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cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/noncredibledefense/p/1490862/the-correct-response
cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/noncredibledefense/p/1490862/the-correct-response
So…
Is the US supposed to be the world police or not?
Depends on the day and personal beliefs of the person advocating for it. So, Schroedinger’s World Police. As a USian, I would prefer the EU took over the world police job. It’s not worth the effort.
That is a very short-sighted view. The US’ role as world police allowed it to station troops all over the world, projecting power and influence in every corner of the world. Every deal any country in the world made, always at least considered a US deal. The US was able to influence politics without actually having to flex the military muscle. They could always still do that if diplomacy didn’t work. The projection of scientific and cultural power was also part of that influence.
And why can’t the EU step up? The EU chose to let the US become the world police because they thought it would easier and cheaper. And now they are pissed about it.
The EU is legitimately currently trying to be the region police (not world police) as we speak. Part of that involves building up our own military industry. The US government is not happy about that, to put it mildly.
“Currently trying”. Well, that only took several generations to pull their collective heads out of their asses. Imagine what that industrial/military complex is going to eventually cost EU citizens. Once you get on that particular horse, it’s hard to get off.
They did not choose to. The EU wasn’t even a thing when the USA became the de facto world police. And after WW2 the USA was so dominant that any such attempt by Europes stronger countries would have been in vain
True, the EU didn’t exist when they first started to get comfortable with the US being the world cop. But get comfortable with it they did. Comfortable enough to cut military budgets and putting their reliance on the idea the that the US would intervene for them. Standing idly by during the formation of the Iron Curtin. It got so bad, that they proved incapable to get a handle on the Bosian War in their own back yard. It finally took the intervention of the US to give them enough spine to complete breaking up the ethnic cleansing. They had a generation to wind down the US world cop protection and did nothing.
It was never a good idea. And in the end, they have gotten what they should have known would have happened.
I mean you could replace the Stars and Stripes here with French Tricolour or Union Jack and I still think it works. The point is more that the lukewarm response to the Crimean invasion emboldened Russia into attacking mainland Ukraine.
Maybe it’s a filter of my English-speaking internet circles, but I’ve never seen memes like this about France or the UK. So you could replace the flags… The point is that it doesn’t seem to happen.
The trick is to have a US-controlled strategic interest there. See Syria, Russians attack a US-defended oilfield, Russia denies they are Russian regulars, US turn 200 of them into moist ash with artillery and JDAMs
We’re not supposed to. But in the instance of Ukraine, we signed a treaty with Ukraine, Russia and ourselves that if Ukraine dismantled their nuclear weapons that the US would defend Ukraine if Russia invaded. And Russia would defend Ukraine if US invaded.
but i guess international law is nonexistant and nobody gives a damn if a country makes a promise
This was already address in another thread. Short summary…
It’s not a treaty, but a memorandum, it really only “mandates” that we will support them in the UN security council, it’s not enforceable, and Russia already shit all over it.
This also ignores that the US has intervened aggressively, just in its usual fashion of profitable arms sales and supporting fascist militias.
The US and other countries not protecting Ukraine sends a massive signal to everyone else that you can only depend on yourself for protection, and that means everyone needs to have WMDs. So take that how you will.
So the US should be the world police.
This is pretty much the dilemma the US government faces, right? On the one hand, the public doesn’t like intervention. On the other, they can totally do it, and in many cases it will save a lot of lives, or at least seems like it will.
The new MAGA school is basically to disregard the humanity of anyone who’s not a (white) American citizen, which solves it neatly. At great cost in terms of basic morality, of course. The other one was neoconservativism, where you’re openly the world police. Theoretically, unilaterally disarming is also an option, but almost nobody is talking about that.
The Democrats, and blue Americans in general, have yet to pick a lane.