I’ve never understood the need for
fish. The shell experience is basically the same aszsh, and although it’s much more pleasant to script for, you miss out on compatibility with POSIX-compliant snippets, and besides, if you’re writing long and complicated scripts that need anything more than a handful of scalar variables you should probably be using Python (or Perl if you’re an old-school masochist).telnet
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When I installed freeBSD for the first time, I was so confused when !! didn’t work.
i am using ZSH cause Fish is not POSIX compliant,which made it annoying to run scripts without rewriting them.
#!/bin/sh
Hope this helps
how about if its not in a sh file,its common for scripts to use sh or bash instead. but am just gonna stick to ZSH anyways
Linux doesn’t generally use extensions to decide what shell to use, so it doesn’t matter if it’s an sh file or not.
If it uses bash of course you can substitute #!/bin/bash
And of course you can use whatever shell you want, just saying that POSIX-compliance is not really relevant since the script can specify what shell it needs.
The file extension doesn’t matter much on Linux. If you’ve got a shebang at the top, the shell you’re running from will invoke the correct shell according to the shebang.
In some situations, you may want to use something like
bash <your-script>, but that would only be when you’ve got a script that doesn’t have a shebang, but not having one is bad practice and you really should be using them. Fish isn’t the only non-POSIX shell you’re going to encounter on a Linux system. Python, Perl, and probably some others will be there, and using a shebang ensures no shenanigans. So whether or not you use Fish, you should always use shebangs.
The Web site for fish reads:
Finally, a command line shell for the 90s
I love them and always will.
friend brought me some seashells
I use fish because it was the default in cachyos and decided to give it a fair shake. I like the built in syntax highlighting and fancy autocomplete but I miss bash scripting and built in commands that replace standard commands can be weird sometimes. I have not tried scripting fish, to lazy to learn yet another scripting language, especially if bash is the (almost) de-facto standard.
I’ve been using it for awhile now for the same reason, and think I’m going to switch back to sh as it has too many suggestions which I read and it interrupts my thoughts and slows me down.
I like having fish as an option, but don’t think I’d ever use it as my default.
If I have a long command that uses long filenames, or I don’t remember the syntax of something, I can just type “fish” and it’ll open up a fish shell.
You can always just continue using bash scripting, with a bash shebang in your scripts, if you miss it
Get-OutOfHere
Powershell is probably simultaneously the best and worst thing Microsoft has ever created
Second best. The best was Active Directory.
Tell that to the Linux folks
I am the Linux folks.
FreeIPA is fine, and I don’t care much about the GPO aspect of Active Directory. But the standardization-by-ubiquity that made it easy for everyone to just follow along and make it so it Just Works has been a godsend.
Yes Microsoft built on the shoulders of giants but trying to make things work with OpenLDAP or the other also-ran directory services was a nightmare.
I remember powershell being extremely slow to start on my laptop and sometimes slow to catch up to my typing (and I’m a slooow typist).
tbf it was the win 8.1 days, dunno if it’s better now.
Really liked using it tho. At least it used my actual keyboard layout, unlike cmd.
It’s much better now, I put off moving from cmd until somewhere around 2015 when I was using ‘invoke-command’ constantly, over the last decade or so I’ve moved to powershell proper cmdlets… Its actually not that bad.
It’s better now
Then give nushell a go. It’s basically a modern implementation of some of the better ideas Powershell had.
What were those?
Unironically though. It takes time because it’s structurally different than python but it’s fun when you figure it out
This but unironically
It even kind of suck as a Windows-only shell…
Honestly it’s pretty good, but it’s very verbose in its commands and output.
The default settings are irritating but it takes only minor tweaks to make it tolerable (mainly fixing the tab completion)
It’s nicely consistent with its object handling.
As a windows shell it is head and shoulders above cmd.exe. I’ve thought about using it on Linux but there I like fish better.
Big oof
Thompson shell (predates Bourne)
scsh (Scheme shell) and closh (Clojure shell)
sash (stand-alone shell)
gash (Guile shell)
ash (Almquist shell)
dash (Debian Almquist shell)
eshell (Emacs shell)
Shells I couldn’t think of images for:
- bosh (from SchilyTools)
- tclsh (Tcl shell)
- ion (from Redox OS)
Thompson shell
ash, shares shared history with dash, integrated into busybox, default shell in alpine
toybox’s shell, toybox’s equivalent of busybox’s ash
tcsh, a shell often found in BSDs for interactive usage by default
I’ve got ash, and tcsh is mentioned by someone else.
See also http://kornshell.com/fun/
alias Da-boom-da-da-mmm-dum-na-ee-ma="sudo rm -rf /"(I don’t think it actually works this way in ksh but I already spent 10 minutes trying to figure out the command to get root privileges in ksh and that’s already too much time for this dumb joke.)
Works in ksh93 and mksh. Probably oksh and posh, too.
I remember making that joke on Lemmy and someone calling me immature lol.
The creator of kornshell thought it was funny http://kornshell.com/fun/
I’m immature then with you!
A.D.I.D.A.S with a Freak on a Leash
That’s what they looked like???
imo fish is the best out of the box for me, but I just use bash cause its everywhere
I just wish fish would accept standard bash syntax in addition.
Like, if you can warn me that “this is not how we set vars in fish, do this instead!” then you could also just, you know, do it.
Our last apartment had a microwave that insisted that the off/cancel button was ONLY for the microwave part and NOT the timer part, and if you tried to use it to turn off the timer, would display a message saying “push timer button to turn timer off” (or smth to that effect). I found it infuriating. I told my wife, “if they can program it to sass me, they can program it to turn the damn timer off.”
Anyway. I get it.
So you want to bash fish like some kind of sicko?
No, I’m really happy with fish in general and use its syntax. The only times are things like e.g. a coworker sending me a 3-line script and then not being able to just copy, paste, enter.
Is joke
yea but the posix sh set syntax is atrocious so not supporting it is doing you a favor
It’s Stockholm syndrome
I mean who doesn’t like putting mandatory quotes around all variables (though exceptions, like in
[[ ... ]], apply)?Or keywords like
fiandesacor worrying about $IFSfi and esac but not rof or elihw
smh my head
No od either
bash could really have improved things by giving us noitcnuf.
I support this amendment.
keywords like
fiandesacBut it’s so clever!
I just wish my local restaurant would accept burger orders in addition.
Like, if you can warn me that “this is a Chinese noodle restaurant, we don’t do burger here. Order one of these instead!” then you could also just, you know, make me a burger!
That analogy only holds if they cook the burger for you, hold it in front of you, and go “we don’t make this”, then throwing it out
No, it’d be like, when you asked them do you know what a burger is? They pointed at a picture of a burger on the wall (they put this picture on the wall because for whatever reason people kept asking them to make burgers), and told you, of course we know what a burger is, we don’t make them, now order noodles or get out!
Okay, you know what… That’s actually better than what I said. Defeat acknowledged.
(However, it still seems a bit silly to me.
name="value"will prompt you to enterset name "value", with your exact name/value prefilled. As far as I know, it really is just syntax substitution; or am I wrong here? Are there semantic differences that can’t be translated?)i think it could be a slippery slope thing. things like
name="value"are easy to parse and implement, but then what if people keep asking for a little bit more, and a little bit more again? bash’s syntax is very very complex, there will be no winners if fish has a half-assed implementation of what bash does, it’s better to not even start.
you, I like you. Let’s bang!
Yeah, that’s where this meme fails. BASH is the default and has been for decades. Most people are not Gigachad.
I’ll accept FISH as being for babies, Zsh as being for Emo types or extra nerdy people. SH being for white beards makes sense.
BASH is:
I used a macbook for work for a while with zsh in the terminal. IDK whether I qualify as emo, but I am nerdy. I only think of myself as regular nerdy, though, not extra nerdy.
Was zsh the default at the time? Or did you switch to zsh? AFAIK the new default is BASH, but it was zsh for a while.
IMO, your level of nerdiness is much higher if you change the default shell.
I had to go back and check. Apple says that the default changed from bash to zsh in Catalina (10.15). I seem to recall a message coming up on the machine about zsh. I definitely remember poking around at config files and looking at iTerm2 vs. the default terminal app at the time.
Does that make me extra nerdy? IDK. I can tell you that I was more focused on “What’s going to be comfortable to work with” vs. nerding out on shell differences.
I do miss homebrew now that I’m working on a Windows laptop.
I do miss homebrew now that I’m working on a Windows laptop.
wingetm’boyMaybe I remember wrong, but my memory is that at one point MacOS had zsh as the default and then switched to BASH, and then maybe back to zsh again. But, since Internet search is broken these days, I can’t find anything about that.
All I can really tell you is that I remember seeing a message about the new default being zsh, and that was back in 2020 or maybe 2021. So it def switched from something else to zsh, but whether it was bash -> zsh or zsh -> bash -> zsh…shrug
I’m not learning shit that can’t run on everything.
Source : I got a fistfull of salesforce certs in order to toe the line in my previous job, and I am currently looking for work.
I use bash because gentoo’s portage has a hard dependency on it so in my mind it doesn’t make much sense to install and keep yet another shell just because colors and autocompletion. If they ever get rid of the bashisms in portage I’d surely consider moving to fish, but getting rid of the bashisms in portage means that portage could be ported to the BSDs one more time and we could have Gentoo/BSD again
I think I’m using fish and it works great, I love alt+s thing and auto complete thingy.
TIL the alt+s thing
If you’re not using fish:
sudo !!Yes.
But: Bash: alias please=‘sudo $(history -p !!)’ Zsh: alias please=‘sudo $(fc -ln -1)’
Or if you are on ZSH: press escape twice. Does require OhMyZSH with sudo plugin.
Huh. Alt+s. I forgot about that. I think maybe something in my tmux config makes it not work. Not to worry, I’ve made use of fish’s abbreviations, and have other nice things, like I type tssr and space, and it types out "time sudo strat -r " for me.
Well over a decade using fish, and still finding new treats. It’s so cushy out of the box, without even trying to learn it, it’s easy to miss that there’s so much more. I only started using abbr in the past year or so.
I like it (am actually sponsoring) but I’m not sure development is still active. I hope the author finds the time and energy to work on it again it’s someone else picks it up
