• Big_Boss_77@lemmy.world
        74·
        il y a 15 jours

        Left a job of 10 years, project lead senior engineer, because fuckers FAFO’d an RTO. Of a team of 5, I was one they expected to stay because I was “close to the office”. I was the first one to find a new, full time remote job.

        Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    • SorryQuick@lemmy.ca
      4·
      il y a 14 jours

      How is that bullshit? People do like to give promotions to other people they like, sometimes irrelevant of talent. Look at literally all non-democratic governments.

      And it’s no secret random conversations not about work happen a lot more in person. These are the kind of conversations that make friendships, not the 1 on 1 with your manager on teams.

      This is why most sane companies don’t force you to do 4 days but instead make it so that if you only have to do 2 days at the office, they’re the same 2 days of the week for everyone to avoid the situation in this post.

      • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
        5·
        il y a 14 jours

        So incompetent management promoting the people who suck up to them (their “friends”) rather than based on results and how well people are competing their tasks.
        Sounds like a shit company/manager to work for. Better off finding another job.

        Also, people tend to get promoted faster by switching employers. Don’t fall for the lie of “company loyalty”.

    • stickyprimer@lemmy.world
      3·
      il y a 13 jours

      I’m sure there is a little truth to it sometimes but one big thing this ignores is that many of us have always had remote coworkers because our employer has multiple offices in different cities, countries, and continents around the world. I’m not worried about someone who’s in the office with my boss passing me by because that’s a tiny minority of everyone we work with anyway.

      Interestingly, this is also why WFH has held up at the company where I work. Even when you go in to the office, you spend half the day on zoom. Our company has consolidated floors, closed whole offices and entire campuses to reduce the amount of real estate it pays to maintain. There’s a lot of savings in it for them. And our CEO has said that he likes how remote work makes it trivial to get the entire leadership team together for a conversation because they aren’t all flying around the world constantly, inaccessible for days at a time because they’re traveling. They do make in person visits, but don’t live on planes like they used to. They also did the math and they exceeded their 10 year goal for climate reduction overnight just by going to remote.

      There are so many benefits for the company as well as the employees that I’m really confused why some companies go all RTO. Probably they just don’t have good systems in place to know who’s doing their job. We do.

  • Boozilla@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    143·
    il y a 15 jours

    Whoever came up with this has probably always used ‘optics first, actual results last’ in their shitty career so far.

  • soratoyuki@piefed.zipEnglish
    117·
    il y a 15 jours

    Not having a conversation with my supervisor for months at a time is literally the dream.

    • GroundedGator@lemmy.world
      2·
      il y a 13 jours

      If I didn’t have to explain the same exact shit I did last week in the 4th different way and have you still not understand, BUT still want to…

      I appreciate that you want to understand, but I recognize you won’t and that is okay. You don’t need to know the details to take credit for the work. Your insistence to understand is wasting all of our time and most of my productivity.

  • Vanth@reddthat.comEnglish
    106·
    il y a 15 jours

    Promoted twice since I last saw my boss in person. I asked him if would see any issue himself or for the company if I relocated myself back across the country closer to family; he was confused as to why I even asked.

    He’s not even a particularly good boss in most ways, but tons of people want to work for him because he stays the fuck out of their way.

        • TaterTot@piefed.socialEnglish
          30·
          il y a 14 jours

          Honestly, this is the real underrated trick. A great manager removes blockers. Their job is first and foremost to get shit off the train tracks.

          • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.socialEnglish
            21·
            il y a 14 jours

            I had a manager who wanted to know what we did. Understand it. Really get into the info, because only then could she really lead us, she thought.

            Worst manager I had for a long while. She didn’t understand anything and was easily annoyed by it. We were software engineers, she some media marketing whatever person. That ain’t gonna happen.

        • OwOarchist@pawb.socialEnglish
          8·
          il y a 15 jours

          Yeah. The one time you actually need a manager is when you have some fuck-up of a coworker who’s making things worse for everybody.

  • DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works
    102·
    il y a 15 jours

    The secret to this is not believing in the promotion fairy.

    If you want a promotion, apply for it at another company. If you get it, awesome, if you don’t, try at a 3rd company.

    At my current job, the agreement is I do the job you hired me for, and you give me the money and benefits we agreed upon.

  • NekoKoneko@lemmy.world
    77·
    il y a 15 jours

    All I see reading this is that managers and CEOs have never reached the object permanence phase of brain development, and need to be constantly visually reminded their employees exist or they’ll never promote them regardless of the work they do.

    But then, I guess no manager of a multi-office company has had a team member in another location prior to COVID, so how could they possibly have planned for what to do in that situation.

    • shads@lemy.lolEnglish
      8·
      il y a 14 jours

      My first thought was, how do you work at a company with literal toddlers at management level and above and expect it to end well? I just started at a job where my boss is planning on slowing down and stepping back. A key part of getting the job was a willingness to work independently and with little to no direct supervision.

      But then my boss is in touch with his business and aware of what’s happening without having to actively spy on us. Also finding he loathes progress reports for the sake of progress reports. I’m still adjusting to no longer being actively micromanaged but it’s clear that I need to check in when something is too much for me or when it’s finished, anything else is wasting time.

  • Null User Object@lemmy.world
    60·
    il y a 14 jours

    Year 1: “incredibly productive”

    Year 5: “not about the work”

    I love how they freely admit that it has nothing to do with being good at your job and everything to do with schmoozing.

    Like that’s really the purpose of the company… manufacturing schmooze, so we need good schmoozers

  • mabeledo@lemmy.world
    57·
    il y a 14 jours

    Love it when they state so clearly that promotions are a byproduct of office politics, not actual work performance.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      il y a 14 jours

      This isn’t exactly news.

      But it also misses what a “promotion” means in theory (more autonomy and control, resources to pursue projects, underlings) versus what it means in practice (a token title change and a small raise with a ton of extra responsibility in an underperforming section of the firm).

      So much of how you make progress in a business is to turn lemons into lemonade and sell that lemonade to your bosses.

    • ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zipEnglish
      5·
      il y a 14 jours

      It’s trying to claim that the reason they got the promotion was they were physically in the building more than others. Because being seen is more important than doing the job

  • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
    35·
    il y a 14 jours

    I find it interesting how “the promotion” is an end in itself. No context, no details, just “the promotion”. And you didn’t get it! Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    • Birch@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      il y a 14 jours

      Of course, because promotion is the only way to get ahead, by taking on more responsibilities and managing other people, god forbid you’d get a raise just for being really good at what you do.

      • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        il y a 14 jours

        My last company had a cool pathway where you could become a “distinguished engineer” instead of a manager and get the same sort of huge salary and stock options. Unfortunately, my last company also liked to lay off huge swaths of engineers, particular those who were a year away from being eligible to become “distinguished engineers”.

    • Supercrunchy@programming.dev
      9·
      il y a 14 jours

      This “promotion as next obvious thing you want” needs to die. I don’t want to go manage people and have told my manager that I’m happy in my current role and I don’t want a promotion. He was quite happy to know he did not have to worry about that.

  • andyburke@fedia.io
    33·
    il y a 14 jours

    Ah … a participation trophy based business strategy.

    Don’t to to the office. People who think up shit like the above are there.

  • trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    31·
    il y a 14 jours

    With the comic style plagiarized here, I fully expected throwing a baby to be one of the steps…

    Artwork from cartoonist Joan Cornellà, where a woman throws a baby like she's trying to score in basketball.

  • sunsofold@lemmy.zip
    30·
    il y a 15 jours

    It’s real, but it frames it as though it’s the employees fault for not doing self-promotion rather than the manager’s fault for not keeping track of all the team members it’s his job to support.

    • VoodooAardvark@lemmy.zip
      16·
      il y a 15 jours

      100% shitty management - remote workers force managers to do more than just float around an office having hallway conversations.