That’s the issue with people like you; you see zero nuance and you refuse to participate in discussions in good faith. Any criticism of any (pseudo-)socialist group must be met with Whataboutism or other bad faith arguments.
I’m happy to concede it’s zero without looking it up; it makes no difference to either of our positions here.
It’s just a Red Herring for you to mount a soapbox to tell me and anyone who hasn’t blocked you yet how China Did Nothing Wrong and America Did Nothing Good.
That’s why people evidently keep calling you a tankie, and that’s how you and I differ so I never get called a tankie.
TL;DR: Not All Socialists Are Tankies, but All Tankies Think All Socialists Are Tankies.
I’m just telling you to fuck off in a more polite way, Mr. Nonconfrontational.
You are just inventing straw men to attack at this point, after ignoring just about everything I said (save for the parts that helped you pivot to your propaganda pitch).
You’ve done a +1 in the bucket of “Should I just block lemmy.ml?” Like 90% of the socialists I talk to from there end up being tankies and it’s exhausting, not to mention erodes my faith in socialism. As I said, nothing you’ve said here has been in good faith.
Why do you argue in bad faith? I have no idea. Maybe you’re secretly anti-socialist and want to make socialists look dumb.
soo, just to chime in, i get your whole point, and i agree with you. i’m just gonna propose another explanation why the other user behaves like a tankie:
the collapse of the sovjet union scarred many people psychologically. in its core, the sovjet union was a noble project with a bad execution, and it’s like, if you’re working for something, and can’t accept that it fails. it’s like the love of your life leaves you or sth, some people never get over it. some of these people then think that it was because of america’s constant military threats etc that made the sovjet union fail. anyways, these people then end up thinking “well, if we had more military power, then we’d have been successful”. and that drives them to become tankies.
meanwhile, the sovjet union failed for complex geopolitical reasons that had basically nothing to do with military power. so the tankies are wrong, but they’re wrong because they’re deeply hurt themselves, not because they’re inherently evil people.
I think you’ve been mainlining American propaganda for your entire life. How many illegal wars has America started in the last 50 years? What about China?
Hardly. I’m not American nor do I live in America. I will happily agree with you that America sucks, and yes I am fully aware they have illegally or unethically interfered with other countries in many ways, including starting wars, for a long time.
However, China is not some wonderful utopia you seem to be trying to paint it as. There are many problems with China too, obviously not exactly the same problems as America, but they exist, and to claim otherwise just makes you look like a CCCP shill.
How many bombs has China dropped in the last 50 years? There’s a reason so many people prefer China over America.
I never said America was free of problems.
That’s the issue with people like you; you see zero nuance and you refuse to participate in discussions in good faith. Any criticism of any (pseudo-)socialist group must be met with Whataboutism or other bad faith arguments.
Answer the question or fuck off, lol.
I’m happy to concede it’s zero without looking it up; it makes no difference to either of our positions here.
It’s just a Red Herring for you to mount a soapbox to tell me and anyone who hasn’t blocked you yet how China Did Nothing Wrong and America Did Nothing Good.
That’s why people evidently keep calling you a tankie, and that’s how you and I differ so I never get called a tankie.
TL;DR: Not All Socialists Are Tankies, but All Tankies Think All Socialists Are Tankies.
Great, you passed the first test, lol.
lol tf u talkin about lol begone
Do you think you have some kind of power over this comment section? Begone? Eat my ass, lmao. American exceptionalism is so embarrassing lmao.
I’m just telling you to fuck off in a more polite way, Mr. Nonconfrontational.
You are just inventing straw men to attack at this point, after ignoring just about everything I said (save for the parts that helped you pivot to your propaganda pitch).
You’ve done a +1 in the bucket of “Should I just block lemmy.ml?” Like 90% of the socialists I talk to from there end up being tankies and it’s exhausting, not to mention erodes my faith in socialism. As I said, nothing you’ve said here has been in good faith.
Why do you argue in bad faith? I have no idea. Maybe you’re secretly anti-socialist and want to make socialists look dumb.
soo, just to chime in, i get your whole point, and i agree with you. i’m just gonna propose another explanation why the other user behaves like a tankie:
meanwhile, the sovjet union failed for complex geopolitical reasons that had basically nothing to do with military power. so the tankies are wrong, but they’re wrong because they’re deeply hurt themselves, not because they’re inherently evil people.
That sucks, or is good. I’m not reading your drivel. Can’t wait for your country to collapse, either way.
Death to America.
(citation needed)
also, yeah, bombs are one thing, and i see your argument there.
however, what moves people is largely the economic situation. people get dissatisfied with the US today because incomes are declining for the masses.
lol
Hellooooo
No response to the pew research article? Just downvotes? Interesting.
I sure as heck don’t prefer China. America and China are both awful.
I think you’ve been drinking too much Chinese gutter oil.
I think you’ve been mainlining American propaganda for your entire life. How many illegal wars has America started in the last 50 years? What about China?
Hardly. I’m not American nor do I live in America. I will happily agree with you that America sucks, and yes I am fully aware they have illegally or unethically interfered with other countries in many ways, including starting wars, for a long time.
However, China is not some wonderful utopia you seem to be trying to paint it as. There are many problems with China too, obviously not exactly the same problems as America, but they exist, and to claim otherwise just makes you look like a CCCP shill.
Show me where I’ve done that. Should be easy for you, you’ve said it multiple times lol.