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I doubt individuals are that big a deal in history. If Hitler hadn’t done it probably somebody else would have done it.
Then again, the Norman Conquest of England was really just a succession crisis between three cousins mostly called Harold, but if it fell a slightly different way you don’t get French as the language of the English nobility and possibly no Hundred Years‘ War (though I like to think we’d have made any excuse to fight the French).
The bitter European state rivalry also lead to industrialization. The particular sequence of necessary things like a shortage of expensive labour, wet coal that needed constant pumping, an arms race with other European powers (Whitworth rifles, screw threads, standardization, his micrometer, boring breakthroughs. Uh, I mean boring as in hole boring) and then finally the Newcommen steam engine which was truly revolutionary but was also utter shit.
James Watt’s improvement of the Newcommen engine sparked the steam era. Also with heavy machinery we got the Bessemer process for mass steel making that was good enough. Puddling furnaces or crucible steel were something you did if you needed better control.
All of that shit was to spite the French. And the Spanish. And the Germans. And the Italians probably, maybe even the Greeks? Who knows. It was these interstate rivalries that created a tech arms race and now we are where we are.
go further back, kill alexander the great no HRE, none of their bastard splinter empires, we all end up speaking mongolian cause the Khan faces far kess resistance invading europe
I was actually just thinking about this earlier today, but I would go back further. Kill Leonidas, the Greeks never unify against the Persians, who claim all if Europe and allow local cultures/religions to self-govern. Celtic civilization thrives in western Europe, Gothic civilization in Northern Europe, all the other early European cultures never get replaced by Roman and later Catholic hegemony.
In fact, Catholicism never exists either because Jesus was born in a Persian Levant where he is promptly recognized and deified as a god-king instead of being crucified, whereby he imposes socialist utopian rule where bigotry, hypocrisy, cruelty, and greed are basically the only things that aren’t allowed.
Persia, reaching the Indus Valley civilizations and the himalayas, has early contact with Buddhism which merges with Zoroastrianism and Christianity into a syncretic religion where do-no-harm and relieve-suffering are the supreme axioms.
When the Mongols reach them, they’re welcomed with open arms, who then convert readily to this altruistic faith. As Buddhism spreads into China it carries this cosmopolitanism with it, and as they’re never colonized by the British they face no humiliation or embarrassment, there’s no need for a cultural revolution to undo the harms of capitalism, no need for a communist revolution because socialism has already spread from early Christianity on the wings of Persian tolerance.
Basically, world peace that will never be destabilized.
Even further back and kill an innocent fish.
If anything, Hitler cemented that fascist rule was a bad thing since he also carried around the baggage of intense racism.
Seems like fascism was reasonably well received by the world of interwar period (at least in the west). Its primarily because they Nazis did a genocide that we associate fascism with “the big bad” in modern times.
I don’t doubt that the Weimar Republic was headed to fascism, but if they’d had a more rational leader, it would probably have been a slower/steadier boil that didn’t kick off WWII for a few extra years + was more content to rest on its laurels (i.e. content with dividing Poland, taking the Sudetenland, etc) with significant breaks between claims.
I think this all culminates in a more sympathetic looking Germany post WWII (if it even becomes a World War), which then changes the dynamic of modern Neo-Nazi movements (probably less racist, less overlap with confederate sympathizer movements, more political reformation focused).
Idk, its interesting to think about.
Ehhh, this reeks of “benevolent dictator,” sure it sounds legit, but it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and doesn’t have any historical precedent for a reason. Fascism, by definition, is reliant upon internalized violence against its own population to maintain in groups and out groups and to keep the in groups in control. Sure you can have out groups that aren’t defined by race, but you’re still, very deliberately, going to have large groups who are made to suffer needlessly in order to be a boogeyman and scapegoat whenever anything bad happens.
Society in general was pretty cool with racism.
It was kinda hard to prosecute the holocaust because they couldn’t lean too hard on the fact it had been done to Jewish people because then the general public might actually support it.
Really? That’s not my understanding of the whole ordeal. Dont suppose you have any resources in the pocket on that specific aspect of things?
I’d probably start at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism
At least, we would have have much less losers walking around that look up to Nazi losers.
US stays isolationist
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US takes Canada
Which one is it?
If WWII never happened, the US never would have built up bases all over the world nor would they have been able to get the head start on pushing American manufacturing standards as ISO standards (due to being physically removed from the conflict in Europe). In that case, the US never sees the boom that it did from those situations, and never would have nearly as much economic, military, or social power as it did from being involved in the war.
How they would manage to take over all of north and south America in that situation is beyond me. Clearly written by someone who believes in American exceptionalism
Also, scientific papers would be as likely to be published in German or French as in English, and when computers appear, technical terms and keywords would probably not be in American English. This universe’s equivalent of FORTRAN or the UNIX command line may be based on German grammar.
US likely would have had a civil war without WW2
Good point.
I heard a podcast recently (99% invisible) that talked about how the “60 degree” screw became standard in the world. Before that, there were many competing types of screw, which meant that there were all kinds of incompatibilities.
What they mentioned only in passing was that the British Empire already had a standard at 55 degrees. At that point, the British empire was huge. The smart thing to do would have been to simply adopt the British standard and make it the worldwide standard. Instead, the US forced the rest of the world, including the whole British Empire to adopt the new standard.
I imagine if the US hadn’t entered WWII the world might be using German standards, or it might be using British Empire standards, or maybe even Soviet standards, but it definitely wouldn’t be using American standards.
Forced is kind of a strong word. The US was the first to a strong independent standardization system, even though other countries had some individual standards. The US system was effectively the inspiration for ISO in the first place, as Hoover started the US system in the 30s.
The catalyst was that American manufacturing was removed from the conflict, so the US was in the best position to become a world supplier of anything it could manufacture. Especially arms and planes etc. Everyone knew what a pain in the ass sharing arms and vehicles during WWI had been because of the lack of standardized parts, so the allies were already primed to pick a standard either way. The reason the US became the standard is because situationally it became the largest supplier of goods, and also because it had already spent thousands of hours more time on committees to decide why its standards should be what they were. Other countries hadnt done much of that legwork, nor were they risk free areas to produce things in
Bonus cat fact: Hoover had a cat that he named “Mr. Cat”
LOL, America’s Hat doesn’t count as a real separate country, silly!
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(The sentiment expressed above is in furtherance of a bit and does not reflect the actual opinion of the commenter.)
…get on the floor, everyone do the dinosaur.
*walk
Fuck
Literally 1984!
Also now no-one knows who the hell Hitler is and you’re just some crazy asshole who killed a baby for no apparent reason.
> no red alert timeline
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Shut up, tankie
I have you labeled as a scumbag from almost a year back.
Imagine running into you again and you live up to the moniker.
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That was a very very very interesting thought experiment and a very satisfying explanation for questions like “why did God create Hitler,” if you’re religious. Truly we cannot decipher the tapestry of history except for from the other side.
EDIT: while it’s true that someone else would have taken Hitler’s place, it’s clear that the premise of this greentext is actually “what if Nazi Germany never formed”
You were supposed to go back in time and kill Hans Sprechter.
Without the distraction Asia and the USSR slowly grind each other to pieces
