Ooooh nice, so they’re effectively going to decide if they get to actually run concentration camps in an official capacity. Delightful.
Also, I don’t expect ICEatzgruppen to abide by the court order if it doesn’t go their way
Don’t worry the court will write out an instruction manual of loopholes and how to exploit the loopholes if they do rule against it
Emil Bove is the person that floated the idea that they simply not abide by the courts. Seems important for later.
Everything the Nazis did was legal under German law. They were meticulous about renewing the Enabling Act multiple times.
Don’t the US already hold people indefinatly in Guantanamo Bay?
Not endorsing the interpretation at all, but the idea with the people in Gitmo is that they were “combatants” from a “war” and were therefore prisoners of war and subject to a different set of laws. The whole point of putting them in Gitmo was to avoid the legal complications of the domestic American justice system.
Conversely, immigrants are, by definition, inside of the United States and therefore protected by American laws. At least that has been the case historically. The court is going to determine if that is in fact the case.
And yeah, we all need to be worried about an interpretation that being in America somehow does not place a person under the justification of the American justice system and all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
And Republicans have already tried calling this a “war” on illegal immigration so that we can treat them as enemy combatants.
The difference that still matters (for now) is that the US justice system applies in the United States, regardless of citizenship, war, or anything else.
Gitmo detainees were strategically never brought into the US. NSGB is a naval base that’s leased from Cuba and is explicitly not territorial ground of the US, so detainees there are not protected by US laws, but the adversarial relationship with Cuba also keeps the host country’s laws from applying.
It’s pretty much the only place the US permanently controls where there are no civil protections at all for detainees.
And yeah, we all need to be worried about an interpretation that being in America somehow does not place a person under the justification of the American justice system and all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
The Constitution references “under the jurisdiction of the United States” so if they do rule that these people aren’t entitled to Constitutional rights, I’m curious how that doesn’t also mean that these people are immune from US laws too. You can’t claim these people aren’t protected by our laws while also claiming that they’re subject to those same laws.
You can’t claim these people aren’t protected by our laws while also claiming that they’re subject to those same laws.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Historically “not under the jurisdiction of the United States” meant exactly what you think it meant. It meant that they were not subject to the laws of the US and was a status commonly called “diplomatic immunity”.
I agree with your conclusion that people cannot be both immune from rights and subject to law, but sadly the courts have disagreed.
No, they purposefully avoided actual prisoner of war status, as that has legal consequences.
Thats only temporarily indefinitely
Trans people are next. They are trying to bring back psychiatric detention and calling Trans people mentally ill.
I’m not sure if transgender people or “antifa” is next. I think “antifa” because that allows them to classify any dissent about anything as supporting terrorism (NSPM-7 executive order). That would be more efficient at removing dissent, then when there’s no way to speak out, they’ll go after transgender, socialists, eventually gay/lesbian, anyone who’s not white.
aka the Nazi’s list of enemies
Yes but also anyone that doesn’t like Trump will be accused of derangement syndrome. We’re all on that list
You can already be found not criminally liable and be sentenced to indefinite psychiatric hold instead of prison.
No one should get treated like this but additionally. What’s to stop them from grabbing citizens and claiming they can’t verify their identity and holding them indefinitely?
Literally nothing.
Well at some point the camps will become overcrowded and they’ll want a solution that’s a bit more final.
That’s what all the industrial biowaste incinerators they’ve been buying are for.
The answer has always been no. Whoever’s asking the court for this is who we should be worried about.
My prediction is that SCOTUS will defy the Constitution.
The answer is an emphatic no. This shouldn’t even be a question that needs asked.
I don’t even know why they bother pretending they have laws anymore. No one on the outside buys their bullshit and their loyal zombie hordes will bend over for any reason. It’s just a silly larp now.
We still have laws.
The laws are whatever trump wants them to be, when he wants them to be them.
so like calvinball?
We have “contract law” now … but no actual justice system.
Its time to scrap it and rebuild. Even the money is worthless now.
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The laws still exist for us, what you described is for the owner class
Oh, you mean the treasonous Supreme Court?
It’s OK! The CONSTITUTION is CLEAR that this is Illegal and the Robert’s Republican Supreme Court is KNOWN to UPHOLD the Constitution and NOT whoever gives them the BEST Vacation!
Your account on the other instance (world?) was wittier, it seems.
Nazi working their way around
arnt they already, and its not even likely they are instructed to listen the supreme court anyways. so its fair game if they get the same response.
Time to allow the racists to do something else unethical because you could technically interpret a 250 year old document in a way that allows for that, even though everyone that’s not a bigot knows what the decent decision should be and that document could be interpreted that way as well.
how long Immigration and Customs Enforcement can keep lawful permanent residents in immigration detention without any opportunity to post a bond.
How is this even up for discussion? If they’re legal permanent residents, they shouldn’t be detained at all, and should have the right to sue if they are. Fucking hell, America. Get your shit together.
You should all be rioting in the streets, but you’re too fat and stupid to do it.
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It’s ironic.
Like a death row hard on. Two minutes too late.
Just order extra sides for your last meal, should be enough time to crank one out over a ramekin of cole slaw.
That’ll convince them! Insult them! Be a literal piece of shit about it! That will definitely change things!
Just another terminally online ML ignoring material conditions and doing the woke scolding that libs love to do.
Libs love deepthroating trump cock. Schumer was holding back tears when he brought up a ceasefire. I’m saying take up arms and fight for your country. It’s not my fault you fail to see the difference.
I’m just saying you could use theory to make a better argument then “libs eat cock”. I believe in you
Why waste the energy?
Problem. They outgun us. Other problem, they’d know immediately and just shoot the guy in charge. Other other problem, noone in any country touches grass enough to have real world friends to organize with
It’s soooo haaaardddd :(
Nothing else seems to be working.
Bullshit. Your entire comment history is just hatred and insults toward Americans. Zero room for understanding. No real suggestion from how you talk about them that you’ve even tried. You don’t want to make change. You want a punching bag. You love that the US is coming apart at the seams. Nearly 5% of the global population and you just want them to burn as a society. 350 million people and you have it in your head that not a single one of them is even fighting. People protest every damn day but you’re upset because you want to see blood.
You’re a sick person. Front row seats for the gladiator show, angry that we’re fighting missiles with words.
I honestly believe that most non-Americans are simply not capable of grasping just how large and populous this country is.
They comment from a tiny island they’ve never left, like Britain and think it must be similar here. Not realizing that it’s a landmass the size of China with over 350,000,000 people. 50 different states with very different laws, broken into literally thousands of municipalities that also have their own laws…
They have no fucking context or perspective.
I hope that makes you feel better. Good luck when the shit goes down. Power to the people.
The propaganda and surveillance apparatus that has been worked on since 2000 has made that possible. The liberals have been really good at dismantling protest and criticism of the government and rendering it moot.
Look up at the massive amount of bills being pushed to basically censor the entire internet.
Better act fast then.
I don’t think we have a choice.
I know you don’t. Good luck with the resistance.
Yeah! Let me do that! Don’t go to my job so I can riot - someone else takes it so they can eat and pay their bills while I scream into the void in public. Lose my job immediately. Lose my house, my car, my health insurance. Can’t eat. Nowhere to sleep or wash myself or my clothes if I still have any, no other jobs to be had for months and months, maybe ever. No energy to even riot anymore. Damn, sucks that I’m too fat and lazy to get the ball rolling on this impeccable plan!!
Sure, fascism is definitely easier than that. Good luck, I guess.
A hyuk hyuk so helpful.
Don’t fucking talk to us about fascism, we’re living it every day.
Should have stayed home and watched DirecTV
Thank you for contributing to this thread, Nonconfrontational
Thanks Seth. Sometimes the truth is painful.
Which country? I’m assuming one of the five eyes or seven eyes countries?
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They asked what Five Eyes or Seven Eyes country you’re from. Seemed pretty clear to me.
Oh, nah.
