“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”
DHS has acknowledged that neither of the men who have been shot in recent weeks was the target of the ICE operations that led to their deaths.
A witness reported that Guerrero shouted, “I tried to stop” after being shot by an agent while his vehicle moved forward slowly.
Is that a threat?
The murders will continue until compliance improves.
You want to hold us accountable? We’re going to murder even harder.
Now that’s what I call a bold strategy.
I know you were calling on the meme and this isn’t against you, but I have to say it’s anything BUT bold. It’s a coward’s strategy.
“More wrong and harder” is the weak way out of having a critical light shone on one’s choices. To most of us it’s no big deal, but to these guys – who know far better than we do the truth of what they are doing – it’s ego death and frightening as hell.
Is it easier to stand up and take responsibility for all the evil you have done, or to pull a bit of metal on the gun you’re holding a fraction of an inch, in order to kill an unarmed person trying desperately to go on living when you confront them with your own will and means to murder them, knowing that afterward your fellow ICE sociopaths will high-five you like it’s something to be proud of?
For those of us with working consciences, that question only gets answered one way.
For the rest, that’s a personal profile of every single serving member of ICE. They already know they’re not “defending” jack shit and that immigrants are no danger at all. If they were, ICE would not be shooting at them, because ICE goons regularly run from conflict, as Tom Homan is demonstrating right now, and as they all prove when people whip out cameras and start shouting loud enough.
These sociopaths RUN from accountability. They signed up for the opportunity to get paid to play The Most Dangerous Game all day every day, they’re glad to do it, and the ones who have any shred of conscience/humanity left in themselves are being eaten alive by it, as they should be.
And Tom Homan is upset that people who do have working consciences are calling bullshit on the whole thing. He’s so scared of real accountability that he has equated words with physical danger, lol.
That’s not bold. That’s weakness. A fucking snowflake in a skin suit who could never personally bear even a fraction of the suffering he readily metes out to others.
Now that’s what I call a bold strategy.
“Let’s see how that plays out for 'em, Cotton!”
Probably pretty well, lol. Americans have demonstrated that they are willing to put up with this shit
I keep seeing this take, but it’s hardly uniquely american though. Human societies will put up with a lot as long it means they don’t have to leave their comfort zone.
It’s why the chinese put up with their party dictatorship, they live in relative comfort. We might see more resistance coming from russian society now because they are starting to feel the consequences of the dictatorships actions.
Most Chinese people have seen their standards of living improve over their lifetimes. I doubt we can say the same for Americans.
Also after, eat your cake
Fuck Tom Homan. War on US citizens.
deleted by creator
Here’s the neat part, the murders will continue either way.
Why should anybody shut up?
Here in Chile, when one President declared war on their people, we trashed the country until his governance was all but surrendered, and we even got the chance of making a new Constitution out of it (the idiots blew it, but that’s for Season 2 of the series). He got lucky to make it out of the Presidential building in one piece (we historically don’t like it when armed conflict touches the place).
What are the so-called American citizens doing?
America definitely needs to get a sense of urgency in change, but USA is a much larger, and spread out country than Chile; and it also has the largest & most well funded intelligence agencies helping the oligarchs maintain power.
More spread out than Chile
Is the US even that long?
Yes actually. Chile is 2,653 miles long. The longest longitudinal distance in the continental US is 2,802 miles.
You have cars, yes?
I used longitudinal distance because I wasn’t 100% certain if the measurement for Chile is measuring a line between its two furthest points or just the distance between it’s northernmost and southernmost latitudes. If it’s the latter then it’s a fair comparison, and if it’s the former then Chile gets an unfair advantage but it doesn’t change the result.
Yes, places have geography. Let me know when you’re gonna riot against you government, because if you just want to talk about latitudes and other spherical circumferences all night, I’m afraid I’m already late for a towel folding urgency.
You sound like you need a geography lesson before you try to school anyone on civics.
We have many vastly different regions, so yes. The commonwealth, the South, the Midwest , the West, the Pacific Northwest, all very far apart and with different immediate concerns.
Yes. Chile is 2653 miles long/tall. The distance from San Diego to Portland (Maine) is 3100 miles. Just Alaska is 2145 miles wide when counting all the Aleutian Islands.
They do say spread out: the USA actually has a better population distribution than Chile and it’s big in two dimensions, whereas Chile is incredibly tall but also incredibly narrow (think: that goth guy).
That said, Chile is
longtall: we get from above our hemisphere’s tropic line to the friggin’ South pole.
The difference is, our police are armed more heavily than some nations military. And our military is more heavily armed than nearly every other nation combined… And that’s forgetting that we’ve allowed technocrats to install nationwide government surveillance, tracking and recording. Both online and in public places.
It’s not so easy as just “revolt”.
Um… Our people are also heavily armed and have built personas around fighting for our freedom. The real truth is people don’t want to give up their comforts.
It is absolutely easy to revolt.
yea? it’s easy? So, you’ve done it, right? You personally? Care to describe your personal experience, what you faced and how easy it was?
Lol you think I’m presenting myself as above the rest of you? Your emotionally driven, predictable response is, well, predictable.
you irl:
Lol hardly. I know who I am and what I’m about. Some butthurt people on a niche social media platform downvoting and insulting me is as meaningful as holding up a sign at a scheduled protest.
Our people are heavily armed… compared to people in other countries. They are not heavily armed compared to even the police, let alone the military. Any violent revolt would be put down in days.
Guess we’ll just do nothing!
Seems like you have a head start there.
Oh? You know me, eh? Snark only works when it’s clever by the way.
Sure, but not in any organized way.
What they have is organization. What we have is numbers.
Kind of like Russia has a numbers advantage in Ukraine.
Alright bro. You first.
Everyone wants a John Brown.
No one wants to be John Brown.
B-but … when MAGAts occasionally threaten ‘Antifa Communist Marxist Fascists’ on Twitter that they ‘won’t take their bullshit’ much longer, they inevitably pull ‘we have 220 milllion guns’ out of their arse.
That’s because they own like 40 guns themselves. At a certain point they stop being useful when you still only have two hands.
Well, with that amount of guns no one can really say you can’t share or teach (ie.: start an anti-fascism shooting school). I mean, th’all invented that Second Amendment for something, right?
Honestly? The average and median American still has I think the highest disposable income in the world even after accounting for cost of living short of places like Luxembourg. While they’re complaining, rightly, about their lot being worse compared to years past, most of them aren’t feeling a sort of financial squeeze that’s usually needed for that kind of revolutionary action yet.
The US has made a sort of deal with devil that’s still mostly paying off for the average citizen. Until the middle class specifically really feel the squeeze, and not just compared to themselves historically, I don’t see any revolutionary action happening.
Basically people have to start starving first.
And by then it’ll be too late because they are starving.
Armies, established or figurative, march on full stomachs. Even the BTS army.
This is what fascism is though. What you’re describing is being complicit in fascism.
Well, sort of. Fascism is more precisely a marriage of nationalism and a police state with a corporatocracy where one aids the other in their goals. Which you could definitely argue is what’s happening in the US, but isn’t really what my point was (and certainly shouldn’t be read as an endorsement!).
But yeah, that deal with devil is definitely a complicity. They’ve been willing to hand vast amounts of money, and rights, to the ruling class because they’re been being paid very well to do so. And I don’t see revolution happening until there’s either a critical mass of people reaching starvation levels of poverty, or the middle class sees all that wealth they traded their rights for evaporate.
Apart from those without healthcare eh?
Yeah, but crucially, the ones who are in a position to feel that need keenly enough are sick.
They often have more immediate concerns.
But that number is “only” ~25 million out of over 340 million, or about 7% give or take (double checked my numbers; slightly off, but still under 10%). And they’re likely in the worst position to do anything politically because they’re too busy surviving. There is a crisis of under insured, but most people don’t feel that pressure until it becomes a real problem, then they’re in the group that is too busy surviving to enact change. For most Americans, that disposable income number includes healthcare. There’s just a stupid amount of money in that country. And while there’s a huge gap and most goes to the top, enough goes to the middle class to keep them pacified.
I’m definitely not endorsing the US system; it’s a system of haves and have nots and embraces a wealth divide and can be pretty bleak. But most Americans just aren’t feeling as much of a financial punch as the complaints might let on.
(This isn’t to invalidate Americans who are struggling… been there, been homeless, it’s awful. But middle class America, even by European standards, is pretty ridiculously wealthy.)
The whole idea that you have no job you have no healthcare. Dreadful.
Ghettos everywhere. USA could be africa
Eh, that’s overstating it. It still is a stupidly rich country and professional working Americans tend to make more money than their European counterparts, even considering healthcare.
But yes, tying healthcare to employment comes with all sorts of problems and lets too many people not “poor enough” for Medicare to slip through the cracks. In my experience with a state Medicare system that gets good funding, the public system actually holds up quite well when looking at many of the European systems, at least here in central Europe where I live now… simply extending that to everyone would basically fix the problem. I’ve had good dental work, a fantastic pre natal and birth experience along with mending broken bones and such under a public system with no cost to me and honestly my experience was great.
Difference is in Europe we beleive society needs the lower earners and they deserve respect.
Lower earners do get pretty good care in states like California with MediCal. The problem is a) it isn’t federal, so some states they don’t invest get worse care and b) you can fall onto a band of making too much for public health care and too little for real insurance.
Nothing I’ve written should be taken as an endorsement. Medicare should be extended to all. With no means testing.
For a much more people oriented answer: I’m trying to survive. I’m trying to make sure my dad takes his medication right so he doesn’t die. I’m trying to figure out how to pay bills when the local government I work for gave everyone a 2% cost of living raise, then raised taxes 3% and gave the city manager a $26,000 raise even though he was already being paid close to $200k. The only other person I know that doesn’t think trump and all his cronies are the bees knees is elderly, has no retirement and is desperately trying to keep working despite health issues because her husband has cancer and she needs to keep working to pay his bills. Even if I made a ton of money and had help with my dad, I still wouldn’t be able to do anything because of my health, either (I am 100% that friend who would get eaten by the zombies first) I’m not young anymore, either.
I think the internet makes it seem like a lot more people hate what’s going on than there actually is. In my experience, i see a small number of crazy Trump fanatics, a small number of concerned and scared people, and then the vast majority just don’t care. At least for now. That’ll change when they started being affected. By then it’ll be too late.
To sum up: more people don’t give a shit than do. We haven’t reached the part of the poem where "Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me. "
You know what’s funny? The USA installed Pinochet !
Yeah, as well as some other guys.
From here, that doesn’t look anywhere as funny I assure you :p
Part of it is scale. The usa has several individual states that are a larger population than Chile.
Which means more of an amount of people who should be able to do something.
salió de la moneda, pero igual no salió del helicóptero… que en pez descanse…
"que en pez descanse " qué lata que nunca se me ocurrió en su momento. ¡Felicidades! :p
Qué raro ver a un chileno acá… ándate pa la casa, wn! 😁. Saludos!
A’er tú y quién más mira que te traigo a las maigo la mojojojo la calila aí vamo a ver 😁 ¡Saludos igualmente y gracias!
“Estaba ese al que le dicen el car’e puta” 🤣
Is this not a crime? Threatening to murder political opposition?
He says it with enough ambiguity to claim later that what he meant was: allow ICE to do our job or the nasty immigrants and anti-fascists will cause bloodshed. But of course it’s his people causing the bloodshed, not the people they’re attacking.
No, it’s just a crime by the letter of the law. The problem is that nobody will enforce it.
It doesn’t really matter if its a crime or not. No one is enforcing it.
“Shut up about the Nazi executions and let them execute your neighbors or we’ll shoot you sooner rather than later”
This is a threat directed at the American people. Allow ICE to torture their non white neighbors or there will be more Alex Pretti murders.
Hey Americans, your precious second amendment? It’s for shit like this.
Yep. Sure would be nice if the non-fascist party hadn’t didn’t decades convincing their supporters that guns are evil and disarming themselves.
Sure would be nice if all the “we need guns to protect our freedoms from tyranny” people hadn’t joined ICE to enforce tyranny at the first opportunity.
All of this can be true. I’m exceedingly pissed at how the vocal anti-fed 2A crowd was talking all tough, and now they’re licking the heels of the feds as those agencies literally carry out all the conspiracies we were supposed to need that 2A for.
If Tyranny == Law: Rebellion = Duty???
Something like that?
Ugh. What a bunch of cowards.
Edit: I’m not even advocating violence. Where’s all the peaceful open-carrying protests? That’d at least be a start towards a polite society.
Thugs in unmarked vans with masks would be a lot more hesitant to beat on civilians with 50 legally carried rifles in the vicinity. Jussayin.
I keep floating the idea that everyone should show up to vote while open carrying.
100%
The only way I logically see this going wrong is if some militant MAGAs show up and start trying to stoke a fight.
It’d be pretty funny though, watching FOX hosts cover such a thing. They’d start screeching, hopping, and shit-flinging while looping the same 5-second footage for a week straight if the “wrong people” were exercising those rights.
[Shaky iPhone footage of people with shouldered rifles peacefully casting ballots]
“Oh noh aw deez anteefah pwotestas wif gunz a domethik teewowisth! Pedo wapisth leedah pwz kill, dey vote rawng ;_;.”
Although, forcing the NRA to get somewhere between “Mighty uncomfortable” and “Brain bleed” having to choose between licking fascist boots vs. protecting the second amendment, would be freaking hilarious. 😂
“Shall not be infringed, dickheads.”
So long as the internal mental struggle holds them off until I can vote and leave.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
You can get one now and you should, everyone should, that much is clear now to everyone.
I have over 50 guns. Collecting firearms was a hobby for a while.
I haven’t bought one in years, but I used to get like 1 a month.
Nah. That never happened.
They simply advocated for stricter background checks and a ban on the type of firearms expressly designed to kill as many people (children) as quickly as possible.
They pushed for banning cosmetic features like carry handles and vertical grips.
They’ve spent decades preventing supressors from being removed from the NFA, causing hundreds of thousands to suffer hearing damage because they think a silencer makes a gun quiet when it really brings the volume down to jackhammer-level that won’t instantly damage a hunter’s hearing from a single shot.
They effectively stopped the progress on gun safety by creating laws in several states that mandate that once a single smart safety pistol become commercially available that all other guns be outlawed. That lead to the manufacturers refusing to develop the tech for 25 years until the laws were repealed.
California passed a law prohibiting the sale of any new model of handguns that didn’t have a microstamping technology thay doesn’t exist, resulting in companies like Taurus continuing to manufacture older guns with known safety issues because the newer, safer models were illegal for sale in California.
Some of us are quite well armed. There’s a saying: if you go far enough left, you get your guns back. There’s lots of gun clubs, all across the country, that are left wing. See Pink Pistols and the John Brown Gun Club.
I am definitely in that far left group. I have dozens of firearms of all sizes and types.
Turns out all the loud card carrying 2A enthusiasts are coward bitches who were just waiting for some fascist dick to suck.
If we’re honest, that was always painfully obvious.
No. It’s for the government to conscript citizens to murder tax cheats.
See Shay’s Rebellion and The Whisky Rebellion.
2A is for chumps.
You know what, let’s just go to the source:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
One whole sentence.
Which is why there’s an entire field of U.S. law called constitutional law, and why the Supreme Court’s primary role is to decide constitutional questions.
That also means we can infer the Constitution doesn’t specify every type of weapon people should be allowed to own. For example, it obviously doesn’t say that citizens should be able to possess intercontinental ballistic missiles.
What it does mention is “a well-regulated militia.” I think that’s the more important part of the Second Amendment, even though most people focus almost exclusively on “the right to keep and bear arms.”
A free state can, technically, maintain its own military. That context is often overlooked in modern discussions of the amendment.
I feel the same. I’ve tried that angle with gun nuts before. They focus on ‘militia’ and infer that since the founders understood ‘militia’ to mean any able-bodied (white, free, man) that would answer the call to defend the territory, that same must hold true today. They also take “well regulated” to mean ‘hunter’s safety’, ‘handgun registration’, ‘serial numbers’, and ‘hunting licenses’.
The mental gymnastics put Thomas and the other Reich members on the SC to shame. (not really)
Cool, come watch my special needs son while I go guillotining? I’ll bring my rifle.
Man I hope that monster winds up in Leavenworth, or stood up in front of a firing squad, once adults take charge of things.
Holding people ACCOUNTABLE for Murdering Americans would be POLITICAL therefore we must FORGIVE and FORGET and Hope it doesn’t Happen AS BAD next Time!
-LITERALLY The Democrats!
It was so disgusting seeing the “”““left leaning””“” news networks sit there giving softball interviews to trump, because otherwise they’d seem biased! You can’t just sit there talking about the crimes the presidential candidate is committing, that’s too partisan…???
They gotta go too
root and branch
Republicans and Democrats, coworkers. I wonder what the watercooler talk is like.
how many children do you bleed out into your bath every night?
Reach across the aisle©
Democrats make Wilhelm II seem like a strong leader. They’d rather us end up in concentration camps than hold republicans accountable
Notice the way this balances murders, on the one hand, against talking about the murders, on the other hand. As if those were comparable, as if those were two sides of the same coin.
It’s the “respect me and I’ll respect you” thing again. “Respect us (as an authority) and we’ll respect you (as humans).”
“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”
No. And. You can’t make me.
This man is a traitor to our nation.
If justice is to be restored he must be tried and executed or, at minimum, imprisoned for life.
Not that I disagree, but if we’re executing everyone thats a traitor to restore justice, we’re gonna have to build a crematorium larger than even the germans could have thought possible to handle all the corpses.
Then let the ash blot out the sun.
I don’t see the problem here.
Everything is bigger in Texas.
That is a public confession.
Turns out the bloodshed also continues if we say/do nothing about it too, so we may as well say/do something about it anyway.
