism for centuries at this point
I guess we’ll see. Their internal rhetoric in regards to Taiwan, as well as their expansionism and unprompted hostilities towards other nations in the region do not inspire me with confidence.
There is a pervasive form of Chinese nationalism and exceptionalism, married with Han Chinese supremacy, woven into their national myth that’s much less blatant and loud than what we’re used to from the US, but it’s there nevertheless and it serves the same purpose.
peaceful reunification
This is top tier trolling, I can’t XD
From the Associated Press, April 10th, 2026:
Taiwan’s opposition leader met Friday with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Beijing’s Great Hall of the People, the first such encounter in over a decade, with both sides affirming the need for maintaining peace around the self-ruled island that China claims as its territory.
Both Xi and Cheng Li-wun, the head of the Beijing-friendly Kuomingtang Party, reiterated they wanted to move toward a peaceful reunification of Taiwan and the mainland, though it remains unclear how they would achieve it. China hasn’t ruled out the use of force and has stepped up its military exercises around Taiwan, sending warships and fighter jets closer toward the island and steadily poaching Taiwan’s few remaining diplomatic allies.
Xi welcomed Cheng and her party’s representatives in the Great Hall of the People, where he usually meets world leaders, to a round of applause from both sides. “The larger trend of compatriots on both sides of the strait walking nearer, closer, and together will not change. This is a historical necessity. We have full confidence in this,” he said.
“Although people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait live under different systems, we will respect each other and move towards each other,” Cheng said, adding: “We will seek systemic solutions to prevent and avoid war.”
This is just the reality on the ground. Neither party wants war. The PRC reserves the right to millitant reunification, but is currently working towards peaceful reunification and simply waiting it out, until Taiwan wants it. The PRC has the luxury of time, here, as the PRC continues to rise economically and the US Empire continues to fall, it will only make more and more sense for Taiwan to want to further integrate with the mainland economically. Until then, the people of Taiwan want the status quo, and the PRC is fine to wait it out and continue to push for dialogue.
First off it’s the opposition leader, not the president, who is vocal about Taiwan remaining sovereign. Second, if I threaten someone with annihilation, and they say “hey we can negotiate peacefully,” and I say sure I’ll negotiate but (in that article) “war is not off the table,” I as the person threatening them with annihilation am not being peaceful here.
Taiwan is governed by the remnants of the former Chinese government, back when they were nationalists. Chiang Kai-Shek and his group fled to Taiwan, murdered the local opposition, and claimed they were still the legitimate government of all of China. The question isn’t if Taiwan is a part of China, but which government is legitimate.
Over time, this has been complicated by the US Empire using Taiwan as a forward operating base. Some want a clean break, some want further integration, but now the majority want the status quo. What is deeply unpopular is war. Taiwan does not want to become Ukraine 2, they do not want the US Empire to provoke a hot war just to damage China at the expense of Taiwanese people.
The CPC in all of this knows that the US Empire is failing, and that Taiwan will be increasingly pressured economically towards reintegration. All they need to do is wait, and they get what they want without firing a shot.
None of this is false but that doesn’t mean China isn’t threatening military action and waiting for their chance to strike. Being peaceful with the threat of force is not the same as just being peaceful, if a mobster says “pay me off if you don’t want any trouble” they’re not peacefully negotiating. To be honest I’m surprised they haven’t taken more action against Taiwan, when trump would probably say “it’s their country, it’s their territory, its rightfully theirs.”
Both governments consider themselves the legitimate governments of China, which includes Taiwan. Wanting to become an independent country entirely is a minority opinion in Taiwan. As such, the PRC as a sovereign nation of course will reserve the right to retake its own territory by force. It isn’t at all surprising that they haven’t taken more direct millitant action against Taiwan, though, for precisely the reasons I have said: they are willing to wait until Taiwan chooses to reunify. They gain nothing by striking Taiwan to take it by force, when they can just maintain the status quo until it works out in their favor.
The reason it’s surprising to you is that you have the assumption that the PRC feels compelled to strike. This is something constantly fearmongered about by the west, but doesn’t actually hold water. By all measures, events seem to be moving in the exact direction the PRC predicts they will, which would make it a mistake to strike Taiwan.
The president of Taiwan was elected with a minority of votes because the two opposition parties that support closer relations with the PRC could not agree on a joint candidate to run. In the Taiwanese legislature the KMT actually holds more seats than the president’s party.
Also the PRC is not threatening Taiwan with annihilation. That’s just absurd. The PRC’s position is that it doesn’t want foreign countries interfering in Chinese political matters. If you didn’t know already, the US intervened in the Chinese civil war in order to defend a fascist dictator and has continued to give the RoC military support ever since. The PRC keeps the military option open as a deterrent against further US intervention not because it’s planning to invade.
as the PRC continues to rise economically and the US Empire continues to fall, it will only make more and more sense for Taiwan to want to further integrate with the mainland economically.
Taiwan has TSMC, they don’t need China.
You can’t pin your entire economy on a single company in a single sector, especially when your performance isn’t certified forever.
Peaceful?
“”““peaceful””“” with a country that wants independence.
Yes, that’s right. The Chinese Civil War never ended, the KMT and the CPC never signed a peace treaty. The fighting stopped because there was no way to take back control of Taiwan without high casualties - on both sides. Since then, the CPC have been committed to taking back control of Taiwan peacefully. At the moment, the people of Taiwan continue to support independence - but also the One China Policy, which recognizes that there is only One China. The CPC wants to re-unify, but rather than doing that by force, they just maintain their position and encourage peaceful reunification. But there are still moments of tension, of course, each tests the responses of the other, the limits of their radar, and so on. But people aren’t dying.
By contrast, the US is carpet bombing Iran, at the behest of Israel, because Iran threatens Israel’s lebensraum ambitions to turn the Middle East into Greater Israel. You really believe China is still as bad as the US? Seriously??
bro, they have said over and over they want to invade, and the Taiwanese don’t want to do nothing to do with China anymore, specially the young ppl, they want to be their own thing.
They’ve actually said the opposite, again and again, that they want peaceful reunification. They haven’t ruled out force, because they’re a sovereign state, and a sovereign state never renounces their ability to use force over the territory they claim. The opposite side does the exact same thing for the rest of China, too.
the Taiwanese don’t want to do nothing to do with China anymore, specially the young ppl, they want to be their own thing.
That’s great! Then they can and should remain peacefully independent, but if that ever changes in the future, then perhaps they can re-unite, assuming that the CPC remains open to re-unification at that point.
“”“a country”“” here meaning about 5% of the people in a country.
100% of the people in a country with everything you would expect a country to have and a strong Taiwanese national identity.
There is no ‘Taiwanese national identity.’ The KMT eradicated what was left of the native Taiwanese population (to be fair that genocide was started by Japan, like nearly all genocides in East Asia). There are no native ‘taiwanese’ left, just primarily han chinese that invaded, eradicated the native population during a civil war, and declared themselves the last bastion of China.
100% of the people in a country
Citation really fucking needed lmao.
Alright, Winnie The Pooh’s anal pinworm.
“I already decided you’re wrong, but I can’t argue with facts, so I’ll insult you instead. I rest my case.”
The person they’re arguing with linked a state owned Chinese tabloid as evidence for their points. I don’t blame for not engaging.
I’m the person they’re arguing with, and no I didn’t? I didn’t link anything, I wouldn’t even know where to find a Chinese tabloid and I’ve never read one!
This was literally the entire exchange:
Again, can you elaborate? I think you’re replying to the wrong comment, harambe69 hasn’t been arguing with anyone, they just posted a somewhat racist comment and left. What “state-owned tabloid” has anyone linked that discredits them entirely?
