Backwater trash policies.
Omg men saw your HAIR! Give me a fucking break. Grow the fuck up and stop acting like children who can’t control themselves.
You can actually go on YouTube and search “Tehran walking tour” or something similar, and like half the women aren’t wearing any head covering whatsoever…
I don’t know if there are different rules for performers, but I am a bit suspicious. Is the guardian trying to drum up consent for restarting the war? I think some skepticism is warranted.
And before y’all downvote me to oblivion for for being a dictator loving tankie or whatever, remember that the Guardian is British corporate media…the same country where protesting genocide gets you charged as a terrorist. It’s not exactly a place where the ruling class has ever given a shit about human rights.
Literally, there’s an incredible amount of footage from Iran where the vast majority of women aren’t wearing anything of the sort. Do just high profile people get targeted?
It’s common for a lot of authoritarian places to have laws that are selectively enforced. Since the enforcement is rare many people don’t bother following them but if someone bothers someone high up for any reason then breaking the law (that tons of other people break all the time anyway) is an easy excuse for the authorities to come down like a sack of bricks with a pretext ready. Being higher profile makes it more likely that you catch the eye of someone who hates you so it can be safer being some random person too low to notice instead. Though higher profile people also have more people ready to defend them generally so if you do get on someone’s list it’s better to have people in your corner who will make noise and maybe get punishment lessened or called off.
Probably trying to make an example out of her. There has been significant public resistance to the hair covering laws in recent years and the government has made various attempts to bring women back under control. But as with all tyrannical governments, if enough people resist, they simply can’t go after everyone.
That’s a good point, bit like the UK with social media posts
It’s the number one perk of being an authoritarian ruler. Your Authority is absolute and unquestionable. Meaning your hypocrisy is sanctioned and allowed. The rules are only enforced to punish the vulnerable. Whether it’s Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping. The rules are flexible if not invisible until the moment you cross leadership. Then they will descend on you feigning morality.
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People have increasingly challenged the “modest dress” mandates over the past decades, but there used to be a “Guardian Patrol” that would try to enforce modest dress in public spaces. After Mahsa Amini’s death the Guardian Patrol was shut down, and there was a massive increase in women skipping head coverings, in particular in larger cities like Tehran and Esfahan.
However, skipping modest dress in media is a different matter. It has become laxer, but not by the same extent. The religious leadership is extra sensitive about modesty in music, so I think the context of “singing for men without head covering” is the signal here.
I’d also mention that there will be a lot of backsliding of these hard-won victories with this war, as ultraconservatives are gaining a lot of power and legitimacy.
Everything I’ve seen from The Guardian is reputable.
I know before the war started, I read some coverage from the Guardian of the protests in Iran that was leaning pretty hard into some lurid details and leaving out relevant information that didn’t suit the narrative.
This was in qom which seems like a overtly religious backwater
I agree but I wish people would act this way towards western modesty laws as well.
We’re not great, but we don’t publicly torture women for not covering their heads…
I’m not going to defend their bs, but let’s not pretend that puritanical views on female (reproductive and otherwise) morality aren’t killing people in places like the US.
We kill women for having a uterus, not for appearance. Look at the supreme Court’s garbage triggering abortion laws across the country. There is a death toll.
We aren’t exactly doing great in the west.
My BS? This is exactly what I’m talking about. Western governments need to be shamed too.
I believe the “their” there was referring to Iran’s BS, not yours
It is because that is the behavior being questioned, and it was trying to make it clear that I had no interest in glorifying it in any way.
Oh. Well that’s a weird thing to say because I don’t think anyone is defending them but OK.
That is exactly what I was doing.
Yeah I agree. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying though, I’m still unsure.
It’s cool. Happens to me late at night.
Which people? Pretty sure you’d find lots of people doing just that, mostly those who are criticizing policies like the one in the article as well.
In my experience many of the most strident critics of hair coverings refuse to see the similarity to anti-nudity laws, especially nipple covering which is specific to women.
I mean I think the downvotes speak to the fact that the average person is not willing to admit the harms that our own ideas of modesty cause.
Or they think you’re using whataboutism to make it about an issue your personally care about instead of the still very real issue conveyed in the article.
I can kind of see that criticism but I think talking about our own issues and hypocrisy here has relevance here. We do very similar things in our countries and there’s very little fuss about it.
And I did acknowledge that I agree Iranian morality policing should be condemned, so it’s not like I’m trying to defend them, just talk about a related issue.
Then maybe don’t make your statements “Yes… but”, make them “Yes, and”. It makes it less about how you think people should be worried about your issues and simply brings up a related issue as well.
And, again, it’s not like people don’t care. Just like it’s not that people don’t care about the climate crisis, economic inequality, or health care… it’s just people only have so much energy to give. And the current systems we live in do not provide room for an overabundance of sharing it.
A nice little reminder that, even with everything else, Iran is still a shit hole.
That’s right. Trump shouldn’t have started a war with Iran, but it’s still a shithole country.
Imagine being such a shit hole that the world is rooting for Iran.
This mentality exhausts me. If people can stop treating geopolitics like a fucking sports match that would be great. We don’t have to root for anyone in a given conflict. We can acknowledge both sides are bad and not matter the outcome it will be bad for common people.
If we ever are able to do this we might actually have some progress. But until then we continue to worship inherently evil states
Imagine being so morally bankrupt, you can’t pick a side. It’s called critical support. I don’t support the actions of the Iranian state, but I support them in their defensive war against the global hegemon.
Funny how your type will double down on how there’s no moral choice between democrats and Republicans
Yet somehow you can find the “moral” choice between a theocratic dictatorship (also capitalist btw) and an imperial nation.
A) nobody mentioned any political party affiliation; if you want to fight people you’ve made up in your head, I recommend some grippy socks.
B) nobody has to support Iran. People support peace, which by definition means opposing the US in this conflict. Seeing as how this conflict literally has 2 sides, that definitionally means “supporting Iran.” If anything, YOU’RE the one boiling a desire for peace and stability down to “team sports.”
a) it’s an example to illustrate a point. You only have to be a very moderate lemmy user to know what I’m talking about.
b) The first sentence was correct. The rest you made up, but that’s okay you are right for the most part. Unfortunately some people don’t just mean supporting Iran in terms of the conflict with the US/Israel. If you look at the comment that I replied to you can see the user says that Iran should be supported because they oppose global hegemony. That extends far beyond the recent conflict.
In their mind the USA is the “enemy team” so whoever is up against them they will then be the “good team”. That’s exactly what the person I replied to is saying. It’s frankly sad and morally bankrupt.
Well said. Critical support for the defending nation doesn’t mean total support for the government.
Death to America.
Lmao, campism is for losers. Get on board with the west being the best or fuck off to whatever illiberal shithole you prefer.
Die, fascist.
How confrontational, you people really are just the most sanctimonious skin suit wearers on the planet. Makes the fascists look downright noble by comparison, at least they’ll stab you in the front.
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Get fucked, idiot. There’s no evidence that iran was actually close to getting nukes. Trump was just a massive cunt in starting a war with Iran.
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Oh hey an actual fascist on lemmy.world. I’m so shocked this keeps happening. Reddit is back the way you came, I can promise you weren’t banned for your views.
Morality laws are stupid, in any country.
True, and this country in particular has some of the worst ones to exist anywhere.
This is the regime all these Iran apologists on Lemmy are rooting for. There are no good guys in this war.
Shitty, aboslutely.
How many American school children have Iran bombed?
Dont try to give America a free pass by diluting the narrative.
Please cite the part where I gave America a free pass.
Please cite those Lemmy users rooting for women to be lashed for singing
Apparently you’re trying your very best to defend Iran here with multiple comments under mine. And nowhere have I said people were rooting for women to be lashed, my dear straw man. I said they were rooting for the regime.
People are not rooting for Iran, but more like everyone knows attacking Iran is illegal and distraction from the Epstein file. This made Iran look like a less shitty looking shit.
Who was rooting for the regime? Who?
I think people were rooting against the US/Israeli aggression, not particularly for the Irani regime.
Of course! Tell that to the guy I was replying to
Yeah but OP is similar to those who were against Israel bombing Gaza as being “anti-semetic”. If you think Iran shouldn’t be invaded by America Illegally, you clearly defend and support the Iranian regime.
Literally single context / single brain cell thinking. Not a complex thought in that head.
So two extremely cherry picked users = the entire Lemmy community?
You don’t got a lot going on in that head of yours, eh?
Where did I say it was the entire community LOL?
Nice straw man though
This is the regime all these Iran apologists on Lemmy are rooting for.
And how, in your mind, does that say it’s the entire community?
There are no good guys in this war.
I am 14 and this is deep
Good for you man
There will be protests and I’m hopeful she won’t actually face punishment.
This is why I’ve emotionally divested myself from anything involving the middle east. No matter who you support you are supporting evil.
All I care about now is the economy specifically getting that strait opened back up. Right and wrong takes a back seat when nobody is right.
Reason cannot be on the side of those who act in contravention of international law.
I spent my formative years living in a pretty poor small town that is disaster prone where I woke up in my bedroom being flooded. The adults in the house love watching primetime news and thus at an early age I am exposed to politics and news about murders and so on. It’s not that I don’t care, I really do because my parents and having been raised Catholic taught me empathy, but the wars and killings (although I’m aware that the rate of homicide is gradually decreasing over the course of human history) has become non-news to me. So I have been made aware early in life that not everything is always roses. There are something’s one cannot have control of but i participate in things I could change like with protests, even if it’s little. But broadly speaking, I am desensitised of the news on the conflicts in Middle East or Africa. So when the market reacts, I’m like: “how are you guys not used to it?”
You can totally be against a regime that tortures it’s citizens, and still wish that same country doesn’t have it’s schools bombed by outside sources.
Obviously, that is what I want as well, as does every sane person on the planet. But those are not the ones I am talking about.
And what is the difference between them and the other countries in the Persian Gulf that leads Trump to regard some as friends and others as enemies? 🤔
What does that have to do with anything? When was Whataboutism ever an argument?
Well, Iran had a democratic government before the U.S. and U.K. orchestrated the coup in 1953 that installed the Shah. The government was led by Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, who was democratically elected and nationalized the oil industry.
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I like this extra information. Why do you have a problem with it?
Hey, they never said they had a problem with it. They just asked for a connection back to the subject.
I like the idea of remembering history and who the real villains are. These scum are just a result of American work.
Ah, but the Americans are only there because of the British. And the British, only because of the Normans.
Or were you hoping to stop history wherever supports this conclusion?
I heard this too but what was the justification for deposing that guy and installing the shah.
Isnt that basically an execution by torture? I dont think anyone could survive 74 actual lashes if they do it like other countries with lashings.
My understanding is that it is not. It is more like a humiliation ritual. They don’t do full force.
They don’t whip them like the Americans whipped their slaves.
Thank God you’re here to tell us the correct way to whip our troublesome women 🙏
Yeah they’re both bad. One killed 100,000 or more people. Guess which one.
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40,000!? Lmfao. Next week it will be 100,000!
Pssshh, they‘ve read it in the Guardian, so it must be true.
Lmao.
Good thing we’re about to give them a half a trillion dollars. Goddamn the entire world sucks.
little men will do anything to stay in power.
Shithole country doing shithole things.
At least they uphold their laws, even if they’re religious trash. We can’t even get Trump out after two impeachments and evidence he’s a pedo. So who’s worse, a country with extreme religious laws that actually enacts said laws or one with much more reasonable ones but never enforces them.
Enforcing shitty laws is shitty. And you’re right: both are shithole countries doing shithole things.
Por que no los dos ?
This is not acceptable. As I started muttering, I was asked if the US is actually really much better. It might not be so terrible yet, but overwhelming the same direction
there is a flood of anti Iran media and news lately after the US got Cuck Sucked any one in Iran can confirm this , as I know Twelver shia’s and Iranians don’t do lashes especially such a weird number 74
mostly fake …
74? That seems like an example is being made.
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Yep. All of the sudden, the “great satan” stuff seems a lot more credible, and anybody who was calling for detente with the West looks really foolish.
On the other hand, there’s a lot of fresh faces at the top of the hierarchy now. Maybe gradual reform will be more possible, whenever this chapter of history ends. For now, 74 lashes for the celebrity, so nobody forgets who makes the rules.
And Trump made this mob the underdog with his war on the Epstein files. What joke! If Trump had ignored that madman in Israel the popular unrest may have made a difference but as it is, the hardliners have a strengthened hand.
I don’t think that’s an accurate title for the piece they wrote.
Mission accomplished!?
74000 lashes for that government
